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The Black political experience in a nutshell.
So little policy..
The Black political experience in a nutshell.
Yvette Carnell & Jesse Lee Peterson are astroturfed by the same white supremacist sugar daddy
- Thread starter Dusty Bake Activate
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This shyt is so weird.
I've said repeatedly that my ONLY issue with #ADOS is them shytting on others. They seem to spend so much energy shytting on black immigrants, brown immigrants, the African diaspora across the the world, on this board at least they'll even shyt on you even if just one of your parents isn't #ADOS (and refer to you by that identity instead of by your ADOS identity). I grew up under mentors who taught that the African diaspora needed to be unified and that anyone who opposed White Supremacy needed to be working together.
Now the hot shyt is, "Hey, why don't we team up with White Supremacists to defeat the Black and Brown immigrants!"
One of the loudest fools on this board has repeatedly said that Trump is the only, last, and best hope for getting reparations. How could you POSSIBLY say such bullshyt and not be an agent or at least have your mind captured by them?
Wait, you think these White Supremacists need Black people to walk in and direct them on immigration?
'You see here, Mr. NeoNazi, we're considered that maybe your racism is slipping a bit and want to make sure that you're still fully committed to your anti-Brown and anti-Black policies. You are? Okay, good. Maybe we should park ourselves here though in an alliance to ensure that our mutual interests continue to prosper."
What the fukk do you think the White Supremacists would do without Yvette? Slip up and start liking immigrants?
They get TONS of cover by putting up these Black folk because they can say, "Look, our position isn't racist, look at the tokens we have!" They were EXPLICITLY using that shyt to push fukking JEFF SESSIONS into the Attorney General's office. But what the fukk does the Black community gain by joining White Supremacist orgs?
Y'all got to explain that one to me.
No, I don't think that. Yvette does and probably other black people in those spaces do. Moreover, you have to remember to PFIR claims to be/is outwardly "progressive". Some of what they post makes sense and echoes what progressives like Bernie were saying not to long ago
"Progressives for Immigration Reform exists to protect American workers from unemployment and wage suppression caused by unfair labor and trade practices, including importation of large numbers of foreign workers who are subject to exploitation by foreign and domestic corporations working in the United States. At the same time, it seeks to enhance the working conditions of working people worldwide through enhancing economic, health, social, and environmental conditions in the developing countries worldwide."
but the environmental crap (greenwashing) is a dead giveaway and makes me believe most of the splc accusations are true, still their mission statement is not outwardly right wing or a bad one. Not everyone there including Yvette has to be operating in bad faith. According, to the WaPo article she's no longer there, but if you watch her videos she already explained there weren't any other liberal orgs like that she could find. She also said there were "conservative elements" there on her show.
This idea that Tanton masterminded/funds #ados for voter suppression or black division or whatever the hell else is being mentioned is unfounded especially since all what s being shown was already known and public.
PFIR probably reached out to Yvette like the other org did with Dr.Anderson and I don't she should have joined them, but Yvette thinks you has to negotiate with these people. A position, again, she's always stated.
You do not cape for Jeff Sessions and then claim to be progressive, as executive director Leah Durant did. That's as obvious a scam as it gets. They're not progressive, they're just adding progressive talking points to White Supremacist goals. They post stuff that echoes progressives in the hopes of capturing some progressive supporters, not because they have any progressive aims.
"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that." - John Tanton
Tanton's taking an urban myth mostly unsupported by research and using it to pursue his demonstrated White Supremacist goals. Because the economy isn't a fixed pie immigration doesn't "replace" Black American workers, its primary impact is to make the economy grow faster and thus it adds as many jobs as it takes. There IS some wage suppression in a few select fields, but it's of a relatively minor degree - on the order of about $.25/hour or so in most cases. You could pick almost any other issue (minimum wage increase, better union rights, improved education, improved job training, prison reform, policing reform, reparations, EITC, etc.) and create a LOT more wealth in the Black community than suppressing immigration will ever get you.
I completely agree. I honestly don't know if she's operating in bad faith or not. Leah Durant is definitely full of shyt, but Yvette could be being honest about her position.
But even if Yvette is operating in good faith, where does that get her? She's still "in good faith" supporting a racist conservative like Ron Paul just 7 years ago. She's still "in good faith" shytting on Coates for practicing "Black identity politics" one year and then shytting on him for not doing it at the super saiyan level the next year. She's still "in good faith" a Bernie supporter in 2016 and then saying he's useless in 2018.
