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The Indian one? Yeah, that was shyt.
Yea that's the only episode I hate of tng. The Indian plot is pretty generic, but the thing that really pissed me off is Wesley.

That lil fakkit just suddenly has the ability to travel through time and space. Despite being human. And the alien traveler insists that Wesley was capable of it all along. Then he just disappears. And it's never brought up again. There was plenty of episodes after to address it.

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Yea that's the only episode I hate of tng. The Indian plot is pretty generic, but the thing that really pissed me off is Wesley.

That lil fakkit just suddenly has the ability to travel through time and space. Despite being human. And the alien traveler insists that Wesley was capable of it all along. Then he just disappears. And it's never brought up again. There was plenty of episodes after to address it.

The reason I don't like the Indian stuff is because the producer--Michael Piller--bought into this line of bullshyt put forth by this fake Indian guy, just a bunch of New Age garbage that had no connection to actual Native Americans. It was just nonsense. It's also the explanation for Chakotay.

I think the only episode I really dislike is Up the Long Ladder, because of all of the Irish shyt. The entirety of season one is awful, but I'll give them a mulligan on that one. And Conspiracy is great.

What did you think of Code of Honor?
 

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fukking Indians in that Wesley episode...SMH. Space is huge; get the fukk off that planet and stop trying to start a war. And then that old Indian trying to shame Picard by namedropping his ancestor.... :hhh: My family tree is full of criminals and degenerates. If I got into an argument and someone tried to bring up my sociopathic hobo great-great-grandfather, I wouldn't be impressed.
 

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The reason I don't like the Indian stuff is because the producer--Michael Piller--bought into this line of bullshyt put forth by this fake Indian guy, just a bunch of New Age garbage that had no connection to actual Native Americans. It was just nonsense. It's also the explanation for Chakotay.

I think the only episode I really dislike is Up the Long Ladder, because of all of the Irish shyt. The entirety of season one is awful, but I'll give them a mulligan on that one. And Conspiracy is great.

What did you think of Code of Honor?
Code of honor is like the only one I dislike more than Wesley's final episode :snoop:

It's one of the first episodes in season 1 so I kinda looked at them like :francis:

But I suppose the idea of a planet full of black people at the time in mainstream tv was quite a rare thing. Probably has hardly been done before or since.

But it's just done terribly. Cac writers I assume.

And why the hell he kidnapping lieutenant Yar. The one bytch that can beat his wife. Did he not SEE Deanna Troi? Any real black man taking Deanna over Yar 10/10 :laff:
 
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But it's just done terribly. Cac writers I assume.
And why the hell he kidnapping lieutenant Yar. The one bytch that can beat his wife. Did he not SEE Deanna Troi? Any real black man taking Deanna over Yar 10/10 :laff:

If I had to choose between first season Yar and first season Troi, I'm gonna have to go with Yar.

(Confession, though. I'm not black.)

Wil Wheaton claimed it was the director; that the script said nothing about an African aesthetic, and that the production design was all the director's idea. The director was actually shytcanned during production, but it was too late to go back to the drawing board. And if you look at the script, the only actual mention of race is the presence of four black guards.

"It ['Code of Honor'] was just a racist episode. Maybe not intentionally but it felt that way and looked that way. It was the third episode so it was fortuitous that we did our worst that early on and it never got quite that bad again."--Brent Spiner

"I can think of one [very weak episode] very early on that involved a race of black aliens that we all felt quite embarrassed about.""--Patrick Stewart

"Code of Honor was a racist piece of shyt."--Jonathan Frakes
 

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The reason I don't like the Indian stuff is because the producer--Michael Piller--bought into this line of bullshyt put forth by this fake Indian guy, just a bunch of New Age garbage that had no connection to actual Native Americans. It was just nonsense. It's also the explanation for Chakotay.

I think the only episode I really dislike is Up the Long Ladder, because of all of the Irish shyt. The entirety of season one is awful, but I'll give them a mulligan on that one. And Conspiracy is great.

What did you think of Code of Honor?
Man, what? :mjlol: I have no memory of this.
 

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Man, what? :mjlol: I have no memory of this.

It's true! It's true!

Piller was pals with Jamake "Jackie Marks" Highwater, who also consulted on the character of Chakotay. He pretended to be a Native American, but was 100% Ashkenazi Jew! So everytime you watch Voyager and see Chakotay, just know that it's some Jew's idea of a Native American.

Pretty fukking shameful.
 

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But I suppose the idea of a planet full of black people at the time in mainstream tv was quite a rare thing. Probably has hardly been done before or since.

JB, one more thing I wanted to touch on. The idea of a planet full of black people was new to TV, but DC actually had a character that came from an interdimensional island full of black people (more or less a planet, I guess).It wasn't received any better than Code of Honor!

"I kept getting stalled off [on adding a black character] and finally comes Tyroc. They might as well have named him Tyrone. Their explanation for why there were no black people [in the Legion of Superheroes] was that all the black people had gone to live on an island. It's possibly the most racist concept I've ever heard in my life...I mean, it's a segregationist's dream, right? So they named him Tyroc, and gave him the world's stupidest super-power."--Mike Grell
 

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It's true! It's true!

Piller was pals with Jamake "Jackie Marks" Highwater, who also consulted on the character of Chakotay. He pretended to be a Native American, but was 100% Ashkenazi Jew! So everytime you watch Voyager and see Chakotay, just know that it's some Jew's idea of a Native American.

Pretty fukking shameful.
Yeesh I didn't know this :picard:
 

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Man, what? :mjlol: I have no memory of this.
Journey's End" is the 172nd episode of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, and is the 20th episode of the seventh season.

