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Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
1/6 from 3 with 22 pts, Wiggins had 23 with 3/6.
he was 8/14 though with the 1/6. That efficiency
Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
Not to hate or nothing. Not knocking RJ, just being real. Where are you seeing 3/6 from 3 for RJ?
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It was a writer on twitter following the game,looks like he used Wiggins 3 pt stat line by mistake...
He was still 8/14 Breh sounds like hating
Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
Ah ok.
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Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
Just a realist. If he was shooting 1 for 6 and that was his only highlight against Greece, I would've been skeptical. I wanna see him ball out against China.
1 for 6 from three lol so 8/14 with 22 points is still 57% . He working on his step back as well
Peter Popoff
Baba Yega in black uptowns
His ability to get to the rim has vastly improved as well.
Gonna pull up the full highlights.
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Daniel.
BK to NJ, but always a New York Knicka
Fun read from The Athletic - every draft trade up scenario for the Knicks
You’ve heard of the mock draft, well here is the mock trade draft. The Knicks hold the Nos. 19 and 21 picks in the 2021 NBA Draft. And many of the questions I get are about how they can trade up. So here is an exercise where I try to work that out.
The intent here is to think of a way the Knicks can trade up to every pick in the draft ahead of them, from No. 1 to No. 18. Some of these trades are admittedly unrealistic. I don’t see a way for them to get into the top four picks in the draft considering the reputation for the prospects they would be able to land there. But, alas, we try, storming blindly into the night.
Also, it’s very hard trying to figure out the differing and competing interests of any two teams in a trade. The Knicks want to get better next year but also somehow need to trade up for No. 8 without decimating the roster. Figure out that riddle. The Warriors need help for their 2021-22 roster but the Knicks only have Julius Randle and players on their rookie deals under contract. How many picks can you give the team that has all of them?
There’s probably some (all?) trade offers you’re unhappy with. That’s fine. Fire away at me in the comments. I deserve it.
No. 18 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19 and No. 32 for No. 18
The Knicks get off easy here. They only have to give up a very early second-round pick to move up one spot. The last time a team moved up one spot in the draft was in 2018 when the Clippers swapped No. 12 for No. 11 with the Hornets and gave up two second-round picks. Since this is seven picks later the price should be a little bit lower. But knowing this is Sam Presti he might still insist the Knicks throw in another second-rounder.
No. 17 Memphis
The offer: No. 19, No. 32, rights to 2023 Detroit second-round pick for No. 17 and No. 51
The Grizzlies bet on the Pistons being bad again for another two years so they might get another high second-round pick and trade away a second-rounder they might not have kept anyway, all to slide down spots in the draft. The Knicks get to jump up two spots if they see someone there they really like.
No. 16 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19, No. 32, rights to 2023 Detroit second-round pick, rights to the more favorable of 2024 Cleveland or Utah second-round pick for No. 16
The Knicks hold out and stay strong to avoid giving up a second first-rounder, shortchanging Sam Presti of what he truly holds dear. Still, the Thunder get three second-round picks, one that is already a high one and two that have the potential to be. Presti can add that to his wagon full of future assets. The Knicks move up three spots, perhaps to grab Texas center Kai Jones or Stanford wing Ziaire Williams, who Sam Vecenie has going 16 and 17 in his latest mock draft.
No. 15 Washington
The offer: No. 19, No. 32 for No. 15 and Chandler Hutchison
The Wizards trade down four spots, net a non-guaranteed second-round pick and save themselves about $4.5 million for next season. Maybe the Knicks feel that Corey Kispert is the knockdown shooter they need to help the offense take a step forward and surround Julius Randle with shooting and more scoring next season. Hutchison, a former first-round pick, is in the last year of his deal and the Knicks can take a shot on a reclamation project as well as a first-round pick.
No. 14 Golden State
The offer: No. 21 and Mychal Mulder to Indiana; the rights to the 2023 Detroit second-round pick, 2023 Indiana second-round pick, and Jeremy Lamb to the Warriors, No. 14, Kevon Looney, and Alen Smailagic to the Knicks
The Warriors need help for next season. That’s ostensibly their top priority and they also have the No. 7 pick so they can use one for the future and one for now. In this situation they’re using the 14th pick to get help now. The Knicks can’t offer that so there needs to be a third team involved. The Warriors turn their No. 14 pick into Lamb, who gives them scoring and shooting from the wing, the Pacers get No. 21, and the Knicks move up seven spots by giving up a future second and eating a few contracts.
