Your least favorite hip hop narratives

[Tommy Gibbs]

I’ll bite: “The south killed hip hop”

I agree. I don't think the south killed hip hop, the lack of a regional sound is what killed hip hop. I love wresting. I was watching wrestling in the early 80s before I got into hip hop in 1984. There were a LOT of different wrestling federation and territories as Jim Cornette constantly explains on his podcast. He always says that when Vince Mcmahan killed the territory, that hurt wrestling. I say the same thing about hip hop. Back in the day, you knew the east coast sound, southern sound, west coast, midwest, etc.. Regions didn't have 1 sound because the south had bass, bounce, and others. The west had their gfunk and others. The east had a variety, but we knew.. Each coast had their slang. Now with artists coming out, I don't know where the fukk these guys are from until they state it because everyone sounds alike.

 

[28 Gramz]

NY was firmly on top of the rap world from 1997-2003 though. And most of the top artists far as sales and acclaim were elite or close to it aside from dudes like Puff and Ja who weren't really taken seriously as artists.

No Limit's run as a national factor started in 1997 and was basically over by the end of 1999.

That's not true. 99-00 belonged to Dre/Eminem/Snoop just as much as any of the NY acts, Cash Money was also just as big as any wave from the east coast in those same years. By the time 2001-03 came Nelly and Ludacris were the top sellers in the game until 50 Cent came out.

 

[Cladyclad]

Mafiaso rap

wtf is that?

dmx killing shiny suit era

 

[ball15life]

"it's only entertainment"

 

[Mike Wins]

Biggie saved the east coast when Death Row and the west were on top. That bullshyt has been spread for almost 30 years. When Death row first blew up with the chronic , Onyx had come out and went platinumm masta ace released a dope album that got spins, Wutang and Tribe in 93.. Then Snoop dropped a classic debut. After that, Nas dropped Ilmatic a few months later, Jeru's debut, and there were a lot of albums in between that. And some of them sold well. So Biggie did NOT bring the east coast back as the myth states

Agree that the East Coast coming back was a movement, from the underground, to the gold and platinum level, but BIG was the face of it.

I can say as someone who was on the West Coast during this period and didn't get heavily into East Coast shyt until late 1994 and into 1995, BIG was the superstar and the face of East Coast hip hop after Juicy and Big Poppa took off. He was the face of the movement. Nobody else really approached that level until Nas in summer of '96.

But one act that always gets slept on in these conversations is Naughty By Nature. They got a lot of play out west.

 

[28 Gramz]

dmx killing shiny suit era

Nah, this actually happened. After Puff and Mase run in 97, DMX came out and NY got back on their grimey shyt. Look no further than Jay's transition from the Sunshine video to the Hard Knock Life era.

 

[Mastamimd]

GOAT conversations are played out.

Are you saying they're played out or that this is a bad narrative?

 

[Cladyclad]

Nah, this actually happened. After Puff and Mase run in 97, DMX came out and NY got back on their grimey shyt. Look no further than Jay's transition from the Sunshine video to the Hard Knock Life era.

Rap got even more commercial after X. Hell his Party Up hit played a big part in this

 

[King Sun]

Are you saying they're played out or that this is a bad narrative?

Bad narrative too because people GOATS can range from Souija to Slim to Fab

 

[Mike Wins]

That's not true. 99-00 belonged to Dre/Eminem/Snoop just as much as any of the NY acts, Cash Money was also just as big as any wave from the east coast in those same years. By the time 2001-03 came Nelly and Ludacris were the top sellers in the game until 50 Cent came out.

I'm talking collectively. The biggest act at any given time might have been from elsewhere but it overall? Nobody was touching NY. Yeah Eminem and Nelly were the biggest selling acts but who else from Detroit and St. Louis was popping? NY had BIG, Wu, Puff, Mase, Busta, DMX, Jay, Lauryn Hill, Big Pun, Nas, Redman, Ja Rule, 50, all nationally recognized stars during that time frame dropping multiple platinum plus albums not to mention all the acts that were maybe a cut below that popularity wise but were still nationally known with platinum plus albums like Mobb Deep and Lox

 

[King Sun]

I agree. I don't think the south killed hip hop, the lack of a regional sound is what killed hip hop. I love wresting. I was watching wrestling in the early 80s before I got into hip hop in 1984. There were a LOT of different wrestling federation and territories as Jim Cornette constantly explains on his podcast. He always says that when Vince Mcmahan killed the territory, that hurt wrestling. I say the same thing about hip hop. Back in the day, you knew the east coast sound, southern sound, west coast, midwest, etc.. Regions didn't have 1 sound because the south had bass, bounce, and others. The west had their gfunk and others. The east had a variety, but we knew.. Each coast had their slang. Now with artists coming out, I don't know where the fukk these guys are from until they state it because everyone sounds alike.

Another bad narrative is the south killed hip hop but in reality what killed hip hop was the major black labels closing or merging with distributors.

 

[Deltron]

hip-hop is dead since (insert year here)

shyt's annoying...there's good hip-hop out there, old and new

 

[spliz]

2pac wasn't a superstar before Death Row

Ohh this is a big one right here. nikkas talkin bout no one cared about a Pac album before AEOM. shyt is a joke. nikka knocked out Bruce Springsteen out of the top slot with MATW.

 

[spliz]

I agree. I don't think the south killed hip hop, the lack of a regional sound is what killed hip hop. I love wresting. I was watching wrestling in the early 80s before I got into hip hop in 1984. There were a LOT of different wrestling federation and territories as Jim Cornette constantly explains on his podcast. He always says that when Vince Mcmahan killed the territory, that hurt wrestling. I say the same thing about hip hop. Back in the day, you knew the east coast sound, southern sound, west coast, midwest, etc.. Regions didn't have 1 sound because the south had bass, bounce, and others. The west had their gfunk and others. The east had a variety, but we knew.. Each coast had their slang. Now with artists coming out, I don't know where the fukk these guys are from until they state it because everyone sounds alike.

Big facts.

 

[Mastamimd]

Kanye West has one of the best discographies in hip hop is one of the worst imo. If we stopped at MBDTF I might agree, but Ye, JIK, Yeezus, and the Dondas are all in the decent to mid of not worse range.