Xbox 720 = $500, always connected, no BC

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Something tells me that Sony is gonna drop the ball AGAIN and somehow let the Wii U from Nintendo win. Sony is gonna do some fukkery with the PS4 that gonna piss gamers off like crazy.

Just stop man.

You're coming across as a dumb hater.
 

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The vita was doomed to begin with, trying to step in the smartphone gaming lane is a big no right now

It's definitely picking up steam though

it makes sense though, ever since the big gaming companies slowed right down on releasing for the Vita it leaves the system wide open for indies, cause there are a whole lotta people who now have a dedicated handheld gaming system with nothing to play on it, so indie games keep those owners interested. its a win for everyone. i would never had guessed that a handheld with the power of the Vita would turn around and be saved by indies but that seems to be exactly whats happening.
 

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That’s the future of you sitting in front of your television, watching commercials, according to a new patent application from Sony. Interactive software streams to your television between pre-cut commercials, asking the viewer to actually engage with a brand for some sort of reward. In the case Sony’s proposal for this McDonald’s ad, saying the name allows you to skip the rest of the commercial.

“I’M LOVIN’ IT, I PROMISE I’M LOVIN’ IT! NOW GET ME BACK TO CSI MIAMI!”


This particular use case scenario, of course, is horrid. There are few things more frustrating than a voice recognition system, like Siri or Kinect, not understanding your speech. Imagine that frustration mixed in a cauldron with an annoying ad you’re seeing for the upteenth time. Brands would get their interaction, all right, filled with a series of gestures that best go unreported.

But Sony’s patent is technologically broad--it reads as a catch-all for interactive commercials streamed to your TV--and it’s filled with other possibilities. Sony suggests shooting, racing, and fighting games--even trivia rounds that would compete viewers against one another for rewards (rewards that could be emailed or text messaged to you). There’s even an idea for Burger King in there, if McDonald’s doesn’t like the pitch.

In the embodiment of FIG. 8, the instructions are "Throw the pickle to speed up commercial." The user, which is holding a one-handed controller with motion detection, swings his arm to simulate the act of throwing a pickle. As a result, the flying interactive pickle is placed in the burger, and the commercial message "Make it your way" is displayed briefly before the commercial ends and the user returns to watching the streaming media.

It’s indefinite in how long such interactive elements could last (could someone play for 10 minutes?), or what sorts of technologies the average consumer is expected to have at home (everything from motion sensing, voice recognition, Bluetooth, and networked tablets are mentioned). Sony also acknowledges the need for other commercials to play naturally just as they do now, while contradictorily suggesting that the ad could go long, even continuing into the program itself, sitting on top of image like picture-in-picture. The ad can then follow users to various other devices, like texting or emailing a coupon code.


On one hand, everything Sony describes is horrifying--part of a larger culture in which, not only can we not bring ourselves to disconnect, but every brand in the world is egging on our wide-eyed, hyperactive impulses. And yet on the other, everything Sony describes could be so much more interesting than current commercials. Imagine if Burger King gave you a 30-second, pickle-laden Angry Birds level rather than a montage of flame broiled beef. Or better still, consider what McDonald’s could do allowing viewers the chance to ask the company an earnest, database-answerable question--”how much protein is in a cheeseburger?” or “where do your fries come from?” or “how many Happy Meals do you serve a day?” or even “what are you doing for animal welfare?”

It’s not really a question of gesture inputs or voice commands. Interaction of any sort, done poorly, will box users in to experience a superficial, vapid experience with a brand. (Which, honestly, is pretty much how commercials work today.) But interaction, done well, could tailor to each consumer’s individual interest in a product, and further the (sometimes) real dialog between consumer and corporation we’ve seen developing on Facebook and Twitter.

Real interaction--not just Wiimote waving, but ideas being shared two ways--coupled with all of the algorithmic powers of big data could fuel a whole new world of corporate insight. The living room could become a focus group rather than a meaningless game. And for many consumers, a commercial could become a very worthwhile experience, enticing them to learn something or change the way a store operates, rather than just getting the high score on their block.

We’ve all lived high on the hog with our commercial-skipping DVRs. And with ads making their way into every video online, it seems only a matter of time before those days come to an end. But one thing’s for sure: When that day is over, there will be a lot of disgruntled consumers--consumers who you really won’t want shouting “McDonald’s!” at the top of their lungs in a coordinated, digital mob.

Now see If PS4 was even rumored to do some shyt like this, you would have something...But it isn't. Sony patents alot of shyt that will never see the light of day and this is one of those things.

If you seriously trying to run with THIS as your proof you should just sit ya ass down some where just you just come across as a Sony hater,plain and simple.
 

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It's all rumors until Microsoft confirms something:manny:
Definitely true. The only thing I'll say here is that the other day I saw this rumor hit the front page of Reddit. I don't usually see this type of sh!t hit the front page. Now it may be in /r/gaming or something where it will be discussed, but this sh!t actually showed up on my news feed which made me stop and think....hmmmmm......maybe this is actually legit. Because before I saw that, I just passed all of this off as another rumor. Now, I'm not saying that it begins and ends with Reddit and what happens over there lays the foundation for the Earth spinning on its axis. I'm simply saying, it struck me as odd.


