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im sorry, but why are we talking about the off field issues when there is a Time Magazine cover of a kid who died on a football field? 
Y'all Think It's Hyperbole, But Football is at a True Crisis Point
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I think a bunch of you are missing my point. The TIME cover story has nothing to do with domestic violence. The domestic abuse and child abuse publicity certainly doesn't help though. Overall, the point is that several aspects of the NFL - all of which are interconnected - are under very public scrutiny and attack. The prudent move is to rebrand, which typically appeases an angry public. Which is why I'm baffled the owners haven't done some backroom-dealing to move Goodell into a cush, behind the scenes role so he publicly resigns. The arrogance - of the NFL and Goodell - is exactly the sort of thing that sinks ventures that seem - as does the NFL - unsinkable. It's as if they've become so drunk off their absurd influence (controlling how media reports on them, even when it comes to criminal activity on behalf of players and owners alike, labeling themselves a non-profit, fleecing the public through breast cancer awareness schemes with minimal blowback, etc) they completely abandoned the notion of practical wisdom, which would allow for short term setbacks and concessions in order to ensure the long term con goes as planned. They're doing the opposite. And no, football ain't gonna disappear this season, nor next, nor 5 years from now. But the momentum is building, and without addressing that momentum keenly there will be significant repercussions sooner than a lot of you think.
Ronnie Lott
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What have they been saying that could tear down the NFL? I haven't really been paying too much attention to them..Adam Shefter, mark schlerith, jamele hill, Hanna storm,
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I think that is what is getting lost in this....that the people complaining and driving the story...don't watch football...are not consumers of the sports...the nfl makes no money from them and thus does not care about them...
People act like for all the Ray Rice stuff...you can catch interviews of women at a ravens game with ray rice jerseys on saying "i am still going to support ray and support the ravens because i like the team and football...yeah i saw the tape so what"
People act like there were not a ton of folks at the Vikings game last week with Adrian Peterson jerseys on.
People act like the NFL hasn't turned Thursday into Monday night football...
I see Anheuser Busch didn't pull any advertising...because they know the second that they do every beer company in the world will be lined up to throw 100 of millions of dollars at the NFL's feet.
Even more importantly...Obama is right on the verge of getting George Bushed into a war with ISIL/ISIS and so when that happens the national media...the CNN's of the world, Fox News of the world...will pretty much overnight stop talking about what is going on in the NFL...and so the only people left to consume these NFL abuse stories will be people who watch the NFL...and they will not stop watching because of that.
I'm a woman and I'm an unapologetic football fan, both of the NFL and college football. While I am not condoning the domestic violence incidents that have occurred recently (especially since I have been a victim of domestic violence), the piling on is getting out of hand. What's stunning to me is that most of the piling on is being done by those who don't watch football in the first place!!
Ronnie Lott
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Shefter REALLY went in on the league when Ray Rice only got 2 games. He went on a 2 day diatrod on the lack of leadership and responsibility of Goodell and blah blah. Hanna Storm had an editorial segment of sports center the other day and said that she had to explain what ray rice did and all this other bullshyt.
shyt has gotten way out of control
Giants Gyros, have a taste of Greece before kickoffIt can be argued that the NFL at this point is bigger than any of the companies that it uses as an ad revenue source..
So if Budweiser says goodbye, the league makes a deal with Miller
If McDonalds taps out the league can run to Burger King
If Coke leaves they can be replaced with Pepsi..
I honestly think the NFL could open their own fast food chains at this point and compete with some of their sponsors. Just name each burger joint after each team in their states and serve the same cheap processed food that all these major corps do..
Packers Chicken all throughout Wis...
Bengals Burgers in Ohio
Bronco Brewery. Get your Broncos Beer!!!
etc..etc...
This thing is bigger than Nino Brown
Football is not going anywhere. I don't think some of you realized how deeply football is woven into the fabric of America. Yes, there will be tragedies like that young boy who died on the field, but please understand that this happens in all major sports:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...liams-dies-hit-in-head-with-baseball/2567169/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...baseball-article-1.961812#Spx4PMPTXB5SU3KQ.97
Football is a way of life in many communities. I mean it is so fukkin serious. And at the end of the day we all realize its a dangerous sport. But the sport itself will only become more and more popular. The attention it has gotten lately due to domestic/child abuse will fade away, especially when we educate ourselves about these crimes and understand that, based on percentages, there are going to be NFL players who commit these crimes. What are there like 1500 or more players? All men? Yeah, there are even more abusers in the league, believe that. And in all other occupations and industries too.
There will be bumps along the road, like with anything. But...Football. A'int. Goin. Anywhere.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...liams-dies-hit-in-head-with-baseball/2567169/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...baseball-article-1.961812#Spx4PMPTXB5SU3KQ.97
Football is a way of life in many communities. I mean it is so fukkin serious. And at the end of the day we all realize its a dangerous sport. But the sport itself will only become more and more popular. The attention it has gotten lately due to domestic/child abuse will fade away, especially when we educate ourselves about these crimes and understand that, based on percentages, there are going to be NFL players who commit these crimes. What are there like 1500 or more players? All men? Yeah, there are even more abusers in the league, believe that. And in all other occupations and industries too.
