ZION DUKE DEBUT 29 POINTS 13 REBOUNDS

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Yall just assuming shyt though. He's very coordinated for his size and has excellent body control. What about him or his game make you think his size is a serious concern?. I could see if dude played reckless like Westbrook or exerted too much force in his cuts like a prime d-rose. But dude seems graceful in his movements
the assumption is that he is the anomaly, not that he isn't.

its not about his game, its about that frame by itself being crazy and the athleticism on top of that is even more difficult for a body to sustain

he's an awesome prospect no question but I'd hesitate to say that he's once in a lifetime. these frames aren't all that unique either. you'll see it in football much more often than basketball though.... you see comparisons to kemp and barkley but there's a lot of mario williams/julius peppers going on too. the biggest difference in the nuances is the way your body develops in one sport compared to the other. outside of the hits, football is WAY more friendly to the body than basketball's high impact/high torque style of play
 

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the assumption is that he is the anomaly, not that he isn't.

its not about his game, its about that frame by itself being crazy and the athleticism on top of that is even more difficult for a body to sustain

he's an awesome prospect no question but I'd hesitate to say that he's once in a lifetime. these frames aren't all that unique either. you'll see it in football much more often than basketball though.... you see comparisons to kemp and barkley but there's a lot of mario williams/julius peppers going on too. the biggest difference in the nuances is the way your body develops in one sport compared to the other. outside of the hits, football is WAY more friendly to the body than basketball's high impact/high torque style of play
guaranteed his wheels are constantly inflamed

it's not hate

it's biology

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nikkas tried to argue with me all last night trying to wish injury on the dude talking about all he does is bully ball...

I don’t like his weight either, I don’t like him falling as much, but this kid has been playing above the rim for years. On top of that, he has more finesse to his game than anything else. nikkas trying to predict injuries that have NEVER been there.
Yall just assuming shyt though. He's very coordinated for his size and has excellent body control. What about him or his game make you think his size is a serious concern?. I could see if dude played reckless like Westbrook or exerted too much force in his cuts like a prime d-rose. But dude seems graceful in his movements

Class of 2018 five-star prospect Zion Williamson has spent most of the last two months resting a bruised knee that he suffered at the Adidas Gauntlet in April.

On Saturday morning, Williamson took the court for the first time since that tournament, sporting an athletic brace on the affected knee.

UNC Recruiting: Zion Williamson’s emphatic return from injury
According to USA Today, the Spartanburg Day standout is expected to be out until January as he recovers from a foot injury. Williamson suffered the injury with 1:47 left against Hammond on Nov. 21 when he landed awkwardly.

After the game, SDS coach Lee Sartor said it didn’t appear to be serious but Williamson hasn’t played since and was in a walking boot for a while.

Report: Zion Williamson to miss more time with injury
 

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Not totally, but the way he varies his speed and directions driving thru the paint does. Nothing to do with the left hand really

RJ throws up a lot of junk. When he makes his moves to the basket, he almost always end up running into someone. His strength is his most underrated aspect to his game. He's very strong and is able to get his shot up regardless of who's in his way.
 

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It's hard for him to really get slimmer when he's still probably growing a bit. Barkley was fully grown when he got in the league. A lot of 1 and dones bodies are still developing to a degree while being NBA players.
 
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All that wear and tear at his weight will catch up to him eventually if he doesn't cut down. It will be inevitable.

It's sad that nikkas are tryna talk injuries on lil bruh.

Yall acting like this nikka just fat. This nikka is cut! This dude is a Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Jordan, LeBron type of athlete. The same rules don't apply to him.

Clown ass nikkas talkin about injuries and bully ball when Zion dropped

- 28 pts in 22 minutes
- on Kentucky of all teams
-in his very first college game


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It's less "doom and gloom" and more being realistic. There's a reason why all big men in the league have been cutting down over recent years to keep in tune with the pace and space game. Of course, no body type is immune to injury, but all the actions that are frequent in today's game, and the injury risk they carry are compounded by the weight you carry, especially when knee injuries are more prevalent than ever, and that joint/ligaments bear the majority of your body's weight. Since "coli doctors" don't know what they're talking about, perhaps you'll find advice from NBA trainers/coaches more palatable:

"Mahinmi was given the all-clear to slim down in July, but started with lighter weights to take it easy on his knees. Losing weight also reduced the extra physical stress on his ligaments and joints when he ran, jumped, or landed.

“Someone like Nurkic—if he stays at a good weight, and he’s not fluctuating, he could add four, five years to his career,” Barto says. “He’s already had one injury,” he says, referring to the Blazers center’s broken right leg last March, “and the more weight you hold, the more you're banging your joints, and the more injury prone you're going to be.”

Players are now looking for ways to help them last—not just over the long haul of their career but over the course of a grueling 82-game season.
On Zion -

Finally, we touched base with an NBA assistant coach, who spoke off the record because he is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

"If you're playing 82 games at that weight, running up and down the floor, that's bad for his joints and it'll take a toll on him. I think he's going to struggle with a lot of things. If it were me, I wouldn't play over 260-to-265 pounds if I was 6-foot-7. In today's game, with every team getting out in transition, with more possessions than ever before, it's concerning if a guy is carrying that much weight.""
Never caught up to Barkley though and he was fat not muscle

The game is different today - more running/covering distance, more jumping and moving at weird angles, more stress on your joints/ligaments etc. Not to mention, Zion is a lot more reckless with his body than Chuck ever was.

And yes, Chuck did battle with multiple lower body injuries throughout his career - I mean shyt, his career ended because he ruptured a tendon in his knee.



