10 Facts That Clear Up Confusion Around What Exactly Is an Arab

[GetInTheTruck]

Why is black skin in the same desert terrain and why would super light brown skin exist in a place where cancer would chew it off? Make SCIENTIFIC/ANTHROPOLOGICAL SENSE.

I don't know, why you don't you try asking the light brown Arabs who are living over there in the desert today that question?

 

[Samori Toure]

All those quotes are saying is that Arabs are typically dark skinned, so what? These are two distinct peoples, they are NOT the same. There are tons of dark Arabs in the ME today who we wouldn't consider to be "black." Skin color isn't the issue here.

The quotes I posted from Said Al-Andalusi are relevant for two reasons:

1) They demonstrate that skin color is again, meaningless. Indians are described as "black." Does that mean Indians are black within the modern context?

2) He specifically calls Black Africans an inferior people. Being that he was a high ranking judge and Ummayad scholar (the same Ummayads you just finished saying were black), we can conclude that this view was typical at the time among Arabs, let alone Arab elites.

The fact of the matter is that Arabs viewed themselves as a civilizing force of the Africans, similar to Europeans. They considered Africans to be savages and Islam to be their saving grace. I hate to break it to you man but these guys did not look like James Harden. They looked like Bin Laden.

The Arabs were nomadic traders and herders that didn't civilize anybody but White people; after all it was the Arabs that gave Europeans their knowledge of navigation; mathematics; business principles; medicine; literature and accounting. The funniest part is that White people use Arabic everyday and apparently don't realize it.

http://classroom.synonym.com/arabic-numbers-were-invented-6959.html
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Now you have been making a fool out of yourself talking about how Arabs were not Black, which is just ridiculous. That is as ridiculous as the Arabs and Europeans claiming to be descended from Egyptians and Hebrews. The Yoruba people are the largest ethnic group in modern day Nigeria. Their oral traditions indicate that they migrated to Nigeria from Saudi Arabia. Fwiw, they are related to the people of Nuba.

"The Yoruba history dates back to the origin of its people. The history of the origin of the Yoruba is rather obscured, and the versions available very perplexing and usually legendary in nature. According to one tradition, the Yoruba originated from Ife: - the center of the world. Others give account of migration, usually from the east, where one version links the Yoruba with descendants of Bani Kan’an and the kindred of Nimrod. Another version says Yoruba sprung from Lamurudu, one of the kings of Mecca, whose offspring were: - Oduduwa, the ancestors of the Yoruba, the kings of Gogobiri and of the Kukawa, two tribes of Hausaland (Hodgkin, 1960)."

http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/2004/database/ayinde.html

https://books.google.com/books?id=Pqn2oJC5GXEC&pg=PT165&lpg=PT165&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=bfHVDXSgGA&sig=GqpG868ulqvCMOBl0KmWdxgO0RE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-FxbVYuKNYKVyATYv4GwBA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=ATq5_6h2AT0C&pg=RA1-PA711&lpg=RA1-PA711&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=5NN4m5QTu2&sig=CdZYVhy9Ikej27y0SswhnhaBp50&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XVtbVeGPHpKvyATZloHYDg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=yXYKAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA1322&lpg=PA1322&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=2JP6BD6qlt&sig=bYiWlu8G13qOZJb9T0-QEkEsMQ8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XVtbVeGPHpKvyATZloHYDg&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

 

[GetInTheTruck]

The Arabs were nomadic traders and herders that didn't civilize anybody but White people; after all it was the Arabs that gave Europeans their knowledge of navigation; mathematics; business principles; medicine; literature and accounting. The funniest part is that White people use Arabic everyday and apparently don't realize it.

Arabs didn't civilize anybody. Arabs got their knowledge from Indians, Persians, and Greeks. Arabs were quite literally an illiterate bunch of do-nothing's until they were unified under the Islamic banner and came into contact with more refined cultures.

Now you have been making a fool out of yourself talking about how Arabs were not Black, which is just ridiculous. That is as ridiculous as the Arabs and Europeans claiming to be descended from Egyptians and Hebrews. The Yoruba people are the largest ethnic group in modern day Nigeria. Their oral traditions indicate that they migrated to Nigeria from Saudi Arabia. Fwiw, they are related to the people of Nuba.

