YouTube to blame for rise in flat Earth believers, says study

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Bro, you want "simple solutions" because you can't grasp the size of the Earth much less the distances involved. Clearly nothing in your real life will be affected by if the Earth is flat or round so just continue living how you've been living.
So again, you think that you're just "smarter" than the people asking for simple proof of these outlandish borderline impossible concepts that we are asked to suspend disbelief and deny our senses to believe in, in the first place

They teach heliocentrism to children, so I'm not sure why you think you need a certain level of intelligence to learn it

You just need an elementary school level of public education:francis:
 

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You wanna know why this thread is funny?

We live in an age where the sum total of all human knowledge is at everyone's fingertips via supercomputers we carry in our pockets...

...and some people still come away with the idea that the world is flat and the round earth "theory" is some elaborate, centuries-old hoax. :deadmanny:
Most people believe that African history starts with slavery

Is something true just because a lot of people believe it?
 

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So again, you think that you're just "smarter" than the people asking for simple proof of these outlandish borderline impossible concepts that we are asked to suspend disbelief and deny our senses to believe in, in the first place

They teach heliocentrism to children, so I'm not sure why you think you need a certain level of intelligence to learn it

You just need an elementary school level of public education:francis:
Yes, I believe that, because, if you don't understand that something the mass of Earth and how gravity works cannot physically exist without being a globe, then you don't belong in a scientific discussion. There's no "debate" there, just wasted energy.

I understand people don't do well with scale so teaching a child about heliocentrism doesn't mean they grasp the concept that Earth is ~93 mil miles from the Sun and Jupiter is 5 times that when their longest trip was maybe Cali to NY. The mind breaks down and that's fine because it doesn't affect your daily life. But that doesn't make your opinions valid for debate. You can ask all the questions you want, but nobody has to answer you.
 

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@xCivicx if the Earth is flat, why is it the middle of the night on one side of the world at the same time it's the middle of the day on the other? Does the sun hide itself behind a big old curtain? Are the Freemasons holding up a big fan that blocks the sun? IS IT THE JOOOS?
 

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@xCivicx if the Earth is flat, why is it the middle of the night on one side of the world at the same time it's the middle of the day on the other? Does the sun hide itself behind a big old curtain? Are the Freemasons holding up a big fan that blocks the sun? IS IT THE JOOOS?
You know good and god damn well it's the lizard people.
 

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You wanna know why this thread is funny?

We live in an age where the sum total of all human knowledge is at everyone's fingertips via supercomputers we carry in our pockets...

...and some people still come away with the idea that the world is flat and the round earth "theory" is some elaborate, centuries-old hoax. :deadmanny:
Proof that giving people access to this much knowledge doesn't make the stupid less stupid, it just makes them angrier and louder that nobody recognizes how secretly smart they all are.
 

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Yall do a lot of arrogant posting about concepts that yall dont actually even understand

I minored in physics at GaTech

I know everything you think you know about heliocentric theory

I know MORE than you about heliocentric thoery

I can teach high school physics right now if I wanted to

Once you actually make an effort to unlearn the indoctrination and actually understand what I'm saying, things will make a lot more sense to you

You gotta decide whether or not you wanna let your laziness overpower your quest for knowledge

And also, theres absolutely nothing wrong with admitting that you dont know something

Only foolishly prideful, ego driven people believe that there is

Wikipedia said:
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."
 
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Yes, I believe that, because, if you don't understand that something the mass of Earth and how gravity works cannot physically exist without being a globe, then you don't belong in a scientific discussion. There's no "debate" there, just wasted energy.

I understand people don't do well with scale so teaching a child about heliocentrism doesn't mean they grasp the concept that Earth is ~93 mil miles from the Sun and Jupiter is 5 times that when their longest trip was maybe Cali to NY. The mind breaks down and that's fine because it doesn't affect your daily life. But that doesn't make your opinions valid for debate. You can ask all the questions you want, but nobody has to answer you.
Because you literally cannot answer them:francis:
 

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@xCivicx if the Earth is flat, why is it the middle of the night on one side of the world at the same time it's the middle of the day on the other? Does the sun hide itself behind a big old curtain? Are the Freemasons holding up a big fan that blocks the sun? IS IT THE JOOOS?
I literally answered this on page 3 so I'm just gonna assume you're trolling from here on out until you muster up the courage to ask an adult question
 

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Proof that giving people access to this much knowledge doesn't make the stupid less stupid, it just makes them angrier and louder that nobody recognizes how secretly smart they all are.
Who has been the loud angry person in here??

Me or like 10-15 of y'all??

