1 Banana, 2 Banana: The Official 2019 Miami Heat Off-Season Thread

[intruder]

@Mantis Toboggan M.D.

Look at this list and tell me how it makes you feel I highlighted a few who i dont feel could hold Dion or JJ's jockstrap and those are just the ones i know.
I mean the market is set for the average player still in their primes and able to contribute when healthy. It's not like the Heat had much of a choice since they thought they would at least compete for playoffs with this roster after the streak. Sure, hindsight is 20/20 but Sometimes a team pays a player based on HIS VALUE TO THAT TEAM, not his market value. We paid Dion market Value. Think we paid JJ Team value.

This is ordered by annual salary, BTW

RK NAME TEAM SALARY
41 Jimmy Butler, SG Philadelphia 76ers $20,445,779
42 Ryan Anderson, PF Phoenix Suns $20,421,546
43 Kyrie Irving, PG Boston Celtics $20,099,189
44 Jabari Parker, PF Washington Wizards $20,000,000
45 Zach LaVine, PG Chicago Bulls $19,500,000
46 Tyler Johnson, SG Phoenix Suns $19,356,932
47 Tim Hardaway Jr., SG New York Knicks $19,200,127
48 John Wall, PG Washington Wizards $19,169,800
49 Jeff Teague, PG Minnesota Timberwolves $19,000,000
50 George Hill, PG Milwaukee Bucks $19,000,000
51 Klay Thompson, SG Golden State Warriors $18,988,725
52 Allen Crabbe, SG Brooklyn Nets $18,500,000
53 Goran Dragic, PG Miami Heat $18,109,175
54 Kent Bazemore, SG Atlanta Hawks $18,089,887
55 Evan Turner, SG Portland Trail Blazers $17,868,853
56 Draymond Green, PF Golden State Warriors $17,469,565
57 Tristan Thompson, C Cleveland Cavaliers $17,469,565
58 Evan Fournier, SG Orlando Magic $17,150,000
59 Reggie Jackson, PG Detroit Pistons $17,043,478
60 Bismack Biyombo, C Charlotte Hornets $17,000,000
61 Derrick Favors, PF Utah Jazz $16,900,000
62 Jonas Valanciunas, C Memphis Grizzlies $16,539,326
63 Gary Harris, SG Denver Nuggets $16,517,857
64 Timofey Mozgov, C Orlando Magic $16,000,000
65 Andre Iguodala, SF Golden State Warriors $16,000,000
66 Ian Mahinmi, C Washington Wizards $15,944,154
67 Dennis Schroder, PG Oklahoma City Thunder $15,500,000
68 DeMarre Carroll, SF Brooklyn Nets $15,400,000
69 Gorgui Dieng, C Minnesota Timberwolves $15,170,787
70 Trevor Ariza, SF Washington Wizards $15,000,000
71 Eric Bledsoe, PG Milwaukee Bucks $15,000,000
72 Ricky Rubio, PG Utah Jazz $14,975,000
73 Tobias Harris, SF Philadelphia 76ers $14,800,000
74 JR Smith, SG Cleveland Cavaliers $14,720,000
75 James Johnson, PF Miami Heat $14,651,700
76 Luke Babbitt, F Miami Heat $14,651,700
77 Brandon Knight, PG Houston Rockets $14,631,250
78 Robin Lopez, C Chicago Bulls $14,357,750
79 Marvin Williams, PF Charlotte Hornets $14,087,500
80 Taj Gibson, PF Minnesota Timberwolves $14,000,000
81 Thaddeus Young, PF Indiana Pacers $13,964,045
82 Clint Capela, C Houston Rockets $13,793,104
83 Marcin Gortat, C LA Clippers $13,565,218
84 Cody Zeller, C Charlotte Hornets $13,528,090
85 Eric Gordon, SG Houston Rockets $13,500,375
86 Joe Ingles, SF Utah Jazz $13,045,455
87 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF Charlotte Hornets $13,000,000
88 Khris Middleton, SF Milwaukee Bucks $13,000,000
89 Mason Plumlee, PF Denver Nuggets $12,917,808
90 Wilson Chandler, SF Philadelphia 76ers $12,800,562
91 Nikola Vucevic, C Orlando Magic $12,750,000
92 Kelly Olynyk, PF Miami Heat $12,537,527
93 Nikola Mirotic, PF Milwaukee Bucks $12,500,000
94 Jordan Clarkson, PG Cleveland Cavaliers $12,500,000
95 Miles Plumlee, C Atlanta Hawks $12,500,000
96 Tyreke Evans, G Indiana Pacers $12,400,000
97 Courtney Lee, SG New York Knicks $12,253,780
98 Solomon Hill, SF New Orleans Pelicans $12,252,928
99 JJ Redikk, SG Philadelphia 76ers $12,250,000
100 Kemba Walker, PG Charlotte Hornets $12,000,000
101 Avery Bradley, SG Memphis Grizzlies $12,000,000
102 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Los Angeles Lakers $12,000,000
103 Will Barton, SG Denver Nuggets $11,830,358
104 T.J. Warren, SF Phoenix Suns $11,750,000
105 Zach Randolph, F Dallas Mavericks $11,692,308
106 Marcus Smart, PG Boston Celtics $11,660,716
107 Patty Mills, PG San Antonio Spurs $11,571,429
108 Dion Waiters, SG Miami Heat $11,550,000
109 Alec Burks, SG Utah Jazz $11,536,515
110 John Henson, F Milwaukee Bucks $11,327,466
111 Omer Asik, C Chicago Bulls $11,286,516
112 Jusuf Nurkic, C Portland Trail Blazers $11,111,111
113 Iman Shumpert, SG Sacramento Kings $11,011,234
114 Maurice Harkless, SF Portland Trail Blazers $10,837,079
115 Tony Snell, SG Milwaukee Bucks $10,807,143
116 Meyers Leonard, PF Portland Trail Blazers $10,595,506
117 Terrence Ross, SG Orlando Magic $10,500,000
118 Bojan Bogdanovic, SF Indiana Pacers $10,500,000
119 Robert Covington, SF Philadelphia 76ers $10,464,092
120 Rudy Gay, SF San Antonio Spurs $10,087,200

