WTF happened to our shows?? Soul Train, Showtime at the Apollo, Comicview, Def Comedy Jam, etc

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I'm talking about rap & r&b music sounding like techno music now (RZA called it back in 2000)
I'm talking about the time when black people set the fashion trends, not followed them. nikkas didn't start the skinny jeans look, but they sure hopped on it. I don't recall Big & Pac biting skateboard cac fashion and all the kids doing likewise, but it sure happened with Lil Wayne, Kanye and all these light voice nikkas and the ones that follow them

I agree (partly, I don't agree with the skateboarding bit because as someone who grew up in the 90s I remember hip-hop''s flirtations with skate culture...plus I skate myself and as a black man who has for over 20 years I've constantly had to defend myself from other black people who called me "whitewashed" '"c00n" "white boy" "oreo" etc.). But techno is historically black music though created by black Americans from Detroit. It's our art and our culture...and like hip-hop and r&B...we don't control it.

This article provides some insight (mainly in the comments)...

http://Wetdreamandhustle.com/2013/0...ves-out-of-the-global-house-nation-explosion/

It all adds up in the end. I was going to post a thread about it.

 

[Captain Crunch]

It still exists, it's just online.


In order to see non-c00ning black images, it's crucial to support shows like this and the few legit black films that come out(Hidden Colors; Great Debaters, Red Tails, Good Deeds, etc). The reason why you don't see non-c00ning shows, because most of the time these shows/films don't get the support it should receive
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Link to donate
http://blackandsexy.tv/access/donate/

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I loathe Tyler Perry. I think it is good that he made a name for himself, but it's always the same message, the same "type" of characters, etc.

I have no problem with Tyler Perry. My problem is there's literally nothing else related to black television/movies to balance it out.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

I feel ya, but I got what he was trying to say....and it's true.

Black American identity has slowly but surely been pushed aside towards Americanization. Globalization. Homogenization. Mini-Martification. Suburbanification. The culture of America is essentially the culture of money, power, privilege, and influence.

The number one thing America knows well is how to push a business model so that any art or creative property can be exploited for more cash until the cow has officially dried up.

That's what happened that he described.

Sure, there were many other factors that attributed to it (the drug wars of the 80s, the crack epidemic, globalization, the internet, the rising costs of living, etc)...but it's painfully obvious now that this was really planned and in the process since probably before I was born.

Why did this all happen at the same time? I mean, I know that time works in mysterious ways, bt there wouldn't be a massive number of these threads if there weren't some truth to this.

And even I agree with your post (especially when you say that black identity collectively shouldn't be seen as a monolith). But I agree with them here from an observational standpoint.

The whole world is globalizing breh. Even white people are globalizing. You can go on a storm front and comment section and find racist/stupid white people saying the same shyt as you all. Y'all need to stop makin' yourselves into such victims and coming up with all of these conspiracy theories to promote pity parties. No one is living in their corner of the earth and staying in their little hub of experiences anymore. Sorry. It's a whole world going on and you all are mad because someone doesn't wanna be stuck in a stereotype that makes you feel comfortable. We have the internet, black finances have progressed substantially so now we have the ability to travel and see other places, explore different things, etc. Y'all are really no different than the people who say shyt like "you talk white/black", call people "oreos", etc. It's possible to have pride in our history, but also be open to new things. It seems like many of you just aren't open, and for some reason, want others be to as close minded as you and are mad cause they aren't.

FACTS:
- Globalization is happening everywhere. It's GLOBALization
- Homos existed in Africa before white people ever got there
- The suburbs are not bad
- We are not all the same, nor do all of us want to be

Look at the shyt y'all passionately complainin' about not having: c00ntastic TV shows, urban clothing, who people have sex with behind closed doors, people not speaking ebonics and choosing to speak proper English, (The most ironic thing is, this is the epitome of your average black reality tv show. Y'all should actually love that shyt).