No. 13 Indiana
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, No. 58, and Mitchell Robinson for No. 13 and Myles Turner
This trade idea might sting a bit. If you’ve been following the smoke the last few years it seems like the Knicks might not be all-in on Mitchell Robinson since they’ve been linked to Andre Drummond and Myles Turner. He’ll make $1.8 million next season but then it’s unrestricted free agency. If the Knicks don’t want to give him a multi-year deal in a contract that could potentially reach $10 million or more annually, there are other options. Here, they’d get Turner, who has two years and $36 million left on his contract, and jump up eight spots in the draft to No. 13. That way they could take Davion Mitchell or Usman Garuba, who are both still available in Vecenie’s latest mock. Look at it as losing Robinson but getting his replacement, who is also a very good defensive player with more offensive skill. The Pacers get to save about $16 million on their books and finally untangle Turner and Domantas Sabonis.
No. 12 San Antonio
The offer: No. 21, the 2023 first-round pick (top-10 protected) for No. 12
The Spurs are in the middle of their own rebuild and the Knicks don’t have any young players that can package to move up. Instead, they send a top-10 protected pick to San Antonio to move up nine spots in the draft
No. 11 Charlotte
The offer: Mitchell Robinson and No. 21 for No. 11 and the rights to Boston’s 2023 second-round pick
The Hornets need a center and the Knicks make their decision on Robinson. Instead, they add a wing with potential like Moses Moody or go big with Alperen Sengun.
No. 10 New Orleans
The offer: No. 19 for No. 10 and Eric Bledsoe
How desperate are the Pelicans to get off of Bledsoe’s contract? Instead of attaching a first-round pick to get off of it, they just trade down nine spots. The Knicks get a point guard with only $4 million guaranteed for 2022-23 and a lottery pick as the price to take on that deal.
No. 9 Sacramento
The offer: Mitchell Robinson, No. 19, No. 32, the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick, the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-5 protected) for No. 9 and Harrison Barnes
The Knicks get their starting wing alongside RJ Barrett and jump up 10 spots in the draft. But it costs them. Robinson is gone, so is a whole slew of picks. But they get Barnes, who is solid all across the board, for the next two seasons and still take a shot on the future. The Kings might have been in a position to trade Barnes before the next trade deadline, where they could get a first-round pick or maybe two. So they can get that value now, while new GM Monte McNair gets to start his rebuild immediately.
No. 8 Orlando
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, and No. 32 for No. 8 and Gary Harris
Orlando really wants to clear the books and get Harris off their cap space for next season so they can regain some financial flexibility. That allows the Knicks to make a big jump in the draft while also adding a wing who could rejuvenate his career under Tom Thibodeau.
No. 7 Golden State
The offer: Andrew Wiggins, Derrick Jones Jr., the rights to the 2025 Charlotte second-round pick, and No. 7 to New York; Damian Lillard and Mitchell Robinson to Golden State; James Wiseman, the No. 19 pick, the No. 14 pick, the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick, the rights to the Warriors 2025 first-round pick, the rights to the Warriors 2027 first-round pick, swap rights to the Warriors 2023 first-round pick and 2026 first-round pick to Portland.
This one got a little complicated but how else could the Knicks get No. 7? They give up Robinson and two first-round picks to move up 12 spots in the draft because they really want a shot at James Bouknight, Josh Giddey, Franz Wagner, or maybe even Scottie Barnes. It’s a lot but obviously the Knicks really believe in one of those guys in that scenario. They also keep No. 21 in this scenario so they can trade that later or keep the pick. The Warriors get Lillard, which obviously is what the Knicks prefer, but hey can’t always get what you want. Wiggins has a rough contract but there are only two seasons left on it and he is a Thibodeau favorite, supposably. He also shot 38 percent on 3s last season and gives them a scoring wing who becomes an expiring contract if things go bad in 2021-22.
No. 6 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, the Knicks 2023 first-round pick, and the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick for No. 6
Like on Vormir, Sam Presti demands a sacrifice. In order to take the first-rounder, you must lose that which you love. A pick for picks.