You can't be talking about me

Y'all have been throwing temper tantrums all thread while I've been calmly and casually posting facts that y'all continue to talk around

Then y'all do this weirdly arrogant and dismissive "I'm above this whole discussion, even though I have double digit posts in the thread and haven't refuted a single fact posted" like y'all think y'all won

When in actuality, in any official debate, the first side to throw out an ad hominem insult to the opposing side automatically loses said debate:francis:
 

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I just ran into this - simple, easy-ass experiment to prove to anyone the Earth is not flat, from 150 years ago.


Bedford Level Experiment Confirmed the Curvature of the Earth
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In 1870, Alfred Russell Wallace successfully demonstrated the curvature of the Earth to answer the challenge put forward by a flat-Earther, John Hampden.


Hampden was a disciple of Rowbotham, who was a significant influence on flat-Earth movement back in the day. Rowbotham had previously used the Bedford Canal to prove the non-existence of Earth’s curvature. He looked through a telescope from one end of the canal and was able to observe boats on the other end.

He ignored the effect of refraction and wrongly concluded that the Earth does not have curvature. Wallace designed a better experiment to minimize the effect of refraction:

  • He raised the entire experiment by 13 ft 3 in (4 m) above water. In contrast, Rowbotham did his experiment only 8 in (20 cm) above water.
  • He added a pole with two discs in the middle of the canal for observational aid. This way, if there’s a curvature, it would be easy to observe.
In the experiment, Wallace successfully proved the existence of Earth’s curvature. Unfortunately, Hampden was not an honest person. He didn’t allow Wallace to take the wager. Instead, he made various threats to Wallace and his friends over the years and as a result, was put in jail many times.

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On January 12, 1870, John Hampden, a flat-Earther and a disciple of Samuel Rowbotham, wrote in Scientific Opinion magazine and challenged scientists to prove the existence of Earth’s curvature. He offered £500 as a reward for anyone who could prove it.

A cash-strapped Alfred Russel Wallace thought he would earn easy money. He answered the challenge and made the demonstration on the straight and 6-mile long Bedford River (9.7 km).

He is the same Alfred Wallace who was a notable biologist and conducted various research in many places in the world.

Wallace who had experience in surveying, designed his experiment as follows:

The Old Bedford bridge, about six miles off, was of brick and somewhat higher. On this bridge I fixed a large sheet of white calico, six feet long and three feet deep, with a thick black band along the centre, the lower edge of which was the same height from the water as the parapet of Welney bridge; so that the centre of it would be as high as the line of sight of the large six-inch telescope I had brought with me.

At the centre point, about three miles from each bridge, I fixed up a long pole with two red discs on it, the upper one having its centre the same height above the water as the centre of the black band and of the telescope, while the second disc was four feet lower down.

It is evident that if the surface of the water is a perfectly straight line for the six miles, then the three objects—the telescope, the top disc, and the black band—being all exactly the same height above the water, the disc would be seen in the telescope projected upon the black band;

whereas, if the six-mile surface of the water is convexly curved, then the top disc would appear to be decidedly higher than the black band, the amount due to the known size of the earth being five feet eight inches, which amount will be reduced a little by refraction to perhaps about five feet.

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In the illustration above, the top picture is what would happen if the Earth is flat, and the bottom is what would happen if the Earth’s is curved. The experiment was approved by all the involved parties, including Hampden and the referees.

When the experiment was in progress, Wallace was always accompanied by Hampden or the referee, and he made sure the height of all the three objects were the same.

When seen through the telescope, the bridge and the pole in the middle appeared like this:

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It is clear that both discs were seen above the black band, and Wallace’s hypothesis was correct. Unfortunately, Hampden did not take the result well. He argued that the telescope was not flat and does not have cross-hair. It was undoubtedly a made-up excuse and had absolutely no relevance to the experiment.

Wallace did follow his request, though, and borrowed a level and a telescope from his friend. In the second observation, the result, as it should be, appeared the same.

Wallace also did his experiment in the opposite direction. He put a flag on the Welney bridge and moved the telescope to the Old Bedford bridge. The result was also the same: both discs were visible above the flag.

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All the observations indicated both of the discs were seen above the black band (and the flag), so it was concluded that the water has curvature, as seen below.

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Wallace designed the experiment in a one-sided fashion, giving an advantage to Hampden. He did this by making the second disc below the top disc to ensure Hampden accept the experiment.

All the referees and the representatives of Hampden agreed that Wallace had won the challenge. But the story did not end here. Hampden demanded Wallace to return his money!

At the time the money was still in the hands of a referee and had not been handed to Wallace. Unfortunately, the court ruled that the money was still in Hampden’s right because it had not been delivered to Wallace, probably because no written agreement was enforceable in the eye of the law.