How about black families, or financial literacy, education, or community service. Nah. Thugged out rap music, clothes, and the block still looking the same as it did 20 years. Y'all are actually the ones who are the stereotype up in here acting like you're so much better than every one else.

 

[MVike28]

New York Undercover qualify?

 

[kermit da hustla]

I feel ya, but I got what he was trying to say....and it's true.

Black American identity has slowly but surely been pushed aside towards Americanization. Globalization. Homogenization. Mini-Martification. Suburbanification. Wal-Martification. The culture of America is essentially the culture of money, power, privilege, and influence.

And since this is White America, obviously we are going to be pushed as far back as possible when it comes to what we create and how much control we have over it. Simply because they have the money, power, privelege, influence...and most importantly...numbers. It shouldn't be that way, but it is and that's the reason this conversation surfaced on this board.

It doesn't help when the majority of us are in the hoods and ghettos of America and the majority of them are in the suburbs and affluent nests of America.

The number one thing America knows well is how to push a business model so that any art or creative property can be exploited for more cash until the cow has officially dried up.

That's what happened that he described.

Sure, there were many other factors that attributed to it (the drug wars of the 80s, the crack epidemic, globalization, the internet, the rising costs of living, etc)...but it's painfully obvious now that this was really planned and in the process since probably before I was born.

Why did this all happen at the same time? I mean, I know that time works in mysterious ways, bt there wouldn't be a massive number of these threads if there weren't some truth to this.

And even I agree with your post (especially when you say that black identity collectively shouldn't be seen as a monolith). But I agree with them here from an observational standpoint.

man, you're overthinking it. everyone is subject to globalization. not just black people. and the fact remains, BLACK PEOPLE are still the ones driving culture in america and abroad. people are dressing like US. people are sounding like US. people are still looking to us as barometers of what is "cool" and what isn't. nobody is looking to white people for that. AT ALL. so, the idea that we're pushed back is bullshyt. at some point, if we wish to progress as a people, we have to STOP segregating ourselves and trying to turn away from being recognizes as americans. we're NOT black people first. we're americans. and we are just as important to the course of this nation's future as any white person.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

I'm talking about rap & r&b music sounding like techno music now (RZA called it back in 2000)
I'm talking about the time when black people set the fashion trends, not followed them. nikkas didn't start the skinny jeans look, but they sure hopped on it. I don't recall Big & Pac biting skateboard cac fashion and all the kids doing likewise, but it sure happened with Lil Wayne, Kanye and all these light voice nikkas and the ones that follow them

Black people still set the fashion trends, so wtf are you talking about. Grills, gold chains, Jordans, big pants/tomboy-style (on women), etc. all comes from black culture. Skinny jeans and short ass shorts weren't big in the hood in the 80s/90s?

Black people have been involved in techno for the longest breh. Wtf do you think "Planet Rock" was?

Black people been skateboardin'. Harold Hunter don't ring a bell to you?

I think it's that you all have the most close minded view of blackness ever. Like, y'all are really on some constraining shyt. Funny thing is, you only show how much you don't know about your own people from the era you claim to love. nikkas wishhin for 20 years ago, but don't even know about everything that was happening 20 years ago. Y'all were in a box. A literal box. The world ain't gonna be your box from 20 years ago. In fact, it never was your box, you just didn't know anything outside of it. Literal plato's allegory mad cause the earth ain't black like your cave.

 

[Whitty Hutton]

Black people still set the fashion trends, so wtf are you talking about. Grills, gold chains, Jordans, big pants/tomboy-style (on women), etc. all comes from black culture. Skinny jeans and short ass shorts weren't big in the hood in the 80s/90s?

Black people have been involved in techno for the longest breh. Wtf do you think "Planet Rock" was?

Black people been skateboardin'. Harold Hunter don't ring a bell to you?

I think it's that you all have the most close minded view of blackness ever. Like, y'all are really on some constraining shyt. Funny thing is, you only show how much you don't know about your own people from the era you claim to love. nikkas wishhin for 20 years ago, but don't even know about everything that was happening 20 years ago. Y'all were in a box. A literal box.