 

[Sohh_lifted]

Paying Hassan was not the problem. Our coach treating him like Joel Anthony by refusing to play him, run sets for him, and blaming him for his own faults until he stopped playing hard because he doesn’t care anymore is the problem. The KO, JJ, and Waiters deals though . KO is a guy who’s skill set is valuable on any team but we paid him like a star and not a role player

I dont understand this, so we also dont remember how SOFT hassan is??? any little injury and dude was gone for weeks, but ok, we all being mad revisionist with the All Star Hassan Whiteside

He is our MAX player and I dont even remember ONE meaningful game hassan had for us (under his max contract) except maybe the triple double he had in Denver about 2 years ago.

 

[intruder]

you guys keep saying this but tanking has worked for nobody. Even the team ya'll love to prop up as the poster for tanking has advanced no further in the playoffs than we have the last 3-4 years. There's nothing wrong with continuing to develop internally and biding your time.

I can agree with this but what do you propose?

To me, we should trade everyone not names Bam, IMO but i know that's not gonna happen. I'm willing to live with Justise's and J-Rich's contracts because they arent bad deal. Everyone else can hit the road if we find takers. From there on just rebuild via draft in the meantime until we can attract Star FAs. The one veteran i wouldnt mind keeping would be either Olynyk or James Johnson but NOT BOTH.

 

[F K]

Whiteside is a teams 3rd best player at best but we paid him like a #1 because we were desperate. That made him further believe he was a #1 and started acting like he can do as he pleases and not be checked like he was a LeBron level player. Prompting Spo to reel him in. But yes we grossly overpaid Hassan.

Olynyk's contact isn't top level pay. We paid him like an average player in his prime. Believe it or not $12M is what average tier players in the league are getting in long term deals these days. Just look around the league at players making $11M to $15M per year and you'll realize you've never heard of these cats. I live in Atlanta. Look up Kent Bazemore. I'm sure you're like "who?" Well the mofo is making $17M per year with the Hawks. Plenty more scrubs like him getting paid...
We're in the wrong business,brehs

Dion and James Johnson's contracts were mistakes. I like JJ and I'm not that mad at the per year salary ($14M per) but we should not have gone more than 2 years on those contracts since we knew damn well these 2 were stop-gap players until Bustise gets his head out of his ass and is able to show he was worth the pre-draft hype and J-Rich is able to take over at the SG spot full-time

The worst part is Hassan would have been perfect on the HEATLES squads. They were crying out for a rim protector and roll man. We signed Birdman's ghost and went on a 23 game winning streak. Hassan swatting everything that moves, getting open alleyoops and dunks, Lebron Wade, Battier, and Bosh ready to cover in case he gets beat on the perimeter . Alas. what could have been....

I can agree with this but what do you propose?

To me, we should trade everyone not names Bam, IMO but i know that's not gonna happen. I'm willing to live with Justise's and J-Rich's contracts because they arent bad deal. Everyone else can hit the road if we find takers. From there on just rebuild via draft in the meantime until we can attract Star FAs. The one veteran i wouldnt mind keeping would be either Olynyk or James Johnson but NOT BOTH.

