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It's funny how Dirty catches a lot of heat for his randomness, but GZA is completely absolved of it. Dude is hard to get into the studio, and at one point, was impossible to get to perform. Even when he was there, he'd disappear off stage for the entire show...at least he used to be. He's more involved now, but he was allowed to do whatever he wanted for years.
 
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It's funny how Dirty catches a lot of heat for his randomness, but GZA is completely absolved of it. Dude is hard to get into the studio, and at one point, was impossible to get to perform. Even when he was there, he'd disappear off stage for the entire show...at least he used to be. He's more involved now, but he was allowed to do whatever he wanted for years.


Dirty was doing loads of drugs, making loads of babies, and generally was the one involved in loads of public fukkery.

Its the public nature of ODB’s fukk ups that made him catch the heat.
 

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Dirty was doing loads of drugs, making loads of babies, and generally was the one involved in loads of public fukkery.

Its the public nature of ODB’s fukk ups that made him catch the heat.
There's one interview out there...I forget which one...but white exec was like "White people love Dirty for the exact same reasons they love Flava Flav." But I'm talking more about from the Clan. They talk about each other like crazy, EXCEPT GZA. On Drink Champs, Meth said "GZA the OG, so who gonna go against him", but these dudes question all of each other's motives and movements. The most he gets is RZA may say "he hasn't been at the studio yet."
 

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It's funny how Dirty catches a lot of heat for his randomness, but GZA is completely absolved of it. Dude is hard to get into the studio, and at one point, was impossible to get to perform. Even when he was there, he'd disappear off stage for the entire show...at least he used to be. He's more involved now, but he was allowed to do whatever he wanted for years.
GZA older, they also felt like GZA was the wisest of all AND he put RZA onto game on forming the Wu-Tang and the supreme mathematics, I feel like they take him as a sage.
 
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There's one interview out there...I forget which one...but white exec was like "White people love Dirty for the exact same reasons they love Flava Flav." But I'm talking more about from the Clan. They talk about each other like crazy, EXCEPT GZA. On Drink Champs, Meth said "GZA the OG, so who gonna go against him", but these dudes question all of each other's motives and movements. The most he gets is RZA may say "he hasn't been at the studio yet."


GZA IS the OG though. If i’m not mistaken he’s the one that brought the majority of the clan into the 5% fold. He was the first one who had a record deal and actually put out an album. He knew the inner workings of the industry better than anyone except for RZA. GZA probably stays out of a lot of the bullshyt too. I ain’t never heard of GZA getting into no shouting matches on the tour bus, or bytching about Divine getting a cut of profits, or escaping from prison and popping unannounced at concerts. Or complaining endlessly about RZA’s creative direction. Or filing lawsuits as publicity stunts. The relative miraculousness that is GZA’s lack of fukkery probably affords him more leeway when it comes to “smaller” shyt like not showing up for sessions (he was already known to disappear for up to a week before deadlines and then pop up spontaneously with the whole album written) certain concerts
 

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GZA IS the OG though. If i’m not mistaken he’s the one that brought the majority of the clan into the 5% fold. He was the first one who had a record deal and actually put out an album. He knew the inner workings of the industry better than anyone except for RZA. GZA probably stays out of a lot of the bullshyt too. I ain’t never heard of GZA getting into no shouting matches on the tour bus, or bytching about Divine getting a cut of profits, or escaping from prison and popping unannounced at concerts. Or complaining endlessly about RZA’s creative direction. Or filing lawsuits as publicity stunts. The relative miraculousness that is GZA’s lack of fukkery probably affords him more leeway when it comes to “smaller” shyt like not showing up for sessions (he was already known to disappear for up to a week before deadlines and then pop up spontaneously with the whole album written) certain concerts
You saw the interview when RZA alluded that Meth called him out. He said "This ninja over here making a sandwich on stage." Then said, GZA might be the one over there making a sandwich.

But the fact that they have a problem with EVERYTHING each other do, then just let GZA slide is absurd to me. So how much you really get off ya chest? They've argued with MK before, and he doesn't do ish but mind his own business, and pop up to support whatever they have going on. The only person I've ever heard say things about GZA is RZA, then he makes sure to say, that he can't say anything about it though. Even in this ep, Divine got Geffen damn near banging down his front door, but GZA playing chess with a move a day LOL. You know they be mad though, on some "why we gotta be here if he ain't here." I'm sure they were pissed when they found out GZA never signed the contract too. They don't say ish about Power either, though. Rae's book was the first time anyone went vocal about him. It's usually "Power is Power"

They definitely don't take him as a sage, they just don't voice their frustrations with him as much, if at all. They probably just direct it towards RZA & Divine.
 
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And for the record, I hated that Motherless Child & Winter Wars were on Ironman. I wanted the Box in Hand version listed, that I didn't hear until 3yrs after

Why tho? Both are classic af…or are you saying you’d rather 2 additional tracks?
 

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Does Deck really act like that or is that actor overacting the shyt outta him?

I can say this….. when I was in college….. I had or seen a brief snippet of what Deck can be…..

And I can see him acting like this. :russ:

It’s a long short story but I put that moment in a bottle and I’d say it’s fairly close to spot on
 

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Why tho? Both are classic af…or are you saying you’d rather 2 additional tracks?
I've always hated Motherless Child, since the Sunset Park soundtrack. Winter Warz was on Don't Be a Menace and was ran into the ground by the time Iron Man dropped. There used to be remix versions on soundtracks/albums then, so they seemed like wasted spots. Of course, learning later that Ghost didn't want to do the album, and everything going on then, it made sense now to use them as filler. but Box In Hand should've been on there.
 
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I've always hated Motherless Child, since the Sunset Park soundtrack. Winter Warz was on Don't Be a Menace and was ran into the ground by the time Iron Man dropped. There used to be remix versions on soundtracks/albums then, so they seemed like wasted spots. Of course, learning later that Ghost didn't want to do the album, and everything going on then, it made sense now to use them as filler. but Box In Hand should've been on there.

I absolutely love Motherless Child...what don't you like about it?

you saying there's remix versions of MC and WW?

OG/"real" Box In Hand is coo...I think the hook is corny tho, but the beat is classic RZA, love the murky, musty drums.
 
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