It's real simple for me though. If MS has an always on connection and Sony doesn't, I won't be buying the MS console. If for some reason they both have some sort of DRM and Sony's just isn't revealed yet then I'll got witht he least intrusive of the two.
 

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Definitely true. The only thing I'll say here is that the other day I saw this rumor hit the front page of Reddit. I don't usually see this type of sh!t hit the front page. Now it may be in /r/gaming or something where it will be discussed, but this sh!t actually showed up on my news feed which made me stop and think....hmmmmm......maybe this is actually legit. Because before I saw that, I just passed all of this off as another rumor. Now, I'm nvaot saying that it begins and ends with Reddit and what happens over there lays the foundation for the Earth spinning on its axis. I'm simply saying, it struck me as odd.


It's real simple for me though. If MS has an always on connection and Sony doesn't, I won't be buying the MS console. If for some reason they both have some sort of DRM and Sony's just isn't revealed yet then I'll got witht he least intrusive of the two.

Whatever the policy ends up being. It will be the same for both consoles. Publishers aren't going to allow one system to block out used/offline games and the other not.
 

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Microsoft needs to unveil this thing because everybody is leaking information and they're public image is taking a beating. their core fanbase is already beginning to turn on them can clamor for the new Playstation.

i think they're likely gonna have to drop this always online thing. had they unveiled it on their terms they could have sold it to gamers and applied spin but it just got put out there in the nude for people to place their own spin on and the results have been more than unfavorable.

shyt is turning into a PR nightmare. its like how the Obama campaign defined Mitt Romney before he could define himself in the general election in that awkward phase when it was clear he was gonna win the nomination but couldn't spend the general election campaign money until the convention. the new Xbox already has a negative image.

Exactly. Always online is one thing, but requiring online to be able to boot your game is a whole 'nother ballgame.

3rd console curse...
 

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Definitely true. The only thing I'll say here is that the other day I saw this rumor hit the front page of Reddit. I don't usually see this type of sh!t hit the front page. Now it may be in /r/gaming or something where it will be discussed, but this sh!t actually showed up on my news feed which made me stop and think....hmmmmm......maybe this is actually legit. Because before I saw that, I just passed all of this off as another rumor. Now, I'm not saying that it begins and ends with Reddit and what happens over there lays the foundation for the Earth spinning on its axis. I'm simply saying, it struck me as odd.


It's real simple for me though. If MS has an always on connection and Sony doesn't, I won't be buying the MS console. If for some reason they both have some sort of DRM and Sony's just isn't revealed yet then I'll got witht he least intrusive of the two.

Thing is bruh...there are entirely too many people and sources saying/confirming the same shyt.
The only thing cats can hope for at this point is that MS backs off this shyt (which may piss off EA who is probably in cahoots with them trying to pull this off) or patch in an offline option. With the latter, that would just leave us with an activation code/online pass kinda setup so you can play offline which sucks for used games, but at least stops the bleeding.
 

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Whatever the policy ends up being. It will be the same for both consoles. Publishers aren't going to allow one system to block out used/offline games and the other not.

that makes no damn sense. A publisher can only control their own games not tell a console maker what they want others to do. Sony has always given publishers freedom to do their own shyt (which doesn't always turn out to be a good thing).

As a publisher all you can do is control your own titles, you cant' control someone else's titles. :stopitslime:

So if EA institutes/wants an online drm setup for their games, they can do it on the PS4 if they choose. Blocking someone else's used games is none of their business. They'll do an online pass just like they have this gen.
 

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that makes no damn sense. A publisher can only control their own games not tell a console maker what they want others to do. Sony has always given publishers freedom to do their own shyt (which doesn't always turn out to be a good thing).

As a publisher all you can do is control your own titles, you cant' control someone else's titles. :stopitslime:

So if EA institutes/wants an online drm setup for their games, they can do it on the PS4 if they choose. Blocking someone else's used games is none of their business. They'll do an online pass just like they have this gen.

None of that changes what I said. Every generation the systems move closer and closer to parity. Less exclusive games/features. Now even the hardware is damn there the same thing.

Publishers control what the hardware does because they make the games. The idea of drm is a publisher friendly idea. Publishers are not going to ok an environment where games on one system has some type of drm and not on the other.

If EA and Ubisoft push drm on consoles, then you best believe the rest of the large publishers will follow suit. Smaller publishers and indies will be selling digital games anyway.
 

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Thing is bruh...there are entirely too many people and sources saying/confirming the same shyt.
The only thing cats can hope for at this point is that MS backs off this shyt (which may piss off EA who is probably in cahoots with them trying to pull this off) or patch in an offline option. With the latter, that would just leave us with an activation code/online pass kinda setup so you can play offline which sucks for used games, but at least stops the bleeding.

No ,absolutely no one has said the 720 won't function offline. Plenty of products including the Ps4 have been described as "always on, always connected" it's pure conjecture to believe the Xbox won't function offline.
 

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No ,absolutely no one has said the 720 won't function offline. Plenty of products including the Ps4 have been described as "always on, always connected" it's pure conjecture to believe the Xbox won't function offline.

Not functioning offline is one thing, but IT HAS BEEN STATED BY NUMEROUS SOURCES that you will need to have an internet connection to start your game. THAT is the problem.

Turning it on to play a game is the whole point of a console.
 
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