No. 5 Orlando
The offer: Immanuel Quickley, No. 19, and the rights to the 2022 first-round pick (top-8 protected) for No. 5
This may earn the scathing, unadulterated rage of many Knicks fans but gotta spend money to make money. Quickley was wonderful as a rookie but if the Knicks are trading up to No. 5 it’s because they believe there is a foundational potential All-Star there and that it’s a five player draft. Quickley isn’t All-Star good. The Magic get a scoring guard they can pair with Markelle Fultz and add a player who scores for them next year, which they badly need.
No. 4 Toronto
The offer: RJ Barrett and No. 19 for No. 4
Oh, Canada. The Raptors bring home the great Canadian hope. The Knicks get a chance to guarantee themselves Jalen Suggs, Jalen Green, or maybe even Evan Mobley. The Raptors would probably want more but we’re just talking here.
No. 3 Cleveland
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, and the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-4 protected) for Taurean Prince and No. 3
The original deal here was for the Knicks to bring in Kevin Love, finally ending that deteriorating marriage in Cleveland. But that just made no sense. Instead, they take on the last year of Taurean Prince at $13 million, and give up their own best young player. The Cavaliers get a player ready to help them in 2021-22, while the Knicks take the big long-term bet on Green or Suggs. The Hawks traded up from eight to four in 2019 and had to include the No. 17 pick and the No. 35 pick and took on the rest of Solomon Hill’s contract ($12.8 million). The Knicks are taking an even bigger jump so they have to give up even more.
No. 2 Houston
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-3 protected) for No. 2
This is going to be very painful for the Knicks but maybe they really want Evan Mobley or Jalen Green.
No.1 Detroit
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, No. 21, the 2023 Mavericks pick, 2022 pick swap, 2024 pick swap for No. 1 and Mason Plumlee
Honestly, I can’t think of a way to get this done but to throw everything at the Pistons. Cade Cunningham has been touted as one of those sui generis prospects, a 6-8 lead guard who can do it all. Detroit just changed the trajectory of its franchise by winning the lottery. The only chance the Knicks have is to throw their best assets at the Pistons and take on some bad contracts. The last time a team traded the No. 1 pick, the Sixers sent No. 3 and a future first-round pick to Boston. So it took a first-round pick to fill that two gap pick; what does it take to fill an 18 pick gap? I ran this by James L. Edwards III, our great Pistons reporter, and this is where we landed.
The intent here is to think of a way the Knicks can trade up to every pick in the draft ahead of them, from No. 1 to No. 18. Some of these trades are admittedly unrealistic. I don’t see a way for them to get into the top four picks in the draft considering the reputation for the prospects they would be able to land there. But, alas, we try, storming blindly into the night.
Also, it’s very hard trying to figure out the differing and competing interests of any two teams in a trade. The Knicks want to get better next year but also somehow need to trade up for No. 8 without decimating the roster. Figure out that riddle. The Warriors need help for their 2021-22 roster but the Knicks only have Julius Randle and players on their rookie deals under contract. How many picks can you give the team that has all of them?
There’s probably some (all?) trade offers you’re unhappy with. That’s fine. Fire away at me in the comments. I deserve it.
No. 18 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19 and No. 32 for No. 18
The Knicks get off easy here. They only have to give up a very early second-round pick to move up one spot. The last time a team moved up one spot in the draft was in 2018 when the Clippers swapped No. 12 for No. 11 with the Hornets and gave up two second-round picks. Since this is seven picks later the price should be a little bit lower. But knowing this is Sam Presti he might still insist the Knicks throw in another second-rounder.
No. 17 Memphis
The offer: No. 19, No. 32, rights to 2023 Detroit second-round pick for No. 17 and No. 51
The Grizzlies bet on the Pistons being bad again for another two years so they might get another high second-round pick and trade away a second-rounder they might not have kept anyway, all to slide down spots in the draft. The Knicks get to jump up two spots if they see someone there they really like.
