Zuma: Dogs are not for Africans

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european or not, in this day and age having a pet dog is some dumb shyt. any way that you cut it, its a creature you have captive in your home.

Very simplistic (and biased to a human perspective) way of looking at the relationship between humans/dogs. There's a lot of social/psychological/geographical history that goes into our relationships with them, it's much more than 'holding them captive'.

This shyt goes back thousands of years, domestic dogs are basically the result of a bunch of wolves at some point saying 'fukk it' and hanging around with people because it's easy food and protection. If you'd have said it about birds or reptiles or whatever I would understand - but dogs and cats started hanging with us because they saw the advantages. They're basically making us work to feed and maintain them while they're on some :steviej: shyt. Especially cats. Dogs used to at least hunt but in order to avoid more unneccesary animal suffering you can't really get away with that shyt in lots of places.

And finally - if you want to revert this evolution of thousands of years - what's the alternative? Taking away their status as domesticated animals means they're overpopulated - nowhere near extinction level, meaning they're up for grabs. You get into some REAL worlds of animal suffering if go into the world of hunters or factory farming.
 

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No that does not work at all... Very simple minded again and offensive. You have man made breeds that are lap dogs and have no business living anywhere else. I'm not going to argue about the ethics of why they exist but they do and that is the only way they can live. My neighbor has a guard dog that used to howl all night when left alone outside all winter in the shed... He was lonely and needed either another dog or to be inside with his human, eventually the dog stopped howling when left to sleep inside.

Also dogs are pack animals with one leader by nature and don't like living in solitude so they often accept a human "owner" as the alpha of their pack and thus are not living as captives unless they are miss treated. Have u seen a pack of strays... They don't have better lives than "captives" lol.

Comparing a black man to a dog is just outrageous. Your on the level of pita with your arrogance and ignorance. You don't make a point by insulting and degrading human suffering then trivializing it by suggesting keeping a slave human and pet dog are on same level of injustice. Needless to say that those dogs get treated better than slaves were.

Your a stupid c*nt

i was not comparing a Black man to a dog, i was comparing the mindset of a slave owner to mindset of a dog owner. it is incredibly narcissistic and egotistic to think you have the right to own another living being.

if a dog truly loved its owner it would not need to be kept on a leash, or behind a fence, or locked inside, it would be free. but it is not free, it is a captive that is in most cases treated as a vanity item that an exists at the will of its owner.
 

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i was not comparing a Black man to a dog, i was comparing the mindset of a slave owner to mindset of a dog owner. it is incredibly narcissistic and egotistic to think you have the right to own another living being.

if a dog truly loved its owner it would not need to be kept on a leash, or behind a fence, or locked inside, it would be free. but it is not free, it is a captive that is in most cases treated as a vanity item that an exists at the will of its owner.

The bold only happens in an urban setting. Rural dogs do not have leashes and are free to go where they want but they back everyday because they know where home is.
 

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i was not comparing a Black man to a dog, i was comparing the mindset of a slave owner to mindset of a dog owner. it is incredibly narcissistic and egotistic to think you have the right to own another living being.

if a dog truly loved its owner it would not need to be kept on a leash, or behind a fence, or locked inside, it would be free. but it is not free, it is a captive that is in most cases treated as a vanity item that an exists at the will of its owner.

Vincenzo broke it down very well... Basically certain animals befriend humans because it benefits them so they are not really captive... All my pets as a kid were strays I fed that kept coming back and eventually stayed because life was easier for them as pets.

The whole insert black man as slave analogy thing is tired, people use it to argue out any and every thing on here, regardless of intent it is distasteful. Let's stop comparing things to slavery please.
 

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It's kind of weird to be that close to an animal but Breh... have you ever raised a puppy? You have to some kind of psycho to tie them up and ignore them. Dogs are better than people in most cases.

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Can a dog pay bills?
 

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Vincenzo broke it down very well... Basically certain animals befriend humans because it benefits them so they are not really captive... All my pets as a kid were strays I fed that kept coming back and eventually stayed because life was easier for them as pets.

The whole insert black man as slave analogy thing is tired, people use it to argue out any and every thing on here, regardless of intent it is distasteful. Let's stop comparing things to slavery please.

i had dogs growing up, and i loved them and i believe they had affection towards me. one of them would run away, the other wouldn't. but at some point i just personally felt uncomfortable owning this creature that i loved, because i know that they do not exist in this world to be my property.

Vincenzo's breakdown only works up to a point, which Cheif touched on, a dog in a rural setting that is allowed to run freely that co-lives with people lives an entirely different existence from one that is owned and lives entirely within its owners confines, which is what i thought this thread is about.

im happy to withdraw the slave analogy since i was not comparing the experience of slavery but rather the mindset of the slave owner.
 

