Youtube Critics beefing over anti-DC agenda

[Starman]

two superhero movies with the same general plot less than two months apart originally supposed to be released at the same time and they don't want comparisons

This.
DC stans are being absurd.

 

[Wild self]

ant man was just a generic marvel film.

A complete bore where you turn your brain off and forget the movie 5 minutes after its over.

It's so dull and boring.

Antman could have been rated PG outside of 4 to 5 scenes.

 

[CoCoaButterJones]

What I don't get with stans on both sides is how y'all can hate each other and wish to see one another fail? Without marvel this DC shyt would've never happened. Without DC all this marvel shyt would've been stagnant as far as quality goes. You need both to be successful in order for these movies to keep being made. I love comic book movies; I grew up on marvel (my brother has almost all the collectible cards) but my favorite super hero is flash (I was the fastest kid on the block ) I'm pretty neutral and coming to this board is baffling how much hate there is. Y'all should be happy these movies are even being made. I know I am.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

What I don't get with stans on both sides is how y'all can hate each other and wish to see one another fail? Without marvel this DC shyt would've never happened. Without DC all this marvel shyt would've been stagnant as far as quality goes. You need both to be successful in order for these movies to keep being made. I love comic book movies; I grew up on marvel (my brother has almost all the collectible cards) but my favorite super hero is flash (I was the fastest kid on the block ) I'm pretty neutral and coming to this board is baffling how much hate there is. Y'all should be happy these movies are even being made. I know I am.

No one is wishing for bad movies or movies to fail. People are expressing a preference. I like comic movies from all studios if they are good. I just prefer the Marvel Universe, it was an intimate part of my childhood. When the movies aren't good and if there are tangible things to talk about/ridicule we do so. I think it's fun.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I get the comparisons it annoys me when it's dumbass comments like "see this is the humor BvS was lacking". We have to accept that MAYBE BvS was never aiming to be that funny? same for Man of Steel.

I love most Marvel movies because I don't go in expecting Ironman to be serious. They could've gone for Demon in the Bottle and made a dark ass Ironman movie which I would've loved, and I wouldn't have gone into it expecting Downey Jr to be clowning around for two hours.

 

[MegaManX]

Let's be objective for a moment.

During the time of the comic book empires, DC was a conservative universe with cookie cutter heroes and villains, all white, all extreme in their viewpoints.

Marvel was the liberal empire which screamed diversity in not only race, but also motivations. Anti-Heroes, Likable villains, etc. That was normal for Marvel.

Over the years, Marvel has had to do little to keep up with the modern times while DC had to practically reinvent itself because the "good ole boy" stuff was wack as hell today.


In the end, the only character not cut out of righteous cloth was batman. Thus everyone likes batman even though he has is the weakest character in the DC universe.

Additionally, it is not heroic to be invincible to everything. Thus, we have a tendency to think superman is lame.

The hulk is invincible to everything too BUT he also might kill his allies THUS he is complicated.

 

[Tasha And]

Let's be objective for a moment.

During the time of the comic book empires, DC was a conservative universe with cookie cutter heroes and villains, all white, all extreme in their viewpoints.

Marvel was the liberal empire which screamed diversity in not only race, but also motivations. Anti-Heroes, Likable villains, etc. That was normal for Marvel.

Over the years, Marvel has had to do little to keep up with the modern times while DC had to practically reinvent itself because the "good ole boy" stuff was wack as hell today.


In the end, the only character not cut out of righteous cloth was batman. Thus everyone likes batman even though he has is the weakest character in the DC universe.

Additionally, it is not heroic to be invincible to everything. Thus, we have a tendency to think superman is lame.

The hulk is invincible to everything too BUT he also might kill his allies THUS he is complicated.

Is this true DC comic fans?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Let's be objective for a moment.

During the time of the comic book empires, DC was a conservative universe with cookie cutter heroes and villains, all white, all extreme in their viewpoints.

Marvel was the liberal empire which screamed diversity in not only race, but also motivations. Anti-Heroes, Likable villains, etc. That was normal for Marvel.

Over the years, Marvel has had to do little to keep up with the modern times while DC had to practically reinvent itself because the "good ole boy" stuff was wack as hell today.


In the end, the only character not cut out of righteous cloth was batman. Thus everyone likes batman even though he has is the weakest character in the DC universe.

Additionally, it is not heroic to be invincible to everything. Thus, we have a tendency to think superman is lame.

The hulk is invincible to everything too BUT he also might kill his allies THUS he is complicated.