No. 16 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19, No. 32, rights to 2023 Detroit second-round pick, rights to the more favorable of 2024 Cleveland or Utah second-round pick for No. 16
The Knicks hold out and stay strong to avoid giving up a second first-rounder, shortchanging Sam Presti of what he truly holds dear. Still, the Thunder get three second-round picks, one that is already a high one and two that have the potential to be. Presti can add that to his wagon full of future assets. The Knicks move up three spots, perhaps to grab Texas center Kai Jones or Stanford wing Ziaire Williams, who Sam Vecenie has going 16 and 17 in his latest mock draft.
No. 15 Washington
The offer: No. 19, No. 32 for No. 15 and Chandler Hutchison
The Wizards trade down four spots, net a non-guaranteed second-round pick and save themselves about $4.5 million for next season. Maybe the Knicks feel that Corey Kispert is the knockdown shooter they need to help the offense take a step forward and surround Julius Randle with shooting and more scoring next season. Hutchison, a former first-round pick, is in the last year of his deal and the Knicks can take a shot on a reclamation project as well as a first-round pick.
No. 14 Golden State
The offer: No. 21 and Mychal Mulder to Indiana; the rights to the 2023 Detroit second-round pick, 2023 Indiana second-round pick, and Jeremy Lamb to the Warriors, No. 14, Kevon Looney, and Alen Smailagic to the Knicks
The Warriors need help for next season. That’s ostensibly their top priority and they also have the No. 7 pick so they can use one for the future and one for now. In this situation they’re using the 14th pick to get help now. The Knicks can’t offer that so there needs to be a third team involved. The Warriors turn their No. 14 pick into Lamb, who gives them scoring and shooting from the wing, the Pacers get No. 21, and the Knicks move up seven spots by giving up a future second and eating a few contracts.
No. 13 Indiana
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, No. 58, and Mitchell Robinson for No. 13 and Myles Turner
This trade idea might sting a bit. If you’ve been following the smoke the last few years it seems like the Knicks might not be all-in on Mitchell Robinson since they’ve been linked to Andre Drummond and Myles Turner. He’ll make $1.8 million next season but then it’s unrestricted free agency. If the Knicks don’t want to give him a multi-year deal in a contract that could potentially reach $10 million or more annually, there are other options. Here, they’d get Turner, who has two years and $36 million left on his contract, and jump up eight spots in the draft to No. 13. That way they could take Davion Mitchell or Usman Garuba, who are both still available in Vecenie’s latest mock. Look at it as losing Robinson but getting his replacement, who is also a very good defensive player with more offensive skill. The Pacers get to save about $16 million on their books and finally untangle Turner and Domantas Sabonis.
No. 12 San Antonio
The offer: No. 21, the 2023 first-round pick (top-10 protected) for No. 12
The Spurs are in the middle of their own rebuild and the Knicks don’t have any young players that can package to move up. Instead, they send a top-10 protected pick to San Antonio to move up nine spots in the draft
No. 11 Charlotte
The offer: Mitchell Robinson and No. 21 for No. 11 and the rights to Boston’s 2023 second-round pick
The Hornets need a center and the Knicks make their decision on Robinson. Instead, they add a wing with potential like Moses Moody or go big with Alperen Sengun.
No. 10 New Orleans
The offer: No. 19 for No. 10 and Eric Bledsoe
How desperate are the Pelicans to get off of Bledsoe’s contract? Instead of attaching a first-round pick to get off of it, they just trade down nine spots. The Knicks get a point guard with only $4 million guaranteed for 2022-23 and a lottery pick as the price to take on that deal.
No. 9 Sacramento
The offer: Mitchell Robinson, No. 19, No. 32, the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick, the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-5 protected) for No. 9 and Harrison Barnes
The Knicks get their starting wing alongside RJ Barrett and jump up 10 spots in the draft. But it costs them. Robinson is gone, so is a whole slew of picks. But they get Barnes, who is solid all across the board, for the next two seasons and still take a shot on the future. The Kings might have been in a position to trade Barnes before the next trade deadline, where they could get a first-round pick or maybe two. So they can get that value now, while new GM Monte McNair gets to start his rebuild immediately.
No. 8 Orlando
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, and No. 32 for No. 8 and Gary Harris
Orlando really wants to clear the books and get Harris off their cap space for next season so they can regain some financial flexibility. That allows the Knicks to make a big jump in the draft while also adding a wing who could rejuvenate his career under Tom Thibodeau.