Brooklyn showed the way,be patient, stay flexible, and wait for someone to need to erase a mistake with your cap space.

 

[Sohh_lifted]

The worst part is Hassan would have been perfect on the HEATLES squads. They were crying out for a rim protector and roll man. We signed Birdman's ghost and went on a 23 game winning streak. Hassan swatting everything that moves, getting open alleyoops and dunks, Lebron Wade, Battier, and Bosh ready to cover in case he gets beat on the perimeter . Alas. what could have been....




Brooklyn showed the way,be patient, stay flexible, and wait for someone to need to erase a mistake with your cap space.

He tried out for the big 3 team, Shane Battier said he was a bum and lazy as FUKK. we all are being mad revisionist on Hassan Whiteside in his time in Miami.

 

[intruder]

Brooklyn showed the way,be patient, stay flexible, and wait for someone to need to erase a mistake with your cap space.

Problem is this time we're the ones with the mistakes. Tho Brooklyn had their own cap cloggers (KG) but it took a loooong time for them to even start the turn around

 

[Primetime21]

I can agree with this but what do you propose?

To me, we should trade everyone not names Bam, IMO but i know that's not gonna happen. I'm willing to live with Justise's and J-Rich's contracts because they arent bad deal. Everyone else can hit the road if we find takers. From there on just rebuild via draft in the meantime until we can attract Star FAs. The one veteran i wouldnt mind keeping would be either Olynyk or James Johnson but NOT BOTH.

The problematic contracts are coming to an end, just have to be patient. There’s nobody I view as a must have at #13, I’d be willing to package a contract with that to move down later in the first, or possibly a first + second

 

[OfTheCross]

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

@Mantis Toboggan M.D.

Look at this list and tell me how it makes you feel I highlighted a few who i dont feel could hold Dion or JJ's jockstrap and those are just the ones i know.
I mean the market is set for the average player still in their primes and able to contribute when healthy. It's not like the Heat had much of a choice since they thought they would at least compete for playoffs with this roster after the streak. Sure, hindsight is 20/20 but Sometimes a team pays a player based on HIS VALUE TO THAT TEAM, not his market value. We paid Dion market Value. Think we paid JJ Team value.