The Federation has agreed to turn several colonized planets over to the Cardassians as part of a long-negotiated treaty. The Enterprise, among other Starfleet ships, is assigned the task of relocating these Federation colonists. Admiral Alynna Nechayev warns Captain Picard that the colonists of Dorvan V are Puebloan settlers that wanted to create a new home for their culture, and Picard is to remove them by any means necessary. Before the Enterprise sets off for Dorvan V, Wesley comes aboard on vacation from Starfleet Academy. However, his mother Dr. Crusher and his former crewmates find him snappish and depressed.

At Dorvan V, Picard negotiates with the tribal council, led by Anthwara. Picard suggests that they found three other nearby homeworlds with similar conditions, but Anthwara insists that they must stay at Dorvan V, as their ancestors had spent 200 years to find a world with the right spiritual properties, and believes it would take just as long to find another. Anthwara reveals that Picard's ancestors had been involved with the Pueblo Revolt in the 17th century and that he carries some of that guilt to try to sway the Captain, a thought that troubles Picard. Wesley, meanwhile, meets Lakanta, one of the colony's holy men, who instructs him to go on a vision quest. During this, Wesley talks to his long-dead father, Jack Crusher, who suggests that Wesley is bound for a different destiny than his own.

The Cardassians, led by Gul Evek, arrive ahead of schedule, and begin to assess the planet. Though they are peaceful, tensions among the Federation and colonists start to rise. Picard prepares his crew to transport the colonists to the Enterprise by force. Wesley overhears of the plan and incites the colonists to riot. Picard warns Wesley against his actions, prompting Wesley to quit Starfleet on the spot. Wesley has a heart-to-heart discussion with Dr. Crusher, telling her about the vision quest and that he never thought Starfleet was right for him. Dr. Crusher reminds him about the Traveler, who told her Wesley was special, and that he might be bound for better things, and regardless what he does, she will be proud of him.

On the surface, the colonists take some of the Cardassians hostage, and Picard and Gul Evek try to come to a solution. Gul Evek mentions that he has lost two sons to the war with the Federation and does not want to lose his last one. A fight breaks out on the surface and Wesley tries to stop it, but ends up freezing time. :mindblown:

Likanta reveals himself to be the Traveler and is ready to help mentor Wesley on his new path. Wesley agrees and the two depart; the fighting continues and the Cardassians suffer casualties. Gul Evek agrees to evacuate his people to end the fighting. Eventually, Anthwara states that the colonists have decided to forgo their Federation citizenship, and Gul Evek affirms the Cardassians will allow them to remain on the planet as their citizens. As the Enterprise returns to Federation space, Wesley says his goodbyes and leaves with the Traveler.
 

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It's true! It's true!

Piller was pals with Jamake "Jackie Marks" Highwater, who also consulted on the character of Chakotay. He pretended to be a Native American, but was 100% Ashkenazi Jew! So everytime you watch Voyager and see Chakotay, just know that it's some Jew's idea of a Native American.

Pretty fukking shameful.
:stopitslime::francis::gucci::mjtf::martin::dahell:
 

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Journey's End" is the 172nd episode of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, and is the 20th episode of the seventh season.

The Federation has agreed to turn several colonized planets over to the Cardassians as part of a long-negotiated treaty. The Enterprise, among other Starfleet ships, is assigned the task of relocating these Federation colonists. Admiral Alynna Nechayev warns Captain Picard that the colonists of Dorvan V are Puebloan settlers that wanted to create a new home for their culture, and Picard is to remove them by any means necessary. Before the Enterprise sets off for Dorvan V, Wesley comes aboard on vacation from Starfleet Academy. However, his mother Dr. Crusher and his former crewmates find him snappish and depressed.

At Dorvan V, Picard negotiates with the tribal council, led by Anthwara. Picard suggests that they found three other nearby homeworlds with similar conditions, but Anthwara insists that they must stay at Dorvan V, as their ancestors had spent 200 years to find a world with the right spiritual properties, and believes it would take just as long to find another. Anthwara reveals that Picard's ancestors had been involved with the Pueblo Revolt in the 17th century and that he carries some of that guilt to try to sway the Captain, a thought that troubles Picard. Wesley, meanwhile, meets Lakanta, one of the colony's holy men, who instructs him to go on a vision quest. During this, Wesley talks to his long-dead father, Jack Crusher, who suggests that Wesley is bound for a different destiny than his own.

The Cardassians, led by Gul Evek, arrive ahead of schedule, and begin to assess the planet. Though they are peaceful, tensions among the Federation and colonists start to rise. Picard prepares his crew to transport the colonists to the Enterprise by force. Wesley overhears of the plan and incites the colonists to riot. Picard warns Wesley against his actions, prompting Wesley to quit Starfleet on the spot. Wesley has a heart-to-heart discussion with Dr. Crusher, telling her about the vision quest and that he never thought Starfleet was right for him. Dr. Crusher reminds him about the Traveler, who told her Wesley was special, and that he might be bound for better things, and regardless what he does, she will be proud of him.

On the surface, the colonists take some of the Cardassians hostage, and Picard and Gul Evek try to come to a solution. Gul Evek mentions that he has lost two sons to the war with the Federation and does not want to lose his last one. A fight breaks out on the surface and Wesley tries to stop it, but ends up freezing time. :mindblown:

Likanta reveals himself to be the Traveler and is ready to help mentor Wesley on his new path. Wesley agrees and the two depart; the fighting continues and the Cardassians suffer casualties. Gul Evek agrees to evacuate his people to end the fighting. Eventually, Anthwara states that the colonists have decided to forgo their Federation citizenship, and Gul Evek affirms the Cardassians will allow them to remain on the planet as their citizens. As the Enterprise returns to Federation space, Wesley says his goodbyes and leaves with the Traveler.
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