And she's still in good faith giving cover to a White Supremacist-founded organization.
I don't think Yvette is an evil person in any sense. I just think she's flaky as hell in her political philosophy and seriously misguided in her tactics, and it's led her to become far more useful to the people who want to manipulate her community than she is to her own community.
I don't think Tanton masterminded #ados. I think that #ados is just the natural outgrowth of intaking too many of ideas Tanton and others have put out there. It's nativism in the identity politics era. And the big issue is that despite its aims, it has a better chance of helping people like Tanton than it does of helping anyone else. That's why even though I don't think the trolls started #ados, I think the trolls love promoting it as much as possible. We've seen direct receipts of that. And you have to wonder - if you're doing something that White Supremacist trolls want to pump up, then maybe you're doing it wrong?
But here's the thing that really kills me. Yvette thinks you can work with these people. She thinks that you can work with White Supremacists, in their orgs with their aims, and hope you'll come out on top. But she thinks you CAN'T work with Black and Brown people if they're not ADOS, her followers are in here shytting on Africans, Caribbeans, Latinos, and even Black Americans who don't happen to be ADOS...SOLELY because their identity doesn't pass the new bar. Yet Tanton and his White Supremacist buddies DO pass the bar.
That's the bullshyt that kills me.
The plea copping and the insistence to give the benefit of the doubt in the face of wild circumstantial evidence is amazing.
"Yea she was a board member on a covert white supremacist think tank..............but their mission statement wasn't all that bad so that don't necessarily mean she was operating in bad faith".
The same crowd that's always giving her credit for doing the data and research, are now conveniently giving her a pass based on assumed ignorance of who John Tanton is and what he's really about. Now cats are pretending that she was a board member on one of dude's think tank groups just based on the mission statement, and didn't know it was a white supremacist group.
She was on the board because as she has already admitted, she feels like she has more in common with white people than she does with black people. Her goal is to work with whites to gain favor over immigrants. She ultimately just wants a better seat at the white supremacist's table. Reparations and ados is just something that has gotten her foot in them door as evidenced by her massive flip flop on those issues in the last 2-3 years.
Her followers deserve to get played tho. She sits on YouTube and Twitter whining day in and out about how hopeless black people are due to being so poor, yet she collects donations from the same crowd. You're too poor to empower yourselves but not to poor to empower her.
reasonable_doubter
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So? ...... ados need to ignore the bull and keep pushing for reparations.....
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
PFIR is not progressive. It was set up as a front group by John Tanton's white supremacist anti-immigration network and that has been well documented in this thread. Whatever mission statement they put out is a psy-op to obscure their true motives and attract certain people, in the case of PFIR, progressive/senvironmentalists, to get them on board with the goals of the Tanton network (anti-immigration, white supremacy, eugenics).
The problem with the notion that the PFIR membership was an honest but wrong-headed attempt to use them to pursue her goals (whatever they were because it wasn't reparations at the time) is a hard sell when you consider the ideological realignment with their goals she subsequently underwent. She and her followers seem to have smoke for everyone except alt right cacs. She starts clout-chasing twitter beef with Talib Kweli but makes videos defending Steve Bannon. To what degree she is a conscious tool or not is almost irrelevant to the overall fact that she is a tool, and a tool for the most insidious and racist elements in American politics. If she made a hard break from PFIR and the white supremacists who run it, she wouldn't still be
and running interference for them.
Well by that logic Jesse Lee Peterson's group is pro black cause it's title is literally "Choose Black America"
#CutTheChick
desjardins
Superstar
i feel like the only reason black ppl going so hard for immigration is because the border shyt is a big issue for republicans
The “concentration camps” and little Guatemalan kids missing their parents is all black ppl talking about on my feed
Even more than reparations or other black issues
Why do we care about this? Where are the Asian activists at on this? Like why are we front and center hand in hand with cac liberals on an issue that don’t concern us for a demographic that historically has not fought with us on our issues!?
I say all that to say Yvette being on the board of a anti immigration front group ain’t really a red flag to me
It’s actually consistent with her position of putting ADOS first
Any existing group towards that effort is going be run by a “white supremacist” more than likely
Put that in quotes cause I need to look into dudes background on black issues
The “concentration camps” and little Guatemalan kids missing their parents is all black ppl talking about on my feed
Even more than reparations or other black issues
Why do we care about this? Where are the Asian activists at on this? Like why are we front and center hand in hand with cac liberals on an issue that don’t concern us for a demographic that historically has not fought with us on our issues!?
