$1.6 billion reparations paid by U.S. government
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Lol, that's why I got hush hush...so thankful we have brothers out here like you actually doing something..
Thank ya jesus, hondalabosha
He knows Japanese American heirs of those who were interned received reparations as well. Hes just trolling, because he doesnt think black people deserve reparations. Reparations were awarded for the Japanese 40 years after their internment, and this fukk wants to argue that all people who received the 1.6 billion in redress could tell you with direct specificity what was "lost", individually, four decades later. Never mind that the Japanese were never asked to do such.
Jone2three45
Supporter
Why does he think we don't deserve any reparations? 
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
thanksits not my fault that a lot of people dont read and dont know that the Japanese were in camps...
1. we're not getting reparations...
2. we're not getting reparations....and -> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-issues-formal-apology-for-slavery/
now...the link shows me just how uninformed and ignorant you are
carry-on with the bytch fest...its what cats like to do on here...instead of you know.... actually doing something
Regrets Only? Native Hawaiians Insist U.S. Apology Has a Price
Lawyers typically warn clients never to apologize for anything, since a plaintiff could seize upon the remorse as an admission of liability. But what happens when governments apologize?
A century after a cabal of American sugar planters, financiers and missionaries overthrew the Kingdom of Hawaii, Congress said it was sorry. The U.S. Supreme Court soon will decide whether that apology meant anything -- from a legal standpoint, at least.
The Hawaii Supreme Court thought it did. Last year, that court cited the 1993 Apology Resolution to block the state from transferring any of the 1.2 million acres of land -- some 29% of Hawaii's total -- received from the federal government upon statehood in 1959. Those lands once belonged to the Hawaiian crown or its subjects, and were confiscated by the Americans without compensation
The resolution, which calls for "reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people," acknowledges that native Hawaiians never relinquished claims to the land. The court interpreted this to mean that Congress intended there to be an amicable settlement of the land claims, which would be impossible if the state disposed of the disputed land.
"Generally, when a joint resolution...has emerged from legislative deliberations and proceedings, it is treated as law," Hawaii Chief Justice Ronald Moon wrote for a unanimous court.
Hawaii's government appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which heard arguments last month. The state concedes that indigenous Hawaiians "have a clear moral basis" for asking the state's government for compensation, but argues that they have no legal claim to the land.
The Justice Department and 32 states filed briefs backing that position. Upholding the Hawaii Supreme Court's ruling could discourage Congress from making similar apologies for other historic wrongs (DEVIL LOGIC!!!), the Justice Department warned, adding that the Apology Resolution was only symbolic.
But Hawaii's congressional delegation is at odds with the state government, and insists the resolution is supposed to have teeth. "Federal courts have interpreted [apologies] to shape national obligations under federal law," the four lawmakers, all Democrats, said in a friend of the court brief.
In recent years, government apologies for official wrongs have proliferated. In 1988, Congress apologized to Japanese-Americans for their internment during World War II, and in 1990 approved an expression of "deep regret to the Sioux people" for the 1890 Wounded Knee Massacre. Seven states have apologized for forced sterilization of disabled, poor and minority residents in the early 20th century ( A LINK TO ARTICLE ON THE REPARATIONS PAID BY ONE OF THOSE STATES http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...wrongnctopayvictimsofforcedsterilization.html ). Five states have apologized for slavery.
But the Hawaii case might be the first where an apology resolution received legal weight, says Eric Miller, a law professor at Saint Louis University who has worked on campaigns seeking redress for African-Americans. Governments on rare occasion have paid restitution, but only through separate legislation.
Prof. Miller worries that if the Hawaii opinion stands, future apologies might be rarer still. The "process doesn't necessarily get off the ground if people are going to be punished for it," he says.
Rep. Steve Cohen (D., Tenn.) says the Bush administration raised fears of legal liability over the slavery apology he introduced into Congress. He is considering adding language stating that the apology isn't intended to affect the debate over possible slavery reparations(DEVIL LOGIC!!!!!!), a step that might be "politically necessary to pass such a resolution," he says.
While its legal impact is unclear, the 1993 Apology Resolution minces few words in describing the U.S. acquisition of Hawaii.
In 1893, American diplomat John Stevens participated in a "conspiracy to overthrow the Government of Hawaii," it states. The coup d'état was "a violation of treaties between the two nations and of international law."
The Americans eventually forced Queen Liliuokalani to abdicate and declared themselves rulers of a new Republic of Hawaii.
The indigenous population soon was swamped by settlers from the mainland. In recent decades, Hawaii has grown more sensitive to aboriginal concerns. In 1978, it created the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, an autonomous agency run by and for aboriginals' descendants.
