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Zion Williamson Bust Watch
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He is but until he has a legitimate stretch 5 he has to improve his 3pt/mid shooting .
Thankfully from everything I’ve seen he is willing to not only shoot but put the work in.
I think he can def develop an outside shot too. His touch around the basket and some of his floaters and hook shots are so crazy it'd just be a matter of confidence and practice with him developing an outside shot. The issue is he's so athletic and so good around the basket he doesn't even feel the need to shoot anywhere else and right now he's proving himself right.
The big issue is always the defense. How you score 32 points on 14-19 shooting yet are a -8 on the night? Jazz forwards hit 12 threes and some of that was on Zion.
If it were one game it could be a fluke, but I feel you see this most of the nights he plays. So far this season in the 11 games he played the team is a total of -15 with Zion on the court and +8 with Zion off the court. And the same shyt would happen last year. How you average 23 and 8 on 58% shooting but the team does better when you're on the bench? It ain't a small sample size either cause he spends 1/3 of each game on the bench. He needs to improve his defense a LOT.
If it were one game it could be a fluke, but I feel you see this most of the nights he plays. So far this season in the 11 games he played the team is a total of -15 with Zion on the court and +8 with Zion off the court. And the same shyt would happen last year. How you average 23 and 8 on 58% shooting but the team does better when you're on the bench? It ain't a small sample size either cause he spends 1/3 of each game on the bench. He needs to improve his defense a LOT.
Lonzo was the highest +/- on the whole team at +5... yet he only scored 7 in 25 minutes on 25% shooting. Luc Mbah A Moute has the highest single game +/- all time, not Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, etc... a role player. There isn't a more meaningless stat without context. The same shyt didn't happen last year btw like you tried to claim; our starting lineup last season with Zion was 2nd in the whole league in net rating. Bu were we the 2nd best team in the league last season? No, of fukkin course not, not even close... now you see why +/- and net rating are bullshyt??
And if you actually watched the games instead of box scores you'd realize half the time Zion is "lost" on defense like y'all are always so quick to try and point out is because our dumbass guards either cheat off or get blown by their man and blow their rotations while not audible-ing 9 outta 10 possessions on defense, leaving him in an impossible catch 22 with regards to helping/flaring out to the 3pt line or actually sticking to his man and attempting to playing the coverage the coach is telling him to.
This play case in point. He's kind of in no man's land. He actually closed out on the right player in Conley because that would have been the much easier pass for Mitchell to make. Mitchell just makes a crazy ass pass to Bogdanovic. But a play like this makes Zion look like he's a horrible defender when the defense is a total team breakdown form jump. Ingram gets blown by which forces Bledsoe to stay in the paint and defend Mitchell's drive leaving either Conley or Bog wide open. Dude you quoted mentioned the Jazz forward hitting 12 threes well this was one of them. Is it Zion's fault though?Lonzo was the highest +/- on the whole team at +5... yet he only scored 7 in 25 minutes on 25% shooting. Luc Mbah A Moute has the highest single game +/- all time, not Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, etc... a role player. There isn't a more meaningless stat without context. The same shyt didn't happen last year btw like you tried to claim; our starting lineup last season with Zion was 2nd in the whole league in net rating. Bu were we the 2nd best team in the league last season? No, of fukkin course not, not even close... now you see why +/- and net rating are bullshyt??
And if you actually watched the games instead of box scores you'd realize half the time Zion is "lost" on defense like y'all are always so quick to try and point out is because our dumbass guards either cheat off or get blown by their man and blow their rotations while not audible-ing 9 outta 10 possessions on defense, leaving him in an impossible catch 22 with regards to helping/flaring out to the 3pt line or actually sticking to his man and attempting to playing the coverage the coach is telling him to.
