You know it's inevitable... The Batman V Superman SPOILER Discussion Thread

lutha

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Dude, he literally fires a machine gun at the gas tank of flamethrower guy. It explodes. That guy is fukking dead.:russ:

no shyt, I've sad time and time again that's the only person you can say he killed intentionally (him and the dude in the room with him).....but that's it, the rest was batman being batman...

but let's compare that to a couple examples in the burton films: batman put dynamite in a dude's pants and pushed him down a hole; also, dropped a bomb off in between a dude's legs in a building full of people.....but yea, yall keep bytching/complaining about batman doesn't do things like that lol...
 
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I explained in the post you replied to. If you don't want to accept it or disagree that is on you but I am not going to get into some drawn out back and forth with you since your mind is made up so completely.

you're right, let's stop arguing.

maybe we can find some common ground, what's your mother's name. :dead:
 

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Anybody else think it's possible for Knyazev to come back in full KGBeast gear. Possibly needing it to live. No body means no death as far as I'm concerned.
 

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I think you REALLY wasn't paying attention at all.

1. Yes, Superman killed that one African terrorist leader. It was a HUGE deal that set-up the entire plot. Not only was it acknowledge, the ENTIRE SENATE hearing was about that.

2. The movie has one of the simplest plots, but a lot of depth. The plot is simple: Does Earth need someone who is a God in man's image. Lex Luthor views Superman as the ultimate threat to mankind's existence and want Superman out of existence by way of using Batman. That is it. Everything else is subplots that links Luthor being behind everything just to set up the demise of Superman.

3. Wonder Woman's purpose was a subplot to introduce the Justice League. Lex was searching for other metahumans and discovered files on her. She learned about this and wants to get them back because she didn't want to be exposed.

4. Lex Luthor had one motivation. To kill Superman, not just physically, but also what he represented symbolically to people. That's the reason behind the staged African massacre, the suicide bombing at the Senate, and getting the military and government approved exclusive access to Supergirl's ship and Zod's body. As well as manipulating both Batman and Superman to have an automatic dislike, especially with Batman who was determined to end Superman for those same reasons that Luthor believed, but the only difference is Batman wants to kill Superman to save humanity, whereas Luthor wants it for his own selfish desire. Luthor is a narcissist with a superiority complex and even the idea of a God that can rule over man rubs him the wrong way. He takes self-gratification in a man being able to kill or control God. He explains his rationale plenty of times, not just to Superman, but as well as to Senator Finch.

5. The movie IS supposed to be about him, but it is mostly through the perspectives of everyone else. So, of course he wouldn't have many dialogue. This film is an theologian analogy to the Passion of Christ in which Jesus comes in and claims to be a savior of mankind, the people have mixed feelings about him, he's been judged, he is crucified, and in the end it is hinted to his resurrection. The parallels to this and Jesus are quite blatant. So, of course it doesn't have heavy dialogue from Superman himself, it doesn't it... it mostly from everyone else's POV.

6. Batman had every reason to see Superman as a threat. a.) he was there at ground zero and witnessed his own financial building destroyed and his employees killed or paralyzed. b.) he gets a vision and a warning about Superman and how a world under his totalitarian rule would look like (implying the whole INJUSTICE narrative). c.) he discovered the return checks by his former employee with Lex making it look like his former employee didn't have his back then seeing the Capitol building explode with Superman in it. He had motives. And, as suggested by Alfred, since the learning of Superman's existence and how it affected innocent lives that Bruce personally saw get killed, Batman's brutality increase to having zero-fukks. There's no evidence of him bring a killing machine prior to Superman. And even when the sex slave trader was caught... he didn't kill him, just branded him and that was the 1st time Clark heard of Batman's actions and ethics. And not only that, the dream/vision sequence was from an alternate timeline. Lastly, he never went out to try to kill people with the purpose to kill people with the exception of Superman because he firmly believe he needed to be dead. The car chase scene was mostly either incidental or by trafficker's own fault. The warehouse scene... he didn't really kill ANYONE intentionally. He didn't go in there guns blazing on some Punisher shyt. The people who were killed was when dude fell on his own grenade, those who self-inflicted their own deaths, and the head Russian holding Martha Kent which, BTW is literally straight from Frank Miller's TDKR graphic novel and even with that Batman didn't shot him point blank. He shot at the flame torch and that exploded into flames....without truly confirmation of if dude was dead or have extreme degree burns. He's brutal, he's doesn't give a fucck anymore but it's not out seeking to kill with that being the 1st thought.

7. You saying Superman Returns... a movie with zero action. The worst story plot ever in comic book history. And a force-fed love note to Richard Donner. You lose points for that alone.