He hasn't even officially started his NBA career, and yet here we are.

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All that wear and tear at his weight will catch up to him eventually if he doesn't cut down. It will be inevitable.

It's sad that nikkas are tryna talk injuries on lil bruh.

Yall acting like this nikka just fat. This nikka is cut! This dude is a Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Jordan, LeBron type of athlete. The same rules don't apply to him.

Clown ass nikkas talkin about injuries and bully ball when Zion dropped

- 28 pts in 22 minutes
- on Kentucky of all teams
-in his very first college game


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its hilarious they only way they woudl know if they are specifically injury prone is if they did a full in and out examination of said player.
look at brons size *pause* he has yet to have a muscular/ligament injury. some peopel got it some people dont. and ultimately it comes down to how these players are taking care of them self outside of the 48 minutes. bron said he spends millions a year taking care of himself. and im sure duke has the facilities to take care of him until he gets to the league.

frmo the espn+ docuseries so far Zion seems like he has his head on right and is focused on himself and his craft so wait and see

yall are strange trying to talk injury onto these KIDS!
It's less "doom and gloom" and more being realistic. There's a reason why all big men in the league have been cutting down over recent years to keep in tune with the pace and space game. Of course, no body type is immune to injury, but all the actions that are frequent in today's game, and the injury risk they carry are compounded by the weight you carry, especially when knee injuries are more prevalent than ever, and that joint/ligaments bear the majority of your body's weight. Since "coli doctors" don't know what they're talking about, perhaps you'll find advice from NBA trainers/coaches more palatable:

"Mahinmi was given the all-clear to slim down in July, but started with lighter weights to take it easy on his knees. Losing weight also reduced the extra physical stress on his ligaments and joints when he ran, jumped, or landed.

“Someone like Nurkic—if he stays at a good weight, and he’s not fluctuating, he could add four, five years to his career,” Barto says. “He’s already had one injury,” he says, referring to the Blazers center’s broken right leg last March, “and the more weight you hold, the more you're banging your joints, and the more injury prone you're going to be.”

Players are now looking for ways to help them last—not just over the long haul of their career but over the course of a grueling 82-game season.
On Zion -

Finally, we touched base with an NBA assistant coach, who spoke off the record because he is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

"If you're playing 82 games at that weight, running up and down the floor, that's bad for his joints and it'll take a toll on him. I think he's going to struggle with a lot of things. If it were me, I wouldn't play over 260-to-265 pounds if I was 6-foot-7. In today's game, with every team getting out in transition, with more possessions than ever before, it's concerning if a guy is carrying that much weight.""
Never caught up to Barkley though and he was fat not muscle

The game is different today - more running/covering distance, more jumping and moving at weird angles, more stress on your joints/ligaments etc. Not to mention, Zion is a lot more reckless with his body than Chuck ever was.

And yes, Chuck did battle with multiple lower body injuries throughout his career - I mean shyt, his career ended because he ruptured a tendon in his knee.


He hasn't even officially started his NBA career, and yet here we are.

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ive known for years most you coli nikkas were doom and gloom negative a$$holes...but this is low for even this crowd....

how about instead of pointing out everything that can possibly go wrong with dude....how about talking about what could go right?

ive watched basketball longer than some of you have been alive...and i have never seen a player as unique as this guy....the closest thing i can think of is lebron....

but he's bigger than lebron as almost as quick and as and fast...jumps like jordan....plays like barkley with a jumper....and dunks like kemp...shyt is incredible....

im sitting in here in awe....

and you nikkas are saying he'll get injured :stopitslime:
Well, this post didn't age well. This is what happens when you try to shyt on nikkas who're living in reality, all the way from your fantasy land.

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Well, this post didn't age well. This is what happens when you try to shyt on nikkas who're living in reality, all the way from your fantasy land.

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Man shut yo bytch ass up.

You said he would struggle to score cause his height and length, said NBA players would give him trouble cause Mitchell fukkin Robinson blocked 2 shots. You said he needed a jumper cause he'd struggle against grown men in the paint.


Stop picking and choosing shyt to make yourself look right. You hoed yourself with your trash ass opinion and still look dumb as fukk to everybody. We know what the fukk u said hoe ass nikka
 
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Man shut yo bytch ass up.

You said he would struggle to score cause his height and length, said NBA players would give him trouble cause Mitchell fukkin Robinson blocked 2 shots. You said he needed a jumper cause he'd struggle against grown men in the paint.


Stop picking and choosing shyt to make yourself look right. You hoed yourself with your trash ass opinion and still look dumb as fukk to everybody. We know what the fukk u said hoe ass nikka
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You're a remedial ass muh'fukka who has a complete inability to use any sort of critical thinking. If you had bothered to read my argument, carefully, in its entirety, you wouldn't have made a fool outta yourself in the first place. If you stopped with the dikkriding for just one minute you'd see that all this shyt is connected.

The posts I made in this thread were the initial statements I made on his NBA projection.

All that wear and tear at his weight will catch up to him eventually if he doesn't cut down. It will be inevitable.
For starters, he's NOT going to last long in the league if he stays at 285lbs (I highly doubt his trainers/prep team will let him enter his rookie season at that weight), so he's not going to have that same size advantage at the next level, like he does now. Second of all, his strength/athleticism won't mean shyt if he doesn't have the height/wingspan to finish over longer, smarter and experienced defenders. Tweeners with strength/athleticism as their main attributes have limited ceilings in the league. His success will be predicated on him developing an outside game, because he's not going to dominate at the NBA level with his current style of play.

You. Lose. Forever.

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