"You get a tariff, you get a tariff, everybody gets a tariff !" - Official Trump Taxes® thread

☑︎#VoteDemocrat

The Original
WOAT
Supporter
Joined
Dec 9, 2012
Messages
317,576
Reputation
-34,173
Daps
626,533
Reppin
The Deep State
This is the very real thing. And it’s obvious.

See here is the problem with it:

1) The people he has surrounded himself with refuse to say no. They know this is very much a consequence of this situation, but they feel they are easily replaceable by someone willing to do the dirty work to keep the grift going.

2) The media and banking class outright refuse to acknowledge this out loud because they want access to his administration and know that saying this will piss him off.

3) His followers largely don’t know what that means for them personally or in terms of the economy. This is what happens when as a society you’ve never been on the other side of things and refuse to understand why.

This should be the alarm bell that this does not strengthen the dollar, therefore devaluing our currency within the US, exacerbating the government debt situation, weakening US businesses, while other countries have been looking for this opportunity for a long time…… but people want you think that

A) If you stop or get rid of Trump it will go back to normal
B) The world will want to go back to America has the leader of the world

The damage is done. And so fukk em for continuing to hedge with Trump.

And so when people wonder why they lost their job because their company has to operate with other currencies to make trade happen or can’t throw around dollars overseas when traveling or inflation forces them into despair, they will double and triple down again.

The nuclear option China could take in trade war with the US
Summarize
Retaliatory tariffs may only be the beginning of Beijing’s counter attack

Melissa Lawford
President Xi Jinping is looking to turns the screws on Donald Trump
President Xi Jinping is turning the screws on Donald Trump Credit: Kevin Lamarque/REUTERS
President Xi Jinping is on the offensive. China’s surprise announcement of 34pc retaliatory tariffs on US goods triggered a fresh wave of stock market falls on Monday.

“Beijing saw the way things are going and thought this might well be the opportune moment to apply more critical pressure on the US,” says Duncan Wrigley, chief China economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics.

The US-China stand-off triggered a 13.2pc fall in the Hong Kong’s Hang Seng index on Monday, the largest one-day move since 1997, and China’s CSI300 blue-chip index also fell 7pc.

China’s foreign ministry has labelled Donald Trump’s tariffs “economic bullying” – but the big question now is how much more is to come from Beijing?

In theory, Xi is sitting on a potentially nuclear option as he turns the screws on Trump.

China is the second-largest holder of US debt, known as treasuries, in the world. If it opted to dump this government debt, the blow to the US would be seismic.

According to the US Treasury, in January, China held $761bn (£592bn) in American government bonds. This was second only to Japan (which holds more than $1 trillion) and nearly a tenth of all foreign-held US government debt.

Robin Brooks, senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, says the real figure is even higher – likely around $1 trillion – after accounting for the unknown sums that China holds via custody accounts in Europe.

If China embarked on a mass sale of its US treasuries, the value of the debt would plunge and yields would soar. This would drive up US government borrowing costs and hammer the public finances in a highly destabilising move.

But the scenario is highly unlikely, not least because the pain for China would be huge.

Marcello Estevão, chief economist at the Institute for International Finance (IIF), says: “It would be self-defeating because it would very much hurt China.”

Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics, says: “China dumping treasuries would be the equivalent of lobbing a hand grenade at someone sitting across from you in a room.”

Trump would get hit, but Xi would be burned too.

Economic self-harm

The Chinese state and its banks own around $3 trillion in dollar assets. “That’s roughly the value of UK GDP,” says Williams. “There is no way to offload $3 trillion of assets in a hurry.”

If China started selling, it would trigger a plunge in dollar values, immediately hammering the value of all of its remaining dollar holdings. And China would not have many options for what it could do with the proceeds of what it did sell, says Williams.

“If it brings them back to China, the renminbi appreciates,” says Williams. This would make China’s exports far more expensive for the rest of the world, hitting its ability to export.

Moreover, the economic self-harm in China would potentially be for nothing, as the US Federal Reserve would step in to stop the damage in the US before it could really get started.

“In the worst-case scenario that China announces they’re going to sell their treasury holdings, for sure, yields in the market would spike. It would be a huge shock, but the Fed would very quickly come in and basically do a massive QE [quantitative easing] programme and push yields all the way back down,” says Brooks.

“The weapon that China has is basically to tighten US financial conditions and tank the US economy. But given that the Fed can step in, that weapon just isn’t very credible.”

The pandemic offers a playbook for the action the central bank could take.

Back in March 2020, as emerging market central banks sold off Treasuries because they had to make interventions at home to support their currencies, yields on US treasuries rocketed from 0.5pc to 1.2pc within a week.

“I think that kind of magnitude is probably a lower bound for what would happen if China did announce something – not that I believe they will,” says Brooks.

Back then, the Fed stepped in swiftly to purchase around $1.2 trillion in US treasuries to bring yields back down.

However, an aggressive Fed quantitative easing programme could mean major losses for the central bank further down the line if inflation picks up, as is likely in the US in response to Trump’s tariffs.

But this would not be worth it for China, particularly also considering that the US could also follow up with its own nuclear options, says Wrigley.

“It could impose sanctions on China in the way it did on Russia to stop Chinese banks accessing dollars,” he says.

The impact on global trade would be unthinkable. But up until Wednesday, for many market analysts, so was the prospect of the trade tariffs Donald Trump has just imposed.
 

Liu Kang

KING KILLAYAN MBRRRAPPÉ
Supporter
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
13,840
Reputation
5,533
Daps
30,251
Id presume economic closer ties to latin America would be more politicaly feasible.

...
Yes, the EU-Mercosur trade agreement has been in the final stages for the past year. The Trump Taxes® will definitely accelerate its signature if not already.
 

Big Jo

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
7,320
Reputation
1,336
Daps
17,270
Reppin
NULL
probably going to be a recession a lot of Americans haven't been spending money as it is and this will compound it

I had a few cancellations today, I'm getting the beginning of covid vibes

just have to laugh I guess

what do you do that's getting cancelled?
 
Top