This is ordered by annual salary, BTW

RK NAME TEAM SALARY
41 Jimmy Butler, SG Philadelphia 76ers $20,445,779
42 Ryan Anderson, PF Phoenix Suns $20,421,546
43 Kyrie Irving, PG Boston Celtics $20,099,189
44 Jabari Parker, PF Washington Wizards $20,000,000
45 Zach LaVine, PG Chicago Bulls $19,500,000
46 Tyler Johnson, SG Phoenix Suns $19,356,932
47 Tim Hardaway Jr., SG New York Knicks $19,200,127
48 John Wall, PG Washington Wizards $19,169,800
49 Jeff Teague, PG Minnesota Timberwolves $19,000,000
50 George Hill, PG Milwaukee Bucks $19,000,000
51 Klay Thompson, SG Golden State Warriors $18,988,725
52 Allen Crabbe, SG Brooklyn Nets $18,500,000
53 Goran Dragic, PG Miami Heat $18,109,175
54 Kent Bazemore, SG Atlanta Hawks $18,089,887
55 Evan Turner, SG Portland Trail Blazers $17,868,853
56 Draymond Green, PF Golden State Warriors $17,469,565
57 Tristan Thompson, C Cleveland Cavaliers $17,469,565
58 Evan Fournier, SG Orlando Magic $17,150,000
59 Reggie Jackson, PG Detroit Pistons $17,043,478
60 Bismack Biyombo, C Charlotte Hornets $17,000,000
61 Derrick Favors, PF Utah Jazz $16,900,000
62 Jonas Valanciunas, C Memphis Grizzlies $16,539,326
63 Gary Harris, SG Denver Nuggets $16,517,857
64 Timofey Mozgov, C Orlando Magic $16,000,000
65 Andre Iguodala, SF Golden State Warriors $16,000,000
66 Ian Mahinmi, C Washington Wizards $15,944,154
67 Dennis Schroder, PG Oklahoma City Thunder $15,500,000
68 DeMarre Carroll, SF Brooklyn Nets $15,400,000
69 Gorgui Dieng, C Minnesota Timberwolves $15,170,787
70 Trevor Ariza, SF Washington Wizards $15,000,000
71 Eric Bledsoe, PG Milwaukee Bucks $15,000,000
72 Ricky Rubio, PG Utah Jazz $14,975,000
73 Tobias Harris, SF Philadelphia 76ers $14,800,000
74 JR Smith, SG Cleveland Cavaliers $14,720,000
75 James Johnson, PF Miami Heat $14,651,700
76 Luke Babbitt, F Miami Heat $14,651,700
77 Brandon Knight, PG Houston Rockets $14,631,250
78 Robin Lopez, C Chicago Bulls $14,357,750
79 Marvin Williams, PF Charlotte Hornets $14,087,500
80 Taj Gibson, PF Minnesota Timberwolves $14,000,000
81 Thaddeus Young, PF Indiana Pacers $13,964,045
82 Clint Capela, C Houston Rockets $13,793,104
83 Marcin Gortat, C LA Clippers $13,565,218
84 Cody Zeller, C Charlotte Hornets $13,528,090
85 Eric Gordon, SG Houston Rockets $13,500,375
86 Joe Ingles, SF Utah Jazz $13,045,455
87 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF Charlotte Hornets $13,000,000
88 Khris Middleton, SF Milwaukee Bucks $13,000,000
89 Mason Plumlee, PF Denver Nuggets $12,917,808
90 Wilson Chandler, SF Philadelphia 76ers $12,800,562
91 Nikola Vucevic, C Orlando Magic $12,750,000
92 Kelly Olynyk, PF Miami Heat $12,537,527
93 Nikola Mirotic, PF Milwaukee Bucks $12,500,000
94 Jordan Clarkson, PG Cleveland Cavaliers $12,500,000
95 Miles Plumlee, C Atlanta Hawks $12,500,000
96 Tyreke Evans, G Indiana Pacers $12,400,000
97 Courtney Lee, SG New York Knicks $12,253,780
98 Solomon Hill, SF New Orleans Pelicans $12,252,928
99 JJ Redikk, SG Philadelphia 76ers $12,250,000
100 Kemba Walker, PG Charlotte Hornets $12,000,000
101 Avery Bradley, SG Memphis Grizzlies $12,000,000
102 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG Los Angeles Lakers $12,000,000
103 Will Barton, SG Denver Nuggets $11,830,358
104 T.J. Warren, SF Phoenix Suns $11,750,000
105 Zach Randolph, F Dallas Mavericks $11,692,308
106 Marcus Smart, PG Boston Celtics $11,660,716
107 Patty Mills, PG San Antonio Spurs $11,571,429
108 Dion Waiters, SG Miami Heat $11,550,000
109 Alec Burks, SG Utah Jazz $11,536,515
110 John Henson, F Milwaukee Bucks $11,327,466
111 Omer Asik, C Chicago Bulls $11,286,516
112 Jusuf Nurkic, C Portland Trail Blazers $11,111,111
113 Iman Shumpert, SG Sacramento Kings $11,011,234
114 Maurice Harkless, SF Portland Trail Blazers $10,837,079
115 Tony Snell, SG Milwaukee Bucks $10,807,143
116 Meyers Leonard, PF Portland Trail Blazers $10,595,506
117 Terrence Ross, SG Orlando Magic $10,500,000
118 Bojan Bogdanovic, SF Indiana Pacers $10,500,000
119 Robert Covington, SF Philadelphia 76ers $10,464,092
120 Rudy Gay, SF San Antonio Spurs $10,087,200

As bad as his deal is, there’s definitely worse ones

 

[intruder]

The problematic contracts are coming to an end, just have to be patient. There’s nobody I view as a must have at #13, I’d be willing to package a contract with that to move down later in the first, or possibly a first + second

I agree with most of your statement but not the first sentence. From what i understand we're on the hook for Dion's, Olynyk's and Johnson's contracts for another 2 years. So that's no time soon in sports time. Barring a trade, we wont have their cap space available unto the 2021-22.

But if there is a deal to be made i'm sure Rileey will stick his nose in it somehow

As bad as his deal is, there’s definitely worse ones

Yes the salaries are crazy so that's why part of me aint mad at Riley for signing Dion Waiters for $11M per and James Johnson for $13M per. Only thing i dont like about the contracts is the amount of years (4). It should have been 2 years

 

[F K]

that might be a good move for him. Def good for us.

 

[OfTheCross]

that might be a good move for him. Def good for us.

He might ball out tho. We need him I think

 

[Da_Eggman]

He might ball out tho. We need him I think

He won’t

 

[HiphopRelated]

Get him FAR away, his next decent year will be his contract year....and I don't need Riley getting fooled again.

 

[Da_Eggman]

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