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This is the very real thing. And it’s obvious.

See here is the problem with it:

1) The people he has surrounded himself with refuse to say no. They know this is very much a consequence of this situation, but they feel they are easily replaceable by someone willing to do the dirty work to keep the grift going.

2) The media and banking class outright refuse to acknowledge this out loud because they want access to his administration and know that saying this will piss him off.

3) His followers largely don’t know what that means for them personally or in terms of the economy. This is what happens when as a society you’ve never been on the other side of things and refuse to understand why.

This should be the alarm bell that this does not strengthen the dollar, therefore devaluing our currency within the US, exacerbating the government debt situation, weakening US businesses, while other countries have been looking for this opportunity for a long time…… but people want you think that

A) If you stop or get rid of Trump it will go back to normal
B) The world will want to go back to America has the leader of the world

The damage is done. And so fukk em for continuing to hedge with Trump.

And so when people wonder why they lost their job because their company has to operate with other currencies to make trade happen or can’t throw around dollars overseas when traveling or inflation forces them into despair, they will double and triple down again.

The nuclear option China could take in trade war with the US
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Retaliatory tariffs may only be the beginning of Beijing’s counter attack

Melissa Lawford
President Xi Jinping is looking to turns the screws on Donald Trump
President Xi Jinping is turning the screws on Donald Trump Credit: Kevin Lamarque/REUTERS
President Xi Jinping is on the offensive. China’s surprise announcement of 34pc retaliatory tariffs on US goods triggered a fresh wave of stock market falls on Monday.

“Beijing saw the way things are going and thought this might well be the opportune moment to apply more critical pressure on the US,” says Duncan Wrigley, chief China economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics.

The US-China stand-off triggered a 13.2pc fall in the Hong Kong’s Hang Seng index on Monday, the largest one-day move since 1997, and China’s CSI300 blue-chip index also fell 7pc.

China’s foreign ministry has labelled Donald Trump’s tariffs “economic bullying” – but the big question now is how much more is to come from Beijing?

In theory, Xi is sitting on a potentially nuclear option as he turns the screws on Trump.

China is the second-largest holder of US debt, known as treasuries, in the world. If it opted to dump this government debt, the blow to the US would be seismic.

According to the US Treasury, in January, China held $761bn (£592bn) in American government bonds. This was second only to Japan (which holds more than $1 trillion) and nearly a tenth of all foreign-held US government debt.

Robin Brooks, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, says the real figure is even higher – likely around $1 trillion – after accounting for the unknown sums that China holds via custody accounts in Europe.

If China embarked on a mass sale of its US treasuries, the value of the debt would plunge and yields would soar. This would drive up US government borrowing costs and hammer the public finances in a highly destabilising move.

But the scenario is highly unlikely, not least because the pain for China would be huge.

Marcello Estevão, chief economist at the Institute for International Finance (IIF), says: “It would be self-defeating because it would very much hurt China.”

Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics, says: “China dumping treasuries would be the equivalent of lobbing a hand grenade at someone sitting across from you in a room.”

Trump would get hit, but Xi would be burned too.

Economic self-harm

The Chinese state and its banks own around $3 trillion in dollar assets. “That’s roughly the value of UK GDP,” says Williams. “There is no way to offload $3 trillion of assets in a hurry.”

If China started selling, it would trigger a plunge in dollar values, immediately hammering the value of all of its remaining dollar holdings. And China would not have many options for what it could do with the proceeds of what it did sell, says Williams.

“If it brings them back to China, the renminbi appreciates,” says Williams. This would make China’s exports far more expensive for the rest of the world, hitting its ability to export.

Moreover, the economic self-harm in China would potentially be for nothing, as the US Federal Reserve would step in to stop the damage in the US before it could really get started.

“In the worst-case scenario that China announces they’re going to sell their treasury holdings, for sure, yields in the market would spike. It would be a huge shock, but the Fed would very quickly come in and basically do a massive QE [quantitative easing] programme and push yields all the way back down,” says Brooks.

“The weapon that China has is basically to tighten US financial conditions and tank the US economy. But given that the Fed can step in, that weapon just isn’t very credible.”

The pandemic offers a playbook for the action the central bank could take.

Back in March 2020, as emerging market central banks sold off Treasuries because they had to make interventions at home to support their currencies, yields on US treasuries rocketed from 0.5pc to 1.2pc within a week.

“I think that kind of magnitude is probably a lower bound for what would happen if China did announce something – not that I believe they will,” says Brooks.

Back then, the Fed stepped in swiftly to purchase around $1.2 trillion in US treasuries to bring yields back down.

However, an aggressive Fed quantitative easing programme could mean major losses for the central bank further down the line if inflation picks up, as is likely in the US in response to Trump’s tariffs.