George RR Martin on the difference between the comics when he was a kid:

George R.R. Martin: Yes. It’s hard to understand, I think, from the vantage point of 2011 exactly what was going on in comics back in the early ’60s. The Marvel comics that I was writing letters to were really revolutionary for the time. Stan Lee was doing some amazing work. Up until then, the dominant comic book had been the DC comics, which at that time were always very circular: Superman or Batman would have an adventure, and at the end of the adventure they would wind up exactly where they were, and then the next issue would follow the same pattern. Nothing ever changed for the DC characters.

The Marvel characters were constantly changing. Important things were happening. The lineup of the Avengers was constantly changing. People would quit and they would have fights and all of that, as opposed to DC, where everybody got along and it was all very nice, and of course all the heroes liked each other. None of this was happening. So really, Stan Lee introduced the whole concept of characterization [chuckles] to comic books, and conflict, and maybe even a touch of gray in some of the characters. And boy, looking back at it now, I can see that it probably was a bigger influence on my own work than I would have dreamed.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Grew up in the 90's so the first CRISIS had already hit and DC wasn't so black and white anymore.

I think the only "problem" DC has is that they can't market for shyt, whereas Marvel has mastered it. They chose a certain path for the movies and quality and I can respect that (and enjoy it) but the marketing


Spoiling Doomsday, reacting to bad reviews, Zack Snyder and Henry Cavill doing dumb ass interviews insulting women and minorities.

Henry Cavill in ONE interview basically said:

- Oscarssowhite was a wack movement
- He doesn't take acting serious and does it for the money
- Equal pay for men/women is overrated



Watch all his appearances on the late night shows and all he does is talk about his muscles and having sex while Ben Affleck kind of shakes his head and tries to talk about the characters etc.

Other than the fact that some people genuinely disliked the movie, a lot of people (more importantly critics) simply can't stand Zack Snyder and Henry Cavill. And it's not hard to see why. Meanwhile ALL Marvel/Disney actors come off likeable as fukk.

 

[MrSinnister]

It's not that real

The purpose of entertainment is losing it's identity for real

If only they cared about the actual Earth they live in, as much as they do fantasy and social media wars.

It's just a$$holes will always have opinions they need to express, and the bigger a$$holes have much time due to no jobs (they're all competing to be "reviewers" now for some dying press outlet ), because of their personality disorders that they just make everything a war.

The best movies are going to get the most hype and money. Marvel blows everything bullshyt DC tries out the water easily. You can tell that their movies aren't fanservice, and makes more sense. It makes you suspend more of your disbelief, thus you want to go see them more. When this happens, there is more anticipation to future movies from that creator, which gets more oress, and ups the ante for its competitors.

You can't get mad at that, unless you're a tool, living with childish expectations.

 

[Wild self]

Let's be objective for a moment.

During the time of the comic book empires, DC was a conservative universe with cookie cutter heroes and villains, all white, all extreme in their viewpoints.

Marvel was the liberal empire which screamed diversity in not only race, but also motivations. Anti-Heroes, Likable villains, etc. That was normal for Marvel.

Over the years, Marvel has had to do little to keep up with the modern times while DC had to practically reinvent itself because the "good ole boy" stuff was wack as hell today.


In the end, the only character not cut out of righteous cloth was batman. Thus everyone likes batman even though he has is the weakest character in the DC universe.

Additionally, it is not heroic to be invincible to everything. Thus, we have a tendency to think superman is lame.

The hulk is invincible to everything too BUT he also might kill his allies THUS he is complicated.

IMO, Marvel started out well, but they got caught up in the anti hero craze too much. For every Captain America or Black Panther in the MU with strong characterizations and principles, you have thousands of Deadpools, Wolverines, and Punishers running amok not correcting themselves of their mistakes. Or Spiderman still not figuring out a way to overcome problems like paying bills, when people in the real world actually do find a way to overcome financial problems. Heroes were there to inspire to see what's possible, not to dwell in personal problems and let that overshadow to do what's right. That what subconsciously irks me about the flawed/ anti hero that refuses to change: the fact that their way of thinking dead the possibility of positive change.

DC did start out white washed and campy, but hey, at least they (the heroes) understand that there are bigger problems than themselves, and striving for perfection will lead to greatness. That's what I get for reading DC over the decades and how they strive for perfection, even when the people refuse self improvement.

 

[loyola llothta]

Zack Snyder over the years....