Nope.
I'm all for that spreading out and broading horizons stuff, but at the end of the day it's nice to have something of our own. I can watch Big Bang Theory and bump Daft Punk with no problem, but I also want to be able to turn on the tv and see a program that relates to the very core of what i am. Which goes back to the basis of what this thread is really about

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

It still exists, it's just online.


In order to see non-c00ning black images, it's crucial to support shows like this and the few legit black films that come out(Hidden Colors; Great Debaters, Red Tails, Good Deeds, etc). The reason why you don't see non-c00ning shows, because most of the time these shows/films don't get the support it should receive
.
Link to donate
http://blackandsexy.tv/access/donate/

This goes back to @Todd2012 's comment...the next black renaissance will be online.

TV will always be controlled by the masters that only answer to money and ratings. That's what drives television. Money, commercial time, ratings, period. It will never go back to what it was and frankly we shouldn't need to go back to TV.

Sure, it sucks that TV has been used as a social engineering device and if there were more positive non-stereotypical Black roles on TV, it would give black Americans who do transcribe to it a more sentient and positive look at themselves.

I took a media analysis class in 2007. My professor was basically saying that in regards to media representation and white privelege, white people seeing images of themselves in all sorts of lights just gives them a sense of power. So, by that deduction, in regards to the limited representations black people see of themselves on TV (as pictures in Mugshots on the news, as pictures of victims of violent crime, as token characters on TV shows where they are passive or subservient to their white counterparts, as thugs and criminals, or only playing basketball/baseball/football, etc) they will begin to see themselves as POWERLESS (and this is more than likely the point...and this goes beyond white americans being the majority of the population to have more images/services/etc cater to them).

Hence the DOLL TEST. Where black children are asked to choose between the dolls that they feel relate to them (black and white dolls) and they choose white dolls nine times out of ten! That's where the destruction of positive black images or hell...black images in the media begin and end at. Further cementing white supremacy.

When you realize that television has NEVER catered to us (from Amos and Andy to Scandal)...then black people will realize what a blessing and an overbearing curse tell-lie-vision is.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Black people still set the fashion trends, so wtf are you talking about. Grills, gold chains, Jordans, big pants/tomboy-style (on women), etc. all comes from black culture. Skinny jeans and short ass shorts weren't big in the hood in the 80s/90s?

Black people have been involved in techno for the longest breh. Wtf do you think "Planet Rock" was?

Black people been skateboardin'. Harold Hunter don't ring a bell to you?

I think it's that you all have the most close minded view of blackness ever. Like, y'all are really on some constraining shyt. Funny thing is, you only show how much you don't know about your own people from the era you claim to love. nikkas wishhin for 20 years ago, but don't even know about everything that was happening 20 years ago. Y'all were in a box. A literal box. The world ain't gonna be your box from 20 years ago. In fact, it never was your box, you just didn't know anything outside of it. Literal plato's allegory mad cause the earth ain't black like your cave.

Dapped + REPPED

Also, mad black people skate here in NYC, and have in the past so people miss me with that racist crab in a barrel mentality in regards to that.

You never heard of Jovontae Turner
Harold Hunter
Lavar McBride
Terry Kennedy
Darell Stanton?
Ray Barbee?

Google's only a click away...

That "black people do this" "black people should do this" "you're not black if you do this" bullsh!t needs to die. Sounds like some self-hating, mental slavery, Willie Lynch bullsh!t that should stay in the 90s early 00s.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Nope.

Exactly my point. You should look things up before you try to speak them as fact. Black people been skateboardin' for damn near 40 years, black people who went through way more shyt than you. And you're trying to tell people to stop because it doesn't fit into your image of blackness. How damn disrespectful is that?

http://skateboarding.transworld.net...—a-history-of-black-skateboarding-exhibition/

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Some of y'all are pretty much saying that only white people should be doing certain things when it comes to your mentality.