I say all that to say Yvette being on the board of a anti immigration front group ain’t really a red flag to me
It’s actually consistent with her position of putting ADOS first
Any existing group towards that effort is going be run by a “white supremacist” more than likely
Put that in quotes cause I need to look into dudes background on black issues
Stone Cold
Superstar
This thread exposed the gatekeeper mentality a lot of people have when it comes to ADOS. The truth is there are a lot of questionable people in the realm of politics. I’m not going to condemn anybody who decides to play that game because the political system itself was built upon white supremacy. That’s why I decided against going in on OP when he was actively stating that Black Lives Matter was a decentralized group that wasn’t funded or controlled by George Soros.
PFIR is not progressive. It was set up as a front group by John Tanton's white supremacist anti-immigration network and that has been well documented in this thread. Whatever mission statement they put out is a psy-op to obscure their true motives and attract certain people, in the case of PFIR, progressive/senvironmentalists, to get them on board with the goals of the Tanton network (anti-immigration, white supremacy, eugenics).
The problem with the notion that the PFIR membership was an honest but wrong-headed attempt to use them to pursue her goals (whatever they were because it wasn't reparations at the time) is a hard sell when you consider the ideological realignment with their goals she subsequently underwent. She and her followers seem to have smoke for everyone except alt right cacs. She starts clout-chasing twitter beef with Talib Kweli but makes videos defending Steve Bannon. To what degree she is a conscious tool or not is almost irrelevant to the overall fact that she is a tool, and a tool for the most insidious and racist elements in American politics. If she made a hard break from PFIR and the white supremacists who run it, she wouldn't still be
:Mjhigh2: You the OP?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Yeah, that’s a cringe-worthy quote. Politicians shouldn’t be bought and sold by donors. That’s the core rot in the political system, and it’s wrong and corrupt whether it’s for causes or policy positions that I agree with or not.
Why are you deflecting though? Why don’t you address what I said about Carnell and ideological realignment toward the alt right since being on PFIR?
Stone Cold
Superstar
It’s ironic that’s all
A Pro-descendant of slavey agenda and reparations are alt-right now?
That’s new to me
I don’t understand the premise of this thread tho
Is Lyndon B Johnson MLK’s “sugar daddy” simply because they’ve held meetings together to discuss black issues?
Lyndon B Johnson is on record saying crazy things about black people
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
My fault, I thought you were @Gmoney I was responding to about the Tanton network’s role in YC’s politics. He was at least trying to have honest conversation about it unlike you. Sorry I hit reply.It’s ironic that’s all
A Pro-descendant of slavey agenda and reparations are alt-right now?
That’s new to me
Stone Cold
Superstar
You forfeited a honest conversation when u called George Soros a ”bauce” for funding Hillary Clinton
Kyle C. Barker
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PFIR is not progressive. It was set up as a front group by John Tanton's white supremacist anti-immigration network and that has been well documented in this thread. Whatever mission statement they put out is a psy-op to obscure their true motives and attract certain people, in the case of PFIR, progressive/senvironmentalists, to get them on board with the goals of the Tanton network (anti-immigration, white supremacy, eugenics).
The problem with the notion that the PFIR membership was an honest but wrong-headed attempt to use them to pursue her goals (whatever they were because it wasn't reparations at the time) is a hard sell when you consider the ideological realignment with their goals she subsequently underwent. She and her followers seem to have smoke for everyone except alt right cacs. She starts clout-chasing twitter beef with Talib Kweli but makes videos defending Steve Bannon. To what degree she is a conscious tool or not is almost irrelevant to the overall fact that she is a tool, and a tool for the most insidious and racist elements in American politics. If she made a hard break from PFIR and the white supremacists who run it, she wouldn't still be
People are still giving PFIR the benefit of the doubt?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
People are still giving PFIR the benefit of the doubt?
I was surprised to learn that the Tanton network’s primary benefactor was a Scaife heiress. It’s well-known that Richard Mellon Scaife is a Republican mega donor. What I didn’t know was that his sister Cordelia was funding the Tanton network. So the brother funded mainstream Republican political networks and the sister funded less mainstream-acceptable white supremacist/eugenicist/anti-immigration political networks.
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