A year after the Apology Resolution, the agency filed suit over the claims, leading to the high-court case. "The Western concept of land ownership was very foreign to Hawaiians," says Hawaiian Affairs Administrator Clyde Namuo. In traditional culture, "property is not a commodity that is bought and sold but it is used to benefit people who live and reside on the land."
white boyWhy does he think we don't deserve any reparations?
koon ....
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
H. RES. 194
In the House of Representatives, U. S.,
July 29, 2008
RESOLUTION
Apologizing for the enslavement and racial segregation of African-Americans.
Whereas millions of Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and the 13 American colonies from 1619 through 1865;
Whereas slavery in America resembled no other form of involuntary servitude known in history, as Africans were captured and sold at auction like inanimate objects or animals;
Whereas Africans forced into slavery were brutalized, humiliated, dehumanized, and subjected to the indignity of being stripped of their names and heritage;
Whereas enslaved families were torn apart after having been sold separately from one another;
Whereas the system of slavery and the visceral racism against persons of African descent upon which it depended became entrenched in the Nation’s social fabric;
Whereas slavery was not officially abolished until the passage of the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1865 after the end of the Civil War;
Whereas after emancipation from 246 years of slavery, African-Americans soon saw the fleeting political, social, and economic gains they made during Reconstruction eviscerated by virulent racism, lynchings, disenfranchisement, Black Codes, and racial segregation laws that imposed a rigid system of officially sanctioned racial segregation in virtually all areas of life;
Whereas the system of de jure racial segregation known as Jim Crow, which arose in certain parts of the Nation following the Civil War to create separate and unequal societies for whites and African-Americans, was a direct result of the racism against persons of African descent engendered by slavery;
Whereas a century after the official end of slavery in America, Federal action was required during the 1960s to eliminate the dejure and defacto system of Jim Crow throughout parts of the Nation, though its vestiges still linger to this day;
Whereas African-Americans continue to suffer from the complex interplay between slavery and Jim Crow—long after both systems were formally abolished—through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity;
Whereas the story of the enslavement and de jure segregation of African-Americans and the dehumanizing atrocities committed against them should not be purged from or minimized in the telling of American history;
Whereas on July 8, 2003, during a trip to Goree Island, Senegal, a former slave port, President George W. Bush acknowledged slavery’s continuing legacy in American life and the need to confront that legacy when he stated that slavery was . . . one of the greatest crimes of history . . . The racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation. And many of the issues that still trouble America have roots in the bitter experience of other times. But however long the journey, our destiny is set: liberty and justice for all.;
Whereas President Bill Clinton also acknowledged the deep-seated problems caused by the continuing legacy of racism against African-Americans that began with slavery when he initiated a national dialogue about race;
Whereas a genuine apology is an important and necessary first step in the process of racial reconciliation;
Whereas an apology for centuries of brutal dehumanization and injustices cannot erase the past, but confession of the wrongs committed can speed racial healing and reconciliation and help Americans confront the ghosts of their past;
Whereas the legislature of the Commonwealth of Virginia has recently taken the lead in adopting a resolution officially expressing appropriate remorse for slavery and other State legislatures have adopted or are considering similar resolutions; and
Whereas it is important for this country, which legally recognized slavery through its Constitution and its laws, to make a formal apology for slavery and for its successor, Jim Crow, so that it can move forward and seek reconciliation, justice, and harmony for all of its citizens: Now, therefore, be it
That the House of Representatives—
(1)
acknowledges that slavery is incompatible with the basic founding principles recognized in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal;
(2)
acknowledges the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow;
(3)
apologizes to African Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow; and
(4)
expresses its commitment to rectify the lingering consequences of the misdeeds committed against African Americans under slavery and Jim Crow and to stop the occurrence of human rights violations in the future.
In the House of Representatives, U. S.,
July 29, 2008
RESOLUTION
Apologizing for the enslavement and racial segregation of African-Americans.
