Zuckerberg gave New Jersey $100MM to fix Newark's schools, and it looks like it was a was a waste

[Mr. Somebody]

its a war and you want to enforce un code of conflicts. Let me rape your wife, shoot your kids, and tell you to maintain your mortgage and pay your credit card bills.

I see, so its hopeless until the issue of racism is fixed.

 

[theworldismine13]

I see, so its hopeless until the issue of racism is fixed.

no its not, the issue is hopeless until black people confront the anti academic parts of african american culture, white people can continue to be racist or not be racist, it wouldnt change the situation

 

[MeachTheMonster]

How about this, why doesnt some one who believes we should invest more $$$ in education explain how money will fix the problem?

Well actually having books, computers, extracurricular activities and highly trained teachers could do nothing but help right?

Not saying having them will magically fix all the problems, but not having them has to have an effect on the students success right? Especially when we are comparing their success to students that have those resources

 

[Mr. Somebody]

no its not, the issue is hopeless until black people confront the anti academic parts of african american culture, white people can continue to be racist or not be racist, it wouldnt change the situation

Well thats an obvious solution but how does one ignite concern in these areas when obviously there are individuals with more resources to promote the opposite in these same people.

 

[DEAD7]

Well actually having
1-books,
2-computers,
3-extracurricular activities and
4-highly trained teachers could do nothing but help right?

1- books are a racket IMHO we need to look into alternatives... cheaper alternatives.

2-
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/do-computers-in-the-classroom-boost-academic-achievement

Although politicians may be quick to call for government subsidies to increase the number of computers in the classroom, previous research on the effectiveness of computers in improving academic achievement has been inconclusive at best.7 In other words, it is not clear that spending more tax dollars on computers will boost test scores.

To help fill this gap in the research, the author used data from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) to determine whether the use of computers in the classroom has direct and positive effects on academic achievement. The analysis showed that:

• Students who use computers in the classroom at least once each week do not perform better on the NAEP reading test than do those who use computers less than once a week.

3-
4- I actually believe we have great teachers, and the system fails them, just as much as it does the students. I'm not in the field though, so I could be wrong

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1- books are a racket IMHO we need to look into alternatives... cheaper alternatives.

2-
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2000/06/do-computers-in-the-classroom-boost-academic-achievement

3-
4- I actually believe we have great teachers, and the system fails them, just as much as it does the students. I'm not in the field though, so I could be wrong

So if we took a successful school and ripped out all the books, computers, and extracurricular activities, then paid the teachers less. Do you think that would have no inverse effect on the success of the students?

 

[theworldismine13]

Well actually having books, computers, extracurricular activities and highly trained teachers could do nothing but help right?

Not saying having them will magically fix all the problems, but not having them has to have an effect on the students success right? Especially when we are comparing their success to students that have those resources

Those things help for sure, but you have to be clear HOW they help, money and resources have a multiplier effect, they just multiply the efforts of the school

But if you don't address the fundemantal problem which is that the students are coming from an anti academic culture or environment that has no structure, the money is irrelevant, in fact the money makes things worse because it multiplies bad efforts and strategies and an ineffective or inefficient bureaucracy

I'm all for more money for schools as long as the bureaucracy is being reformed and culture is being addressed

But the notion of money being the key is absurd, there is no evidence to support that, according to the article newark spends more per pupil than other parts of jersey and the same is true of other cities, per pupil spending is high

 

[Blackgate]

This is honestly a huge embarrassment. Here Mark Zuckerburg thought he was doing a good deed for the black community. Turns out what they say about black people is true. We are predisposed to being uncivilized.

this is a good example of why black people have it so rough...the entire planet is perpetually at odds with black people and it is because black people have acquired a bad brand due to comments like that one up there.,.this issue should be [and was being] discussed in a manner that doesnt focus on race...people like you can not be trusted in an honest dialogue of this type because of your unshakable [false] belief that black people are 'inherently corrupt'...you diminish the involvement of white people [zuckerberg and christie] to mere spectators when they are equally culpable for the poor outcome...

 

[DEAD7]

The problems are systemic.

They are not due to any lack of resources.

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News

The United States spent more than $11,000 per elementary student in 2010 and more than $12,000 per high school student. When researchers factored in the cost for programs after high school education such as college or vocational training, the United States spent $15,171 on each young person in the system — more than any other nation covered in the report.



That sum inched past some developed countries and far surpassed others. Switzerland's total spending per student was $14,922 while Mexico averaged $2,993 in 2010. The average OECD nation spent $9,313 per young person.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

And @DEAD7 what the hell is a book alternative? Wouldn't you need a computer for that?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The problems are systemic.

They are not due to any lack of resources.

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News

Where are those funds going? It certainly isn't the inner city schools that need them.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Those things help for sure, but you have to be clear HOW they help, money and resources have a multiplier effect, they just multiply the efforts of the school

But if you don't address the fundemantal problem which is that the students are coming from an anti academic culture or environment that has no structure, the money is irrelevant, in fact the money makes things worse because it multiplies bad efforts and strategies and an ineffective or inefficient bureaucracy

I'm all for more money for schools as long as the bureaucracy is being reformed and culture is being addressed

But the notion of money being the key is absurd, there is no evidence to support that, according to the article newark spends more per pupil than other parts of jersey and the same is true of other cities, per pupil spending is high

Yup culture, culture, blah blah blah.

It was also "black culture" that justified slavey and Jim Crow laws

Miss me with that crap

We are here talking about what could/should be done on a government level. You can't govern peoples households, but you can put people/programs in schools to help students deal with their problems at home.

 

[DEAD7]

So if we took a successful school and ripped out all the books, computers, and extracurricular activities, then paid the teachers less. Do you think that would have no inverse effect on the success of the students?

Depends on what we replaced them with.

 

[Blackgate]

no its not, the issue is hopeless until black people confront the anti academic parts of african american culture, white people can continue to be racist or not be racist, it wouldnt change the situation

white racism is just as dangerous [if not more dangerous] to the education of black kids as this anti academic black culture you believe in...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Depends on what we replaced them with.

Nothing