8. The warehouse scene wasn't shown just a little bit in the trailer, not the full entire thing.

9. Lets start with the fact that Superman was holding back in the fight against Batman. But Superman used his hearing A LOT... he used his speed to get from point A to point B a lot. He definitely used his laser vision which is his deadliest weapon a lot. So what are you talking about? Who CARES if he didn't use his cooling breathe? What purpose would it serve? Lastly, it is very much implied that he used his X-ray vision a number of times. Afterall, it is how he knew who Batman was.

10. Superman used his speed to get anywhere at a blink of an eye. He is capable of all the things you said, except he CANNOT see or hear through LEAD not that means anything. What he also cannot do is read minds. How the hell could he know where his mom IS? Saying to use so-called super hearing. It DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. It's not like he can hear everything everywhere. Even that has limits. That's like Quinn telling Han "We could use the FORCE"... dummy... it doesn't work like that.

11. Again, if he was to find where his mother was within time... she would of been killed. PERIOD. It was that simple. Plus, you dismiss the fact that Lex had a contingency plan and was creating doomsday already and he was using Superman to buy that extra time if Batman wasn't able to do the job.

12. Again, Superman didn't want to fight Batman to begin with. 2nd of all, Batman was in his protective suit that prevents him getting knocked out, and lastly he had extra rounds of Kryptonite gas grenades to ensure Superman can be out of commission. Other words, Batman had PREP-TIME.

13. The Knightmare scene is arguably one of the most important foreshadowing scenes implying INJUSTICE being part of the upcoming Justice League movie.

14. So, the African massacre, the Senate bombing, the Flash visions, the metahuman files, oh and the DEATH OF SUPERMAN is all from the trailers. Okay.

15. Again, not even paying attention Bruce stated the Superman coffin is empty. And the conversation is straight corn? How? Because Bruce told Diana that they need to recruit for form a Justice League due to his own foreshadowed predictions to what's to come?

16. And there it is.... Marvel stan boyisms. But you WB still got your money! :umad:
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Fans are coming away praising batman yet completely ignoring that this version is a dumb brute. His hatred towards superman is completely misguided and overblown and you would think such a smart and rational character (in the comics and cartoons at least) would investigate first before arriving at such a conclusion. but no, this guy who seems to be doing only good things (and saving the world from the alien that killed his friend)... must be destroyed immediately and he's going to make it his life's ambition.

If this batman were POTUS he'd nuke every country on earth because there's a 1% chance they could be our enemy.


unless of course it's revealed their mother has the same name...
Batman is a dumb brute who infiltrated one of the most powerful corporations in the world and came up with a plan to successfully win a fight against A god:dwillhuh:

Y'all ninjas man:russ:
 

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He realized that Superman wasn't the monster he built him up to be in his head. At a moment when Superman was basically defenseless and about to be killed all Supes cared about was for Batman to make sure he went and saved Ma Kent right after shoving that spear in Superman's chest.
It really isn't that hard of a concept tpo grasp unless you are being obtuse on purpose.
For the first time he was humanizing to Bruce. It ain't complicated
 
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I explained in the post you replied to. If you don't want to accept it or disagree that is on you but I am not going to get into some drawn out back and forth with you since your mind is made up so completely.

why did batman wanna kill superman then?

:ohhh:"he loves his mother? maybe he can be trusted"

:ehh:"i guess now the chances of him killing us all are less than 1%. i was wrong sir, take this dap + rep and let's go take down luthor."
 

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no shyt, I've sad time and time again that's the only person you can say he killed intentionally (him and the dude in the room with him).....but that's it, the rest was batman being batman...

but let's compare that to a couple examples in the burton films: batman put dynamite in a dude's pants and pushed him down a hole; also, dropped a bomb off in between a dude's legs in a building full of people.....but yea, yall keep bytching/complaining about batman doesn't do things like that lol...

During the Batmobile chase he fired his machine guns constantly at the guys he was pursuing, breh.:russ:
 

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During the Batmobile chase he fired his machine guns constantly at the guys he was pursuing, breh.:russ:

he's done that in movies since the burton films....really, did yall think all the cars he's blown up & flipped over, all the buildings he's destroyed, all the goons he's shot at while in the batmobile, etc. in the movies before this were all empty or that the people magically survived?...lol no.....that's why this critique talking point of the movie is bullshyt...
 

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he's done that in movies since the burton films....really, did yall think all the cars he's blown up & flipped over, all the buildings he's destroyed, all the goons he's shot at while in the batmobile, etc. in the movies before this were all empty or that the people magically survived?...lol no.....that's why this critique talking point of the movie is bullshyt...

It's not my complaint because they don't pretend he's got a rule against killing here, just pointing out he definitely does kill people here despite some people acting like it's "ambiguous".
 

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It's not my complaint because they don't pretend he's got a rule against killing here, just pointing out he definitely does kill people here despite some people acting like it's "ambiguous".

ok....I haven't denied he did kill people....but that shyt falls under 'batman being batman' in the movies...that's why I don't understand why people making a big deal of it now...it's really a huge talking point (doing interviews and articles about it)...
 
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