"Several filmmakers have tried to turn Watchmen into a movie and failed. One issue Hollywood has always had with the material is that it requires an intimate familiarity with the superhero genre in order to fully appreciate it. Does the fact that Watchmen is finally being made into a movie indicate something has changed in the culture? The average movie audience has seen — well, I can’t even count the amount of superhero movies. Fantastic Four, X-Men, Superman, Spider-Man. The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too! We’re on our second Hulk movie. And Iron Man — $300 million domestic box office on a second tier superhero! And not to demean Iron Man — my point is that we all know about superheroes now. I can ask my mother, ”Mom, when the Hulk isn’t the Hulk, who is he?” ”Bruce Banner. Why? What a weird question.” I could ask her, ”What happened to Bruce Wayne’s parents?” ”They were killed at an opera.” You’re getting to that saturation level where superhero movies, it’s hard for them to figure out what more to do."


EW:Well, one new point of difference is make them more grim and gritty, like Hancock or The Dark Knight, which seems to also work in Watchmen’s favor —

Zack S: Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go. I believe that pop culture is just, like, so ready for Watchmen. We tried so hard to ride that wave between satire and reality, and all the things that make you still care about the character, but you don’t miss the commentary about them. Nite-Owl is Batman. The guy has a fricking cave under his house! No doubt a fanboy will look at the movie and not get it. ”He looks just like Batman!” Precisely. When people saw our version of the Ozymandias costume on the Internet, some were like, ”It’s like a Joel Schumacher Batman movie! The costume has nipples! That’s crazy!” And I’m like, ”Yeah, but that’s the point!” With their comic, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons were saying, ”Superheroes are kinda funky, aren’t they?” We build upon that with a movie that acknowledges that superhero movies have affected pop culture.

I had a buddy who tried getting me into "normal" comic books, but I was all like, "No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me."​

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“I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman,” said Snyder. “I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

Zack Snyder Says He Tried to "Grow Up" Superman In "Man of Steel"

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Snyder took a shot at the Marvel Universe in an interview with The Daily Beast. While addressing Steven Spielberg’s comments that “there will be a time when the superhero movie goes the way of the Western,” the filmmaker said Marvel heroes are a dime a dozen.

“I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman,” Snyder said while promoting Doritos’ final Super Bowl filmmaking contest. “They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man — not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?”

"I kinda came to the conclusion, also that they couldn't really talk in their suits- umm...with any credibility, you know what i mean? You cant image suits... Like, when they're in their suits, it was impossible, we tried. Its just one of those things that you, you know, more than four or five lines and you start to notice ; "wit these are two guys dressed up- one guy's dressed up like a bat and the other one has a big red S on his chest, they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other.' it's just, you can, you know, it's a dangerous thing, you know? because it just gets....yeah."

Zack Snyder on BvS the superheroes lack of dialogue

Superheroes talking in costume for more than five lines is silly

Superman is genetically predisposed to want to wear a cape

A THOR MOVIE? IN THE CURRENT YEAR?

Ant-Man is a flavor of the week, Superman and Batman are transcendent!

The Galactic Empire caused a lot of destruction, then so can Superman.

Batman of manslaughter.

Nolan's Batman kills too and I have the youtube video that proves it.

The popular notion that Batman doesn't kill comes from Tim Burton's movies.

Batman totally killed people in The Dark Knight Returns

Spoiler

There's no place for Jimmy Olsen in the DCEU, let's turn him into a CIA agent and shoot him in the head. Incidentally, book Black General, Asian Major and Indian Daily Planet assistant for my entire trilogy. Squeeze in a Not-Snowden cameo too.

I don't even know what that thing with the Flash was all about, it just looked cool.

B-bbbut but but the Avengers destroyed their city too...

The true Superman fans will like my movie, everyone else is too stupid to get them.

Nobody is having sex or killing each other in this comic, BORING

 

[MrSinnister]

Zack Snyder over the years....

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That's why it's poisonous to the spirit and innovation to listen to cynical, elitist feminine White dudes.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Zack Snyder over the years....

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Bu-bu-bu-but "fandom"

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

I get where she's coming from. A lot of these Marvel fan boy reviewers just couldn't keep BvS out of their mouths even when reviewing Civil War. I can see it being trivial to complain about, but at the same time, why should the comparison be made for a film from a different franchise over something like Age of Ultron which is within the same franchise or comparing it to Winter Soldier which is its supposed direct sequel. In other words, why even mention BvS unless it is a hard-on to continue trash it for no reason? The review should be about Civil War and the comparison should be related to previous Marvel films.

Which basically proves her point.