But this would not be worth it for China, particularly also considering that the US could also follow up with its own nuclear options, says Wrigley.

“It could impose sanctions on China in the way it did on Russia to stop Chinese banks accessing dollars,” he says.

The impact on global trade would be unthinkable. But up until Wednesday, for many market analysts, so was the prospect of the trade tariffs Donald Trump has just imposed.
 

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Id presume economic closer ties to latin America would be more politicaly feasible.

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Yes, the EU-Mercosur trade agreement has been in the final stages for the past year. The Trump Taxes® will definitely accelerate its signature if not already.
 

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probably going to be a recession a lot of Americans haven't been spending money as it is and this will compound it

I had a few cancellations today, I'm getting the beginning of covid vibes

just have to laugh I guess

what do you do that's getting cancelled?
 

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Id presume economic closer ties to latin America would be more politicaly feasible.

China has been doing some crazy sabotage in their infrastructure networks and stealing IP through hacking. China isnt any more of a friend to Europe than Russia

Look at exports to the EU from China vs Latin AM . . . would barely shift the needle moving closer to them. China will be more of a friend than Trumps US is for the foreseeable :dead:
 

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Trump says EU must buy $350B of US energy to get tariff relief

Brussels’ zero-for-zero tariff offer not enough, U.S. president says, but indicates he’s open to a deal if the bloc commits to closing the trade deficit in goods.

April 8, 2025 3:21 am CET
By Zoya Sheftalovich

The European Union will have to commit to buying $350 billion of American energy to get a reprieve from Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs, the U.S. president said late Monday, dismissing Brussels' offer of "zero-for-zero" tariffs on cars and industrial goods.

Trump's comments at a White House press conference were in response to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen saying earlier Monday that the EU had offered to drop the bloc's tariffs to zero on cars and industrial goods imported from the U.S. if Trump reciprocated.

Asked by a reporter whether the offer was enough for him to back down, Trump said: "No, it's not."

"We have a deficit with the European Union of $350 billion and it's gonna disappear fast," Trump said. "One of the ways that that can disappear easily and quickly is they're gonna have to buy our energy from us ... they can buy it, we can knock off $350 billion in one week. They have to buy and commit to buy a like amount of energy."

Von der Leyen’s offer came after Trump last week slapped 20 percent tariffs on the EU and a minimum 10 percent levy on other trade partners. In response, financial markets across the world have lost trillions of dollars in value, with European stocks on Monday suffering their biggest one-day falls since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

"A lot of people say, 'Oh, it doesn't mean anything having a surplus.' It means a lot, in my opinion. It's almost like a profit or loss statement," Trump said.

The president was speaking in the Oval Office Monday alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who traveled to Washington to hold talks with Trump and seek relief from the U.S. tariffs. In comments to the press after the meeting, the American president doubled down on his criticism of the EU but indicated he was up for doing a deal with the bloc, as long as it committed to closing its trade deficit with the U.S. by buying more American energy.

The idea of buying U.S. energy in a bid to stave off tariffs is not a new one. Almost as soon as Trump was reelected, von der Leyen suggested opening negotiations to buy more American liquefied natural gas (LNG). But POLITICO reported that the U.S. had, in response, offered no clarity about how a deal would work.

On Monday, asked whether his global tariffs were a strong-arm negotiation tactic or permanent, Trump said: "There can be permanent tariffs and there can also be negotiations, because there are things we need beyond tariffs."

He added: "If we can make a really fair deal and a good deal for the United States, not a good deal for others, this is America first. It's now America first."

Later in the press conference, a reporter asked Trump whether there were two or three countries on his list that he felt were further along in getting their tariffs lowered, and Trump name-checked the EU: "European Union. I mean as badly as they've treated us, they've brought their car tariffs essentially off. I guess they brought it down to 2.5 and I hear maybe to nothing."

But he also indicated that he wanted the EU to reduce its standards to allow more U.S. goods to enter its market, referring to safety measures as "non-monetary tariffs."

"It's tariffs where they put things on where they make it impossible for you to sell a car ... they make it so difficult, the standards and the tests," Trump said. "They come up with rules and regulations that are just designed for one reason: that you can't sell your product in those countries. And we're not gonna let that happen. Those are called non-monetary barriers."

In an indication of what is driving Trump's actions, the president harked back to a time when U.S. tariffs were sky high.

"You know our country was the strongest from 1870 to 1913," Trump said. "You know why? It was all tariff-based. We had no income tax. Then in 1913, some genius came up with the idea of let's charge the people of our country, not foreign countries that are ripping off our country."

Last year, the EU imported 375B worth of energy (including American imports)...
 
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