"The Yoruba history dates back to the origin of its people. The history of the origin of the Yoruba is rather obscured, and the versions available very perplexing and usually legendary in nature. According to one tradition, the Yoruba originated from Ife: - the center of the world. Others give account of migration, usually from the east, where one version links the Yoruba with descendants of Bani Kan’an and the kindred of Nimrod. Another version says Yoruba sprung from Lamurudu, one of the kings of Mecca, whose offspring were: - Oduduwa, the ancestors of the Yoruba, the kings of Gogobiri and of the Kukawa, two tribes of Hausaland (Hodgkin, 1960)."

http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/2004/database/ayinde.html

https://books.google.com/books?id=Pqn2oJC5GXEC&pg=PT165&lpg=PT165&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=bfHVDXSgGA&sig=GqpG868ulqvCMOBl0KmWdxgO0RE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-FxbVYuKNYKVyATYv4GwBA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=ATq5_6h2AT0C&pg=RA1-PA711&lpg=RA1-PA711&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=5NN4m5QTu2&sig=CdZYVhy9Ikej27y0SswhnhaBp50&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XVtbVeGPHpKvyATZloHYDg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=yXYKAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA1322&lpg=PA1322&dq=yoruba people are from arabia&source=bl&ots=2JP6BD6qlt&sig=bYiWlu8G13qOZJb9T0-QEkEsMQ8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XVtbVeGPHpKvyATZloHYDg&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=yoruba people are from arabia&f=false

I'm making a fool of myself but you're over here grasping at straws, quoting "legends," and insisting that the Yoruba came from Saudi Arabia?

 

[Samori Toure]

Arabs didn't civilize anybody. Arabs got their knowledge from Indians, Persians, and Greeks. Arabs were quite literally an illiterate bunch of do-nothing's until they were unified under the Islamic banner and came into contact with more refined cultures.



I'm making a fool of myself but you're over here grasping at straws, quoting "legends," and insisting that the Yoruba came from Saudi Arabia?

And where did the Persians and Greeks get theire knowledge? That's right; EGYPT. All things go right back to EGYPT and the NUBIANS.

Seriously you have made complete fool out of yourself.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

And where did the Persians and Greeks get theire knowledge? That's right; EGYPT. All things go right back to EGYPT and the NUBIANS.

Seriously you have made complete fool out of yourself.

Ancient Greece was influenced by a multitude of cultures, not just Egyptian. That doesn't make Greek accomplishments any less Greek. The Greeks were an infinitely more civilized people than the Arabs, whether you want to admit it or not.

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess

 

[Swagnificent]

Why should anybody believe you instead of Bukhari and Muslim? "White" in the sense it was used in hadiths probably meant "light brown." Either way, to believe he was black is pure fantasy.

not much of a fanstasy when most of the earliest primary source arabic documents say all pure arabs were black.

plus southern Yemen (ancestral homeland of the purest arabs) is separated by 18 miles of water from Djibouti. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_the_Horns

where people like this have always lived







the original pure arabs looked just like their east african cousins from across the red sea.

 

[Swagnificent]

Arabs didn't civilize anybody. Arabs got their knowledge from Indians, Persians, and Greeks. Arabs were quite literally an illiterate bunch of do-nothing's until they were unified under the Islamic banner and came into contact with more refined cultures.



I'm making a fool of myself but you're over here grasping at straws, quoting "legends," and insisting that the Yoruba came from Saudi Arabia?

its not that outlandish. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...reveals-just-planet-changed-14-000-years.html

14,000 years ago, sea levels were much lower all around the globe. lots of areas that are disjointed today were connected. one of them if you look closesly at this map is Saudi Arabia and East Africa. Arabia and Africa were pretty much joined together for most of human histry thus its perfectally natural to assume people were constantly moving back and forth between those areas.

14,000 years ago is obviouslly a really really long time ago, but still plausible you had black people moving back and forth between the continents.

 

[Swagnificent]

Ancient Greece was influenced by a multitude of cultures, not just Egyptian. That doesn't make Greek accomplishments any less Greek. The Greeks were an infinitely more civilized people than the Arabs, whether you want to admit it or not.

