Yahoo Sports: “A closer look at MJ’s 1988 DPOY raises questions about its validity”

[Roger king]

And all you MFs in here accusing the author of being some kinda "Bron stan" and "Klutch agent" because you can't argue against the facts are wrong about that too.





Now why would a "Bron stan" be calling Jordan the GOAT?

This reporter who has been smeared as an agent of klutch and a lebron supporter, says clearly jordan is the goat and his 6-0 record in the final is unassailable yet people wont care, they cant rebut the facts and the evidence that shows such blatant disparity and faking the numbers so they launch ad hominem attacks.
This article is credible and there should be a serious investigation by the NBA and the other newspapers of records.

 

[Art Barr]

Isiah used to bust MJ ass offensively during those years I know that much

Stop the cap.

Paxson bloodied zeke.

Jordan did not check zeke exclusively. Plus when zeke got on his bullshyt.

Pax and cartwright made him a bloody geyser.
Zeke is not hard.

Zeke hid/hides behind his brother's rep. Not his own.

Y'all. nikkaz not even from the go.
Or talk.
like you not from the go.

stop the cap.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It's killing me that dude is even bringing up advanced metrics in the first place. As if the voters for DPOY were even considering "box plus/minus" or "win shares" all the way back in 1988.


His incredible number of steals and blocks got him the DPOY, and now we're finding out that fabrication has occurred in the numbers for both.

Stop.

If you read the article.
You know dude is cap'n.


Art Barr

 

[Copy Ninja]

Just like all Bronsexuals on the Coli, this author is another sick individual fantasazing about Lebron in parallel universes

The 4 Hall of Fame careers of LeBron James

A new approach to quantifying LeBron James' greatness.

www.tomthefinder.com

In this parallel universe, James doesn’t go straight to the league out of high school because Cleveland doesn’t win the 2003 draft lottery. Instead, he decides to live out his collegiate dreams in Columbus at his beloved Ohio State. He waits for the right moment to jump to the NBA. He convinces the Buckeyes to hire John Calipari, the charismatic Memphis coach who is as plugged into the NBA power structure as any collegiate coach.

James spends the next four years at Ohio State, restoring prominence to the Buckeyes basketball program that hadn’t won a championship in almost 50 years. In his senior year, he is joined by Mike Conley and Greg Oden and gleefully cuts down the net in the national championship. The greatest college player who ever lived decides to sit out one season after Cleveland’s luck strikes out again on draft lottery night. He spends the year training at various college campuses and commits to play for the Redeem Team in the Olympics a la Christian Laettner in 1992. And then, in 2008, the ping-pong ball comes up “Cleveland,” James announces The Decision on ESPN: He’s going to the NBA.

The story merges here in 2008. Following gold in Beijing, LeBron wins the 2008-09 MVP as a rookie, averaging 28.4 points, 7.2 assists and 7.6 rebounds and a baffling 20.3 win-share total for the 66-16 Cavaliers. In the playoffs, James sends a message and destroys the Detroit Pistons, the team that won the 2003 draft lottery and instead took Euro star Darko Milicic No. 1 overall. After two seasons in Cleveland, James decides to go to Miami without a TV spectacle (remember, he has already made The Decision in 2008) and wins a title in 2011. With four magnificent seasons atop the NBA, he pulls back from the NBA grind and decides to spend more time with to pursue his entrepreneurial ambitions.

Crowned at all three levels – high school, college and NBA – LeBron retires with a bonafide Hall of Fame career including a regular-season MVP, a Finals MVP and four All-Star seasons at the NBA level. With James perched in a Shark Tank chair, the OKC Thunder launches a dynasty following the 2012 heartbreak in the NBA Finals.

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After being a two-time All-State wide receiver at St. Vincent-St. Mary’s, James decides to shun the basketball route and instead opts to chase football stardom. Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys, James becomes the greatest tight end to ever play the game.

But James feels unfulfilled. Although James is considered the superior tight end to Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates on the gridiron, Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith fuel the flames and proclaim that Gonzalez and Gates were better basketball players. An annoyed James decides to prove once and for all that he could dominate two sports.