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All started cause Ingram got completely cooked and blown by by Mitchell while Bledsoe (who I assume is the guy who is supposed to be picking him up every possession) is just sitting in the paint like he's a rim protector
He's even staring at Bogdonavic wide open on the perimeter the whole time yet doesn't move a muscle or say a word, which obviously means Jax (who's rightly sticking with his man Gobert) ain't got a shot at closing out on him till it's too late. Both the "veterans" complete fukkups make Jax and Zion look helpless and lost... when in reality they didn't do anything wrong 
He maybe just 20, but nikka got a nice old school game. he just too beefy to and he lacks the length, so i doubt he will ever be an elite defender. he can improve on being smarter and conditioning, but this body type just ain't gonna be a beast on D.
and i like the fact that he ain't look to shoot yet. it will come. he needs his john stockton, not some trash ass lonzo. we got ourselves modern day more explosive version of karl malone once he develops the J. i
and i like the fact that he ain't look to shoot yet. it will come. he needs his john stockton, not some trash ass lonzo. we got ourselves modern day more explosive version of karl malone once he develops the J. i
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You just did exactly what I said - taking one random game can be a fluke. When it's a regular pattern it is different.
So far this year the only guy in the Pelicans top-8 with a worse +/- is JJ Reddikk, and he's missing everything he shoots and getting killed on defense. And I'm not saying that the Pelicans are terrible with Zion on the court, they're only slightly worse. But why are the worse at all when he's getting buckets so easily? That's the part that is crazy to me. Sometimes +/- can be gamed because you're always with the same players, so a weak supporting cast brings you down. But that's not true with the Pelicans, Zion if anything gets to play with the best lineups on the team. So why is their performance so weak?
Zion runs the score up against really shytty teams. Last year he was +25 in a game against the Grizzlies, +20 in a game against the Warriors, +21 in a game against the Cavs, and +20 in a game against the Timberwolves. Those were four of the worst teams in the entire league and they were all basically playing for the lottery at that point in the season. Take away those four games and the Pelicans were -25 when he was on the court despite really gaudy offensive numbers. I don't think they're worse with Zion on the court, but it doesn't seem like his impact is as big as his scoring numbers make it look because he keeps giving it back.
And it got worse as the season went on. Here are the last 10 games of the year.
Lakers: Zion goes 12-16 for 35 points, but team is -10 with him on the court and +2 without him
Timberwolves: Zion goes 10-19 for 21 points, team is 0 with him on the court and -5 without him
Mavs: Zion goes 9-18 for 21 points, team is +1 with him on the court and -5 without him
Heat: Zion goes 7-9 for 17 points, team is +1 with him on the court and -6 without him
Timberwolves: Zion goes 9-16 for 23 points, team is +20 with him on the court and -7 without him
Jazz: Zion goes 6-8 for 13 points, team is -16 with him on the court and +14 without him
Clippers: Zion goes 3-7 for 7 points, team is -17 with him on the court and -6 without him
Grizzlies: Zion goes 9-21 for 23 points, team is +8 with him on the court and +2 without him
Kings: Zion goes 10-12 for 21 points, team is -12 with him on the court and -3 without him
Spurs: Zion goes 10-20 for 25 points, team is -21 with him on the court and +12 without him
The only time in the final 10 games that the team really outscored opponents with Zion on the court was against those awful Timberwolves and Grizzlies teams. In the other 8 games the Pelicans were a combined -74 with Zion on the court but +3 with Zion off the court.
If you think Zion is playing well on defense that's your prerogative, but even you're suggesting that half the time he's out of position it's the team's fault and half the time it's his own damn fault.And if you actually watched the games instead of box scores you'd realize half the time Zion is "lost" on defense like y'all are always so quick to try and point out is because our dumbass guards either cheat off or get blown by their man and blow their rotations while not audible-ing 9 outta 10 possessions on defense, leaving him in an impossible catch 22 with regards to helping/flaring out to the 3pt line or actually sticking to his man and attempting to playing the coverage the coach is telling him to.
His help side defense will get there. That's one of the hardest things to get adjusted to when you get into the league.
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Won’t get anywhere near Karl’s jumper
This is a boy in a grown man body breh. It will take 4-5 years minimum to develop a jumper. Either he becomes modern day Karl Malone or Blake griffin. It's entirely upto him.
Yeah it’s not like he’s Ben Simmons, he’s not scared to shoot outside but he legit don’t have to with his insane strength, explosiveness, and touch around the rim. He also hella efficient.
Everybody should be talking about David Griffin and him not putting any shooters around BI and Zion. That’s the problem, he ain’t got Lebron to help him do his job for him no more
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