No. 7 Golden State
The offer: Andrew Wiggins, Derrick Jones Jr., the rights to the 2025 Charlotte second-round pick, and No. 7 to New York; Damian Lillard and Mitchell Robinson to Golden State; James Wiseman, the No. 19 pick, the No. 14 pick, the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick, the rights to the Warriors 2025 first-round pick, the rights to the Warriors 2027 first-round pick, swap rights to the Warriors 2023 first-round pick and 2026 first-round pick to Portland.
This one got a little complicated but how else could the Knicks get No. 7? They give up Robinson and two first-round picks to move up 12 spots in the draft because they really want a shot at James Bouknight, Josh Giddey, Franz Wagner, or maybe even Scottie Barnes. It’s a lot but obviously the Knicks really believe in one of those guys in that scenario. They also keep No. 21 in this scenario so they can trade that later or keep the pick. The Warriors get Lillard, which obviously is what the Knicks prefer, but hey can’t always get what you want. Wiggins has a rough contract but there are only two seasons left on it and he is a Thibodeau favorite, supposably. He also shot 38 percent on 3s last season and gives them a scoring wing who becomes an expiring contract if things go bad in 2021-22.
No. 6 Oklahoma City
The offer: No. 19, No. 21, the Knicks 2023 first-round pick, and the rights to the Mavericks 2023 first-round pick for No. 6
Like on Vormir, Sam Presti demands a sacrifice. In order to take the first-rounder, you must lose that which you love. A pick for picks.
No. 5 Orlando
The offer: Immanuel Quickley, No. 19, and the rights to the 2022 first-round pick (top-8 protected) for No. 5
This may earn the scathing, unadulterated rage of many Knicks fans but gotta spend money to make money. Quickley was wonderful as a rookie but if the Knicks are trading up to No. 5 it’s because they believe there is a foundational potential All-Star there and that it’s a five player draft. Quickley isn’t All-Star good. The Magic get a scoring guard they can pair with Markelle Fultz and add a player who scores for them next year, which they badly need.
No. 4 Toronto
The offer: RJ Barrett and No. 19 for No. 4
Oh, Canada. The Raptors bring home the great Canadian hope. The Knicks get a chance to guarantee themselves Jalen Suggs, Jalen Green, or maybe even Evan Mobley. The Raptors would probably want more but we’re just talking here.
No. 3 Cleveland
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, and the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-4 protected) for Taurean Prince and No. 3
The original deal here was for the Knicks to bring in Kevin Love, finally ending that deteriorating marriage in Cleveland. But that just made no sense. Instead, they take on the last year of Taurean Prince at $13 million, and give up their own best young player. The Cavaliers get a player ready to help them in 2021-22, while the Knicks take the big long-term bet on Green or Suggs. The Hawks traded up from eight to four in 2019 and had to include the No. 17 pick and the No. 35 pick and took on the rest of Solomon Hill’s contract ($12.8 million). The Knicks are taking an even bigger jump so they have to give up even more.
No. 2 Houston
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, the rights to the 2023 first-round pick (top-3 protected) for No. 2
This is going to be very painful for the Knicks but maybe they really want Evan Mobley or Jalen Green.
No.1 Detroit
The offer: RJ Barrett, No. 19, No. 21, the 2023 Mavericks pick, 2022 pick swap, 2024 pick swap for No. 1 and Mason Plumlee
Honestly, I can’t think of a way to get this done but to throw everything at the Pistons. Cade Cunningham has been touted as one of those sui generis prospects, a 6-8 lead guard who can do it all. Detroit just changed the trajectory of its franchise by winning the lottery. The only chance the Knicks have is to throw their best assets at the Pistons and take on some bad contracts. The last time a team traded the No. 1 pick, the Sixers sent No. 3 and a future first-round pick to Boston. So it took a first-round pick to fill that two gap pick; what does it take to fill an 18 pick gap? I ran this by James L. Edwards III, our great Pistons reporter, and this is where we landed.
Give me Myles Turner and Pick 13 for Mitch and Picks.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
I like that New Orleans one. They keep Lonzo and draft later, the Knicks draft top 10 for taking on a contract that is not fully guaranteed in 2022.
fukk around they could come away with #10 and #19
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