WSJ: Illegal Immigrants Get Public Health Care, Despite Federal Policy; MAKE UP 25% OF UNINSURED

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

deporting people won't do shyt.

again i've told you the feasible answers to the immigration problem. the problem with the answers are that we live in a society where capitalism will always benefit from labor they can exploit the most. it's easiest to exploit illegals.

What say you to wage depression of the last 30 years? Then you want to talk about stagnant wages of low skilled labor?

1988: Illegal Aliens Depress Wages for Some in U.S.

2015: Does Immigration Suppress Wages? It’s Not So Simple

 

[Paper Boi]

What say you to wage depression of the last 30 years? Then you want to talk about stagnant wages of low skilled labor?

1988: Illegal Aliens Depress Wages for Some in U.S.

2015: Does Immigration Suppress Wages? It’s Not So Simple

i say washington is the problem. you're not telling me stuff i don't know.

 

[BaggerofTea]

i say washington is the problem. you're not telling me stuff i don't know.

I broke it down for him

He wants neo-liberalism fix the problem that neo-liberalism created

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I broke it down for him

He wants neo-liberalism fix the problem that neo-liberalism created

Then you wonder why "The Wall" became a popular idea.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Then you wonder why "The Wall" became a popular idea.

A pipedream you mean

 

[TRFG]

Trump looking better day by day

 

[YeLovesBoston]

What we need is a better and mote comprehensive process for immigrant. Most of my family are immigrants. I know how tough it can be especially if you come from a poor setting.

I also have no issue with the government deporting illegal immigrants

 

[YeLovesBoston]

This is a misguided fight to the bottom.
The problem for black people in America isn't uneducated Mexicans taking menial labor jobs.

Let's be real here.

Bruh. We've been over this. You debating this doesn't change shyt.

A fight to the bottom isn't the issue. Its the competition to getting out of that bottom.

And this myth about picking fruit has also been dismissed so don't pretend these are all farm-hands

Both side is right in its own way. Illegal immigration hurts the chances for many poor black Americans who are already at disadvantaged. That's just real world shyt.
However, illegals arent the biggest reason many blacks are poor and/or unemployed

 

[jwonder]

Send their asses back. Trump 2016

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Both side is right in its own way. Illegal immigration hurts the chances for many poor black Americans who are already at disadvantaged. That's just real world shyt.
However, illegals arent the biggest reason many blacks are poor and/or unemployed

i'm not saying its THE reason, but we're talking about decades of an economic assault on the potential for black economic welfare in this country.

 

[WaveMolecules]

Its a two fold problem. You can't exactly ask these hospitals to turn away people in need of healthcare, if you did it would violate the Hippocratic oath

Why do you think illegals are heading here?

What economic conditions could have led to a swath of former agriculture workers adventure through a horrific journey, not just from Mexico but from all of Latin America to come to the United States?

Poor, hungry, no jobs, violence, lack of economic oppurtunity?

Where did those stem from?

Terrible political leader ship? Terrible economic policies?

Familiar with NAFTA? CAFTA?

Both of those legislations eliminated the agricultural sector of majority of Latin American countries and Mexico. That begun a migrant push to the US. Couple that with the drug violence (thanks to the unemployment created by NAFTA) that took off that exacerbated the migrant issue.

Couple that with capitalistic exploitation of the illegal status of immigrants. You have this problem

If you want to solve illegal immigration:

1. Scrap NAFTA
2. Pass laws that would force companies to pay illegal migrants the same pay as an American worker with punitive fines for hiring illegals to begin with
3. Cease the "War on Drugs" to neutralize much of the effectiveness of drug cartels

Quality post.

 

[Regular_P]

"County politicians figure it is cheaper, safer and easier to give basic health services to immigrants who can’t get insurance than to treat them only in the county’s emergency rooms."

Thread should have ended right here.

 

[jwonder]

Both side is right in its own way. Illegal immigration hurts the chances for many poor black Americans who are already at disadvantaged. That's just real world shyt.
However, illegals arent the biggest reason many blacks are poor and/or unemployed

Biggest problem with illegals is they are getting benefits that hard working Americans can't get.

They shouldn't be here period. I can't see why any black would come to their defense.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Hoes like @No_bammer_weed don't get it.

 

[Brown_Pride]

What say you to wage depression of the last 30 years? Then you want to talk about stagnant wages of low skilled labor?

1988: Illegal Aliens Depress Wages for Some in U.S.

2015: Does Immigration Suppress Wages? It’s Not So Simple

from your first 1988 post -

"The report identified restaurants and companies producing automobile parts, shoes and clothing as others that often employ illegal aliens. The aliens' willingness to work in low-skill jobs for less than the minimum wage in those industries has depressed wages and benefits for comparable native and legal immigrants, the G.A.O. said. But it also said the low wages paid illegal aliens allowed some of the businesses to grow or survive foreign competition, indirectly expanding job opportunities and wages for higher-skilled workers in the same trades.

Without a pool of illegal immigrants willing to be garment workers or shoemakers, the accounting office said, many companies would shut down."

Let me start off by saying ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is illegal...but it exists. So in a fairy tale land of rainbows and butterflies illegal immigration would magically disappear. Since we don't live in that place, nor will we ever, you have to contend with the realities of the situations. HEre are a few of those realities to take into consideration
1. illegal immigrants do pay taxes, mostly through fraud
2. illegal immigrants do use social services like schools (though a large chunks of the kids using the schools have illegal PARENTS, they themselves are citizens.)
3. While they can, the vast majority of illegal immigrants don't file for income tax returns.
4. Illegal immigration will always exist, you can't make it go away regardless of how high you build a wall.
5. Wage depressions is as much, in fact more so, a result of employers (americans) breaking the law.
6. Time and time again CREDIBLE all encompassing studies on the "cost" of illegal immigration have shown a marginal (small) net negative all the way through a marginal (small) net positive on america....meaning in the grand scheme of things when you really look at all the angles and account for as many variables as possible THIS IS A NON-ISSUE.

There's a pragmatic approach to issues like the one in your first post, and that approach is what the states who've implemented some form of healthcare for undocumented workers have used.

The problem with people who don't take the pragmatic approach to illegal immigration is that their solution is almost always to cute off their nose to spite their face.