Leaving the NFL, James joins the Miami Heat to team up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Right away, James asserts himself as basketball’s most transcendent player, reminding the world that he was the basketball prince that was promised. He wins the NBA title against the San Antonio Spurs but loses next season’s rematch. He goes back home to Cleveland and beats the 73-win Golden State Warriors in the Finals to bring the championship home to Northeast Ohio. On stage accepting the trophy from the commissioner, James announces his retirement from the game in storybook fashion. He finishes his football career suiting up for the Cleveland Browns back home.

There has never been an NBA career like James’: four seasons, two titles in two different cities and four All-Star appearances. King James goes down as the greatest American athlete ever, establishing a throne atop two of America’s favorite sports.

 

[ISO]

Just like all Bronsexuals on the Coli, this author is another sick individual fantasazing about Lebron in parallel universes

The 4 Hall of Fame careers of LeBron James

A new approach to quantifying LeBron James' greatness.

www.tomthefinder.com

In this parallel universe, James doesn’t go straight to the league out of high school because Cleveland doesn’t win the 2003 draft lottery. Instead, he decides to live out his collegiate dreams in Columbus at his beloved Ohio State. He waits for the right moment to jump to the NBA. He convinces the Buckeyes to hire John Calipari, the charismatic Memphis coach who is as plugged into the NBA power structure as any collegiate coach.

James spends the next four years at Ohio State, restoring prominence to the Buckeyes basketball program that hadn’t won a championship in almost 50 years. In his senior year, he is joined by Mike Conley and Greg Oden and gleefully cuts down the net in the national championship. The greatest college player who ever lived decides to sit out one season after Cleveland’s luck strikes out again on draft lottery night. He spends the year training at various college campuses and commits to play for the Redeem Team in the Olympics a la Christian Laettner in 1992. And then, in 2008, the ping-pong ball comes up “Cleveland,” James announces The Decision on ESPN: He’s going to the NBA.

The story merges here in 2008. Following gold in Beijing, LeBron wins the 2008-09 MVP as a rookie, averaging 28.4 points, 7.2 assists and 7.6 rebounds and a baffling 20.3 win-share total for the 66-16 Cavaliers. In the playoffs, James sends a message and destroys the Detroit Pistons, the team that won the 2003 draft lottery and instead took Euro star Darko Milicic No. 1 overall. After two seasons in Cleveland, James decides to go to Miami without a TV spectacle (remember, he has already made The Decision in 2008) and wins a title in 2011. With four magnificent seasons atop the NBA, he pulls back from the NBA grind and decides to spend more time with to pursue his entrepreneurial ambitions.

Crowned at all three levels – high school, college and NBA – LeBron retires with a bonafide Hall of Fame career including a regular-season MVP, a Finals MVP and four All-Star seasons at the NBA level. With James perched in a Shark Tank chair, the OKC Thunder launches a dynasty following the 2012 heartbreak in the NBA Finals.

--------------

After being a two-time All-State wide receiver at St. Vincent-St. Mary’s, James decides to shun the basketball route and instead opts to chase football stardom. Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys, James becomes the greatest tight end to ever play the game.

But James feels unfulfilled. Although James is considered the superior tight end to Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates on the gridiron, Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith fuel the flames and proclaim that Gonzalez and Gates were better basketball players. An annoyed James decides to prove once and for all that he could dominate two sports.

Leaving the NFL, James joins the Miami Heat to team up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Right away, James asserts himself as basketball’s most transcendent player, reminding the world that he was the basketball prince that was promised. He wins the NBA title against the San Antonio Spurs but loses next season’s rematch. He goes back home to Cleveland and beats the 73-win Golden State Warriors in the Finals to bring the championship home to Northeast Ohio. On stage accepting the trophy from the commissioner, James announces his retirement from the game in storybook fashion. He finishes his football career suiting up for the Cleveland Browns back home.

There has never been an NBA career like James’: four seasons, two titles in two different cities and four All-Star appearances. King James goes down as the greatest American athlete ever, establishing a throne atop two of America’s favorite sports.

Ya background checks don’t take away from the truth which is proven by the study.

This shyt is disgusting.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

@b. woods



My MJ slander to add to this thread is comkng soon

 

[NYC Rebel]

1988 was my first time feeling the league was rigged . I’ve been saying this on here for over 20 years. I had no clue this was out here to validate it

 

[Bryan Danielson]

No other sports goes out of its way to shyt on its past than NBA media and fans. How can y’all root for this shyt show?