And it was very far from over. Over the next 16 years, Hampden repeatedly made threats to Wallace and the people involved in the competition, including one of the referees.

Hampden sent letters to people who knew Wallace and accused Wallace of being a liar. Wallace’s wife also received threats of murder. For this offense, Hampden was imprisoned for three months. But once free, he returned to his behavior again.

After that, Hampden committed various offenses that led him to get involved with the law numerous times:

  • In 1871, one referee of the challenge sued Hampden for defamation. Hampden was sentenced to 1 year in prison.
  • In January 1871, Wallace sued Hampden for defamation. The court ruled Hampden had to pay Wallace £600. But Hampden had cleverly transferred all his assets to his son-in-law so that he had no asset. For this, Wallace ended up having to pay the court fees.
  • In October 1872, Wallace sued Hampden for defamation once more. The court let him go because Hampden published an apology through several newspapers.
  • In January 1872, Hampden again committed defamation and was ‘forced’ to publish an apology through several newspapers.
  • But only a few months later, Hampden was back in the defamation business, and he was sentenced to prison for two months.
  • In March 1875, Hampden was again imprisoned for defamation charges, this time for one year, and two years living under surveillance. But Hampden was released after only six months in prison.
  • In January 1876, Hampden filed a lawsuit against Walsh, one of the referees to regain the £500 challenge prize. But since Wallace had a debt of £687 due to previous charges, Wallace tried to pay the debt using the receivables. Hampden cleverly made himself bankrupt and transferred all of his assets to his son-in-law. In the end, Wallace ended up paying the entire court fee of £277, not counting other fees.
  • In 1878, once again, Hampden sent letters to Wallace’s colleagues.
  • In 1885, Hampden sent a letter to Huxley, the president of the Royal Society, to defame Wallace.
Wallace thought he would get an easy £500, and the experiment was merely a matter of science. It was far from it, Wallace needed to spend plenty of time and money to deal with the Hampden problem.

Like a lot of things in the flat-Earth state of affairs, it is not merely a matter of science, but also a psychological problem.
 

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I'm not seeing where they explicitly state how much curvature is supposed to be observable over the length of that experiment in your post

Also, can you post an more up-to-date version of this experiment?

There's much better technology that can accurately run that test now than there was

What's funny is that that test actually came back inconclusive back then because both sides thought they proved what they set out to prove

But you posted a pretty biased article about it, which isn't surprising
 

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I'm not seeing where they explicitly state how much curvature is supposed to be observable over the length of that experiment in your post

Does that mean there's no curvature at all? :patrice:

Besides, just because the Earth is round doesn't mean it's a perfect sphere (please show anyone who argues this), so the curvature isn't consistent in all places. There's greater curvature at the equator, for example. :ehh:

Also, can you post an more up-to-date version of this experiment?

Right here: Recreating the Bedford Level Experiment


There's much better technology that can accurately run that test now than there was

But yet we can't take pictures of the earth at high altitudes? :patrice:


But you posted a pretty biased article about it, which isn't surprising

So the flat-earth YouTube videos you post aren't biased? :patrice:
 

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@Black Panther

I'm not seeing where they explicitly state how much curvature is supposed to be observable over the length of that experiment in your post

Also, can you post an more up-to-date version of this experiment?

There's much better technology that can accurately run that test now than there was

What's funny is that that test actually came back inconclusive back then because both sides thought they proved what they set out to prove

But you posted a pretty biased article about it, which isn't surprising
Funny enough some flat earthers did this same experiment to prove the earth is flat and accidentally proved the opposite.

Flat-Earther Proves in Simple Experiment that the Earth Is Round



They also spent $20,000 on a gyroscope experiment that they were sure would prove the earth was flat, they proved it was round.

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Does that mean there's no curvature at all? :patrice:

Besides, just because the Earth is round doesn't mean it's a perfect sphere (please show anyone who argues this), so the curvature isn't consistent in all places. There's greater curvature at the equator, for example. :ehh:



Right here: Recreating the Bedford Level Experiment




But yet we can't take pictures of the earth at high altitudes? :patrice:




So the flat-earth YouTube videos you post aren't biased? :patrice:
This is what I'm not understanding

You're still attempting to use cartoons and modified "photos" to prove the earth is a sphere, when there are supposedly thousands of high powered devices orbiting in space right now

Why can you not produce a video recording of this experiment proving that the earth is a sphere?

Idk what flat earth vids you watch, but ones I watch are just asking simple questions

Simple questions that STILL have not been answered in here in any way

And yes, if that experiment proved curvature then there should be real numerical values to the results

Y'all just deflect over and over smh:francis:
 
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