There will be bumps along the road, like with anything. But...Football. A'int. Goin. Anywhere.
there are no girls on the internet, t*ts or gtfo
jilla82
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this is a battle between people under educated/lower on the socioeconomic ladder & people that tend to have more money/education.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out whose going to win this war.
Lets be honest here...football players and the system have had free reign for a long time. They've been able to do what they want for the longest, w/o any consequences.
The concussions and Penn State issues were the tip of the iceberg.
Have any of you been around college players? A lot of them are straight up evil...and get away w/ things none of us could ever dream of. Same w/ the pros.
The culture is going to have to change if this sport is going to grow. You cant expect society to change, and football to stay the same.
Whats going to happen is football is going to be a sport for southerner poor people. There are going to be less and less kids coming up playing high school ball.
Honestly...would you want your kids to play football?
Why risk all those injuries when there are a ton of other options.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out whose going to win this war.
Lets be honest here...football players and the system have had free reign for a long time. They've been able to do what they want for the longest, w/o any consequences.
The concussions and Penn State issues were the tip of the iceberg.
Have any of you been around college players? A lot of them are straight up evil...and get away w/ things none of us could ever dream of. Same w/ the pros.
The culture is going to have to change if this sport is going to grow. You cant expect society to change, and football to stay the same.
Whats going to happen is football is going to be a sport for southerner poor people. There are going to be less and less kids coming up playing high school ball.
Honestly...would you want your kids to play football?
Why risk all those injuries when there are a ton of other options.
resurrection
By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War
Y'all really think it's all good just because the ratings are okay NOW? Shortsightedness has been the demise of MANY a business.. the NFL is not exempt. Think beyond today. Think about how much the media has shifted from reporting news to being the judge, jury, and executioners. They can bring down anyone. They brought down Joe fukking Paterno. If you think the NFL can't be brought down, you're nuts. The liberal/women/gay/etc. mob wields true power.
Also, y'all really think the product on the field hasn't changed? I've heard PLENTY of diehard fans say in the past couple years they barely even care about outcomes of games anymore, only watch their own teams (if they have nothing better to do with their families/wives/etc), feel no emotional investment in the game anymore, etc. due to how much the game has changed. The rule changes all benefiting the passing game, pandering to casual fans, high scoring, fantasy football, etc. is killing the game for the diehards. Of course the product on the field has changed. As a former addict of NFL football who would watch from the opening kick of the early games to 0:00 of SNF, I can't even be bothered unless I am doing nothing else or the Steelers are on.
Everything feels different now, and it's not just the violence or the game changing either. All the political/social issues being injected into the game, the saturation, the game feeling more about the show than the football. It's just hard to see it the same.
Football is definitely heading for a crisis, I agree 100% with Walt. It can only be saved with a new commissioner, A LOT less arrogance, distancing itself from the current off-the-field violence plaguing it, and distancing itself from the social/political issues and putting the focus back on the GAME.
Also, y'all really think the product on the field hasn't changed? I've heard PLENTY of diehard fans say in the past couple years they barely even care about outcomes of games anymore, only watch their own teams (if they have nothing better to do with their families/wives/etc), feel no emotional investment in the game anymore, etc. due to how much the game has changed. The rule changes all benefiting the passing game, pandering to casual fans, high scoring, fantasy football, etc. is killing the game for the diehards. Of course the product on the field has changed. As a former addict of NFL football who would watch from the opening kick of the early games to 0:00 of SNF, I can't even be bothered unless I am doing nothing else or the Steelers are on.
Everything feels different now, and it's not just the violence or the game changing either. All the political/social issues being injected into the game, the saturation, the game feeling more about the show than the football. It's just hard to see it the same.
Football is definitely heading for a crisis, I agree 100% with Walt. It can only be saved with a new commissioner, A LOT less arrogance, distancing itself from the current off-the-field violence plaguing it, and distancing itself from the social/political issues and putting the focus back on the GAME.
I just dont understand why people keep saying this. Everything loses popularity, everything goes numb at some point. EVERYTHING. I mean cmon man.
Everything dies. Hence the reason we dont have freaking gladiators anymore lol. Hence the reason that outside of Money Mayweather, most people dont give a shyt about boxing. Hence the reason that Baseball was NFL, and College FB was 1,000x more popular than pro football, but guess what? Time change.
I just dont think you are grasping "not as popular" vs "total implosion". No one is saying that there wont be an NFL. Hell, there will be a NFL for as long as I am alive. But that sh*t can easily be what boxing is today. People go watch but its totally dominated by the major sports.
Its ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be something 100% inforeseen and unplanned for. Who on earth ever couldve predicted that Blockbuster video would go under?? I mean they could adapt to anything - except for some new system that was created where people could watch movies over some space technology called the internet lol.
Could you have predicted that the music industry would have gone under because some 17 year old kid created an MP3 sharing service?
Could you have predicted that The Washington Post and other newspapers are now going obselete because people get info in thier hands via twitter and FB?
These little things you are ignoring are tearing the NFL down. When have you EVER seen so many players come out and say that they wont let thier kids play, or they dont want them to?
I am a fb fanatic, raised around the sport, played a very high level, and still involved in PROs and CFB more than I am willing to share here. There is a 100% shift in a lot of things you are ignoring, INCLUDING the talent.