It should’ve never been done….. but cats is reaping what they sewed!!! Lol

 

[NYC Rebel]

No other sports goes out of its way to shyt on its past than NBA media and fans. How can y’all root for this shyt show?

NBA media created this culture.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Him even being in contention for the award with everything else he did game to game is superhuman in itself

You guys are hopeful & hilarious

Bron was in contention for DPOY in 2009 and 2010 when he was Cleveland's entire offense AND anchored their defense.

2009 he was 2nd in scoring, 10th in assists, 6th in steals, best defender on a top-3 defense, only star on the team #1 in wins, 2nd in DPOY.
2010 he was 2nd in scoring, 6th in assists, 9th in steals, best defender on the #6 defense, only star on the team #1 in wins, 4th in DPOY.

So is he superhuman too?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Bron was in contention for DPOY in 2009 and 2010 when he was Cleveland's entire offense AND anchored their defense.

2009 he was 2nd in scoring, 10th in assists, 6th in steals, best defender on a top-3 defense, only star on the team #1 in wins, 2nd in DPOY.
2010 he was 2nd in scoring, 6th in assists, 9th in steals, best defender on the #6 defense, only star on the team #1 in wins, 4th in DPOY.

So is he superhuman too?

Isn’t that why they’re mentioned in tandem you idiot?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Isn’t that why they’re mentioned in tandem you idiot?

In normal human communication, a simple "yes" would have also sufficed.

 

[JasoRockStar]

People were saying Jordan didn't deserver this n 88.... This aint coming out of nowhere... And those home stats look funny in the light..... Also, you say you watched 50 Bulls games via youtube..... but did you watch 50 games of other DPOY candidates for 87/88 to make a fair comparison?

Actually he said that he watched 50 GAMES from that season, not Bulls games, which is completely useless to this convo because we're discussing home games for Chicago. And considering the lengths the author of this article went to get 6 home games from the Bulls, I'm pretty damn confident that guy didn't watch a lot, if any, of them out of the 50 he claimed to have watched.

NBA media created this culture.

We’ve had talking heads from 90s NBA shytting on the post 90s NBA for decades now. Constantly propping up the past, talking about today’s players “can’t compare” to the past eras. But the pushback from the new era just started like 5 years ago and these same people who were doing the minimizing are now complaining, talking about “disrespect to past”.


Well respect is a two way street, you gotta give it to get it in return. They showed no respect to the younger gens and this is the result. No other league tears down their current and future stars like NBA fans do. You look at how Pat Mahomes, Aaron Donald, Tyreek Hill are spoken about. Their talent, greatness and accomplishments are all acknowledged. Compare that to how the basketball media has torn down and attacked their stars for years. Just look at how they did Ant. Built that man up when he was playing well, the second he was struggling against Denver and Dallas, the vultures started coming out.


The only thing I hate more than bullies are sensitive bullies. You can’t be talking crazy about folks and then get mad when wild shyt is said about you in return.

 

[Yayo Toure]

Back in this thread to say once again how stupid this stuff is.

In 25 years, if people care enough they can do the same for alot of Lebron's stats. Stats don't matter.

Wnat matters is who won, who lost. Jordan 6 finals 6 wins, Lebron multiple finals losses and two finals sweeps. The sweeps are more damning because we saw an underdog Dallas steal a game this year and we say a Miami Heat missing their #2 and #3 option avoid a sweep 4 years ago.

My point being is, Klutch and co. can go in the archives and dig up what they want, nothing will change the fact that LeBron is a quitter and one of the biggest false images in sports.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Back in this thread to say once again how stupid this stuff is.

In 25 years, if people care enough they can do the same for alot of Lebron's stats.

Except they can't, because, as the article notes, the NBA cracked down on "home cooking" for stats a long time ago.

Stats don't matter.

But stats are literally the reason why he won DPOY. He campaigned for DPOY explicitly on stats from before the season even started.

My point being is, Klutch and co. can go in the archives and dig up what they want

You do realize this guy has nothing to do with Klutch and has other articles calling Jordan the GOAT? The tinfoil response to any criticism whatsoever of Jordan is wild, especially considering how big of a boost Jordan got from Nike, ESPN, and the NBA itself over this entire career. MJ's image has benefitted from FAR more media/advertizing/pundit help than any other athlete in history.