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess

interestingly thats not what the ancient greeks said. they attributed everything to the egyptians. http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes1.htm

 

[Supper]

Being that "race" is not an observable scientific phenomenon, I find it farcical when arm chair scholars try to affirm the skin complexion of long gone ancient peoples, in a thinly veiled attempt to find a superfical link with them and say African-Americans, or rather the generic "black man"(this fallacy is basically the core tenet of the "Afrocentrist" movement), when the best we can hope for is to use genetic mapping to trace their most direct modern day descendants. Which would be modern arabs for the ancient arabs of antiquity.

With that said, there are a group of very dark-skinned people in South Arabia, Yemen, called Al-Akhdam, who's origins remain unclear.

The exact origins of Al-Akhdam are uncertain. One popular account holds that they are descendants of Nilotic Sudanese people who accompanied the Abyssinian army during the latter's occupation of Yemen in the pre-Islamic period. Once the Abyssinian troops were finally expelled at the start of the Muslim era, some of the Sudanese migrants are said to have remained behind, giving birth to the Akhdam. Another theory maintains that they are of Veddoid origin.[2]

Anthropologists such as Vombruck suggest that Yemen's history and social hierarchy that developed under various regimes, including the Zaydi Imamate, created a caste-like society.[4] The Al-Akhdam formed a kind of hereditary caste at the very bottom of Yemeni social strata.[5] Intermarriage was also traditionally not practiced, as the Al-Akhdam were deemed untouchables.[2] Though their social conditions have improved somewhat in modern times, Al-Akhdam are still stereotyped by mainstream Yemeni society; they have been called lowly, dirty and immoral.[6] They also tend to work menial jobs.[3]

Studies by Al-Serouri et al. report lower education among the Al-Akhdam. Additionally, due to a poorer understanding of HIV risks, group members also have higher reported rates and risks of contracting HIV infections.[7]

Many NGOs and charitable organizations from other countries such as CARE International are reportedly working toward improving the living circumstances of the Akhdam.[8] However, Huda Sief disputes the extent of these efforts.[9]

 

[Supper]

interestingly thats not what the ancient greeks said. they attributed everything to the egyptians. http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/greek-philosophers-african-tribes1.htm

One can't deny that there's strong evidence for Ancient Egyptian influence in the high culture of ancient Greeks, but to claim it was the origins of it all is a gross overstatement. Considering the Greek alphabet is derived from the Phoenician alphabet, I'd say there's a pretty obvious Phoenician influence you're overlooking. And it's well known that Alexander the Great himself was a fanatic for Persian culture.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

One can't deny that there's strong evidence for Ancient Egyptian influence in the high culture of ancient Greeks, but to claim it was the origins of it all is a gross overstatement. Considering the Greek alphabet is derived from the Phoenician alphabet, I'd say there's a pretty obvious Phoenician influence you're overlooking. And it's well known that Alexander the Great himself was a fanatic for Persian culture.

Exactly. It's not only a gross overstatement though, it's bullshyt let's just call it what it is.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

its not that outlandish. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...reveals-just-planet-changed-14-000-years.html

14,000 years ago, sea levels were much lower all around the globe. lots of areas that are disjointed today were connected. one of them if you look closesly at this map is Saudi Arabia and East Africa. Arabia and Africa were pretty much joined together for most of human histry thus its perfectally natural to assume people were constantly moving back and forth between those areas.

14,000 years ago is obviouslly a really really long time ago, but still plausible you had black people moving back and forth between the continents.

Here we go...we were just talking about the medieval era, that didn't work very well for you so you guys bring up ancient Egypt and Nubia for no reason at all...and lo and behold here we are all the way back in the pre-neolithic. If you have to go back 14,000 years just to make an assumption-riddled hypothesis that means you lost already. On top of that, the dailymail? OK this discussion is pretty much over.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

it's all good putting out such statements as these arabs were black..indians were black etc but if you haven't left your damn shack in the united snakes of americ*nt then shut the fukk up!!!
when you do visit the those nations and live amongst these peoples whether for one month or more..you will learn more than in some books/online refs and harlem back and forth debates/arguments..

btw the majority of all the info u get from those NY ghetto scholars haven't left the damn country ..

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

I don't know, why you don't you try asking the light brown Arabs who are living over there in the desert today that question?

They get skin cancer and cover their skin with long robes...FOR PROTECTION FROM THE SUN...because they're not the original inhabitants.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

They get skin cancer and cover their skin with long robes...FOR PROTECTION FROM THE SUN...because they're not the original inhabitants.

where do you get your knowledge from?