Whereas millions of Africans and their descendants were enslaved in the United States and the 13 American colonies from 1619 through 1865;
Whereas slavery in America resembled no other form of involuntary servitude known in history, as Africans were captured and sold at auction like inanimate objects or animals;
Whereas Africans forced into slavery were brutalized, humiliated, dehumanized, and subjected to the indignity of being stripped of their names and heritage;
Whereas enslaved families were torn apart after having been sold separately from one another;
Whereas the system of slavery and the visceral racism against persons of African descent upon which it depended became entrenched in the Nation’s social fabric;
Whereas slavery was not officially abolished until the passage of the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1865 after the end of the Civil War;
Whereas after emancipation from 246 years of slavery, African-Americans soon saw the fleeting political, social, and economic gains they made during Reconstruction eviscerated by virulent racism, lynchings, disenfranchisement, Black Codes, and racial segregation laws that imposed a rigid system of officially sanctioned racial segregation in virtually all areas of life;
Whereas the system of de jure racial segregation known as Jim Crow, which arose in certain parts of the Nation following the Civil War to create separate and unequal societies for whites and African-Americans, was a direct result of the racism against persons of African descent engendered by slavery;
Whereas a century after the official end of slavery in America, Federal action was required during the 1960s to eliminate the dejure and defacto system of Jim Crow throughout parts of the Nation, though its vestiges still linger to this day;
Whereas African-Americans continue to suffer from the complex interplay between slavery and Jim Crow—long after both systems were formally abolished—through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity;
Whereas the story of the enslavement and de jure segregation of African-Americans and the dehumanizing atrocities committed against them should not be purged from or minimized in the telling of American history;
Whereas on July 8, 2003, during a trip to Goree Island, Senegal, a former slave port, President George W. Bush acknowledged slavery’s continuing legacy in American life and the need to confront that legacy when he stated that slavery was . . . one of the greatest crimes of history . . . The racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation. And many of the issues that still trouble America have roots in the bitter experience of other times. But however long the journey, our destiny is set: liberty and justice for all.;
Whereas President Bill Clinton also acknowledged the deep-seated problems caused by the continuing legacy of racism against African-Americans that began with slavery when he initiated a national dialogue about race;
Whereas a genuine apology is an important and necessary first step in the process of racial reconciliation;
Whereas an apology for centuries of brutal dehumanization and injustices cannot erase the past, but confession of the wrongs committed can speed racial healing and reconciliation and help Americans confront the ghosts of their past;
Whereas the legislature of the Commonwealth of Virginia has recently taken the lead in adopting a resolution officially expressing appropriate remorse for slavery and other State legislatures have adopted or are considering similar resolutions; and
Whereas it is important for this country, which legally recognized slavery through its Constitution and its laws, to make a formal apology for slavery and for its successor, Jim Crow, so that it can move forward and seek reconciliation, justice, and harmony for all of its citizens: Now, therefore, be it
That the House of Representatives—
(1)
acknowledges that slavery is incompatible with the basic founding principles recognized in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal;
(2)
acknowledges the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow;
(3)
apologizes to African Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow; and
(4)
expresses its commitment to rectify the lingering consequences of the misdeeds committed against African Americans under slavery and Jim Crow and to stop the occurrence of human rights violations in the future.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
filial_piety
Banned
Negative, you're simply wrong. You're debating parts within my points, because you know very well that you can't counter the argument in it's entirety. Fine, they didn't technically "sue"...but individuals were compensated based on the injustice of the CWRIC..
And just for the record, the issue of "suing" only came up because another poster referred to the Johnny Cochran law suit from more than a decade ago...I simply informed that poster that when you draw the parallel for the right to an entitlement for compensation based on the CWRIC with that of slavery...the difficulty in using that as the precedent is that JAs' are able to establish who and how they were directly connected that injustice hence why individuals were compensated, rather than ALL Japanese Americans.
I pinpointed the fact, that doing so in a law suit would prove to be extremely difficult in mimicking that maneuver given the number of hurdles and variables at play here...
You then entered the discussion and began swinging your girly arms screaming about how yo grand ma-ma in the deep south was a "victim" to segregation (i.e. Jim Crow) and the like and how they were still around...I understood that point, and my advice to you, was for them to get an attorney, outline your case and sue them for compensation.
For some odd reason or another, you began to devolve into ad hominem attacks...which tells me all that I need to know. I can clearly see that you simply fell flat on your face with this one. It is what it is...some people simply can't handle being wrong.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
that sad reality is that cowardly naysayers like yourself would get the same check as someone that actually cares and fought or was willing to fight for the cause.
"because Black people won't spend the money like white people think they should"
but the real answer is that America can't afford to even if they wanted to.
that's 97 TRILLION dollars.
our national debt is alread at 17 Trillion dollars, United States would rather round every Black person up in this entire country and genocide us before upping that bread.
Harper's magazine estimated that it could require $97 trillion to pay for the hours of uncompensated work done during the slavery era
good god imagine black people getting 97 trillion dollars overnight
someone needs to get on that
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
"because Black people won't spend the money like white people think they should"
but the real answer is that America can't afford to even if they wanted to.
that's 97 TRILLION dollars.
our national debt is alread at 17 Trillion dollars, United States would rather round every Black person up in this entire country and genocide us before upping that bread.
IRS dont give a dam about your financial situation when you owe them money.......
Apply that same "fukk you, pay me" approach when it comes to this