I guess only white people should be architechts, astronauts, doctors, scientists...because we black people is too cool for that!

Skateboarding? That's for white people.
Rock? That's for white people.
Jobs? Those are for white people!
Paying bills on time? That's for white people!

This sounds like some stupid "yessuh massuh" bullshyt.

Meanwhile black folks that do that stuff have to get called a barrage of names by OTHER BLACK PEOPLE just cause they like it...that's part of the problem.

Honestly, I've had my fair share of favorite black comedians, but anytime they got into anything like this it would just make me cringe.

Why must we devalue ourselves just to be accepted by the low end of the black spectrum and by white people who love to watch us disrespect ourselves to feel "superior" to us?

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

Exactly my point. You should look things up before you try to speak them as fact. Black people been skateboardin' for damn near 40 years, black people who went through way more shyt than you. And you're trying to tell people to stop because it doesn't fit into your image of blackness. How damn disrespectful is that?

http://skateboarding.transworld.net/1000118373/features/how-we-roll—a-history-of-black-skateboarding-exhibition/

I'll rep you tomorrow, I went over today.

 

[Whitty Hutton]

Exactly my point. You should look things up before you try to speak them as fact. Black people been skateboardin' for damn near 40 years, black people who went through way more shyt than you. And you're trying to tell people to stop because it doesn't fit into your image of blackness. How damn disrespectful is that?

http://skateboarding.transworld.net/1000118373/features/how-we-roll—a-history-of-black-skateboarding-exhibition/

I didn't tell anybody to stop doing anything, you getting way too emotional over this
I'm all for that spreading out and broading horizons stuff, but at the end of the day it's nice to have something of our own and brings me back home. I can watch Big Bang Theory and bump Daft Punk with no problem, but I also want to be able to turn on the tv and see a program that relates to the very core of what i am. Which goes back to the basis of what this thread is really about

 

[Captain Crunch]

This goes back to @Todd2012 's comment...the next black renaissance will be online.

TV will always be controlled by the masters that only answer to money and ratings. That's what drives television. Money, commercial time, ratings, period. It will never go back to what it was and frankly we shouldn't need to go back to TV.

Sure, it sucks that TV has been used as a social engineering device and if there were more positive non-stereotypical Black roles on TV, it would give black Americans who do transcribe to it a more sentient and positive look at themselves.

I took a media analysis class in 2007. My professor was basically saying that in regards to media representation and white privelege, white people seeing images of themselves in all sorts of lights just gives them a sense of power. So, by that deduction, in regards to the limited representations black people see of themselves on TV (as pictures in Mugshots on the news, as pictures of victims of violent crime, as token characters on TV shows where they are passive or subservient to their white counterparts, as thugs and criminals, or only playing basketball/baseball/football, etc) they will begin to see themselves as POWERLESS (and this is more than likely the point...and this goes beyond white americans being the majority of the population to have more images/services/etc cater to them).

Hence the DOLL TEST. Where black children are asked to choose between the dolls that they feel relate to them (black and white dolls) and they choose white dolls nine times out of ten! That's where the destruction of positive black images or hell...black images in the media begin and end at. Further cementing white supremacy.

When you realize that television has NEVER catered to us (from Amos and Andy to Scandal)...then black people will realize what a blessing and an overbearing curse tell-lie-vision is.

True, also television and film is based on how much revenue something will generate. You never really see legit black tv shows/films because the few that come out in the past 10-15 years, rarely get supported. "Good Deeds" and "Daddy's Little Girls" are the two most positive films Tyler has ever done, yet it was the lowest grossing films he did. George Lucas financed a good portion of "Red Tails; many begged black folks to see it, yet the film barely turned a profit. "Second Generation Wayans" was a legit black show, that averaged less than 2 million viewers per episode.

So, although tv/film isn't catered to us, it's important to support the few shows/movies that paint us in a good light.