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i had dogs growing up, and i loved them and i believe they had affection towards me. one of them would run away, the other wouldn't. but at some point i just personally felt uncomfortable owning this creature that i loved, because i know that they do not exist in this world to be my property.

I completely agree.

Vincenzo's breakdown only works up to a point, which Cheif touched on, a dog in a rural setting that is allowed to run freely that co-lives with people lives an entirely different existence from one that is owned and lives entirely within its owners confines, which is what i thought this thread is about.

im happy to withdraw the slave analogy since i was not comparing the experience of slavery but rather the mindset of the slave owner.

You're very right that it's all relative. A dog living in an apartment complex lives a different life from one who lives in the country.

I would still argue that the social and psychological benefits for BOTH the human and the dog has it's roots in the historical 'partnership' that goes back a looong way. For some dogs it's more important to be close to humans than to be out in the field running, for instance (not to say that dogs who live inside shouldn't be taken out for a run..).

The LEASH is a tricky subject for me as an animal rights activist - but I truly believe that in most cases it's mostly for the dogs protection against human ignorance instead of a fear of the dog running away.

Dogs generally want to be with the people that they live with, but as soon as you take your dog out for a walk the rules change. Your neighbor might react very differently, especially when they have kids, to your dog coming over to sniff them or play with them. This reaction, in turn, has an effect on the dog who will become scared or excited.

What you'll end up with is the dog, always always always, being blamed for any 'accidents' that can arise from this - so while a LEASH restricts the dog's freedom from being itself, a dog. We as humans understand that it's actually in their benefit. The alternative can be MUCH worse for them, but it's not something we can explain unfortunately.

It's the same with confining them to your living space. It's not out of fear, at least in most cases, that the dog will run away - most dogs, once bonded with you, will stay or come back to you because it's in their nature. It's more out of fear that:

1. There are people out there that might hurt your dog (cars, a$$holes..)
2. Your dog might end up scaring people into doing something bad.

So again, the alternative to confining them might be worse.

You could argue that since dogs don't choose it's morally wrong to confine them, but then wouldn't the same go for kids? Kids don't like being confined either but we don't leave our doors open or teach them to use keys until they're ready for what's out there. It's in their own protection and as loving responsible beings we have to make that choice FOR them.

I get what you're saying but I think it's too simple to say we're holding them captive. Just like it's too simple to say it's "European" to live with a dog.
 

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Can a dog pay bills?

Yes. People pay money for puppies. Some people make their living selling them. Some animals act. If you run a junk yard a nice team of dogs might keep crooks out... indirect bit still worth $$. If you hunt and eat what you catch then dogs can help feed your fam. People win money fighting dogs (do not endorse). Ask the cops how much money their dogs bring in.

Another question: Would a dog run up your credit card and then neglect to pay?
 

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this guy is an dumbass....if he really cared about decolonizing africa he would kick ot all the whites in south africa(whom still disprortionately control the vast majority of the countr's wealth inspite of making up no more than 10% of the population...focusing on irrelevant issues like pet ownership like he's making some kinda strong black nationalist/militant position is a joke..i wouldn't be suprised if the kaks whom run south africa put him up to this at all
 

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So dogs that run around eating garbage and licking shyt are clean right :foh: Everybody put a clean dog in ya crib :blessed:

My dogs are those lapdog kinds, cleaner than your average toddler, infant, and daycare center. No shoes allowed in the apartment, they get babywiped after their 2 a day walks. No history of worms, they dont get on furniture and they both went through obedience school.

an idiot response tho

Which was the point, to show how ludicrous his kitchen excuse was.
 

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My dogs are those lapdog kinds, cleaner than your average toddler, infant, and daycare center. No shoes allowed in the apartment, they get babywiped after their 2 a day walks. No history of worms, they dont get on furniture and they both went through obedience school.



Which was the point, to show how ludicrous his kitchen excuse was.

:duck: Cuz babies can give you ringworm, staph infection, lyme disease, leptospirosis, hookworms, scabies right? :mindblown:

Does your dog lick your face? :leostare:
 

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:duck: Cuz babies can give you ringworm, staph infection, lyme disease, leptospirosis, hookworms, scabies right? :mindblown:

Does your dog lick your face? :leostare:

Sure they can, go to Bangladesh. You cant put your baby on a worm/tick preventative pill once a month like I do my dogs.

Didnt I tell you my dogs are trained? Im no cac, they dont lick any part of me like I dont lick any part of them.
 

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Sure they can, go to Bangladesh. You cant put your baby on a worm/tick preventative pill once a month like I do my dogs.

Didnt I tell you my dogs are trained? Im no cac, they dont lick any part of me like I dont lick any part of them.

:duck: So you dont pick up your dog?
 
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