Would you rather have Daniel Bryan/Cesaro/Shield involved in the M.E. or...

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The Rock is pretty much a scapegoat at this point. Face it people, Vince is never gonna push your favorite the way he should. Ive said it before and ll say it again Vince is NOT a good booker or even a good WRESTLING promoter but he is a genius at marketing therefore the person he pushes has to have a lok he agrees with for it to go on long term. D Bry was unfortunately an accident and not a guy he sees in the same light as the muscle heads he typically creams over. Til then enjoy the fukkery as it comes
 

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The Rock is pretty much a scapegoat at this point. Face it people, Vince is never gonna push your favorite the way he should. Ive said it before and ll say it again Vince is NOT a good booker or even a good WRESTLING promoter but he is a genius at marketing therefore the person he pushes has to have a lok he agrees with for it to go on long term. D Bry was unfortunately an accident and not a guy he sees in the same light as the muscle heads he typically creams over. Til then enjoy the fukkery as it comes

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As talented as guys like Daniel Bryan and Antonio Cesaro are, I don't think WWE places that much value in them as far as being potential top guys, and that's not something that can be blamed entirely on the part-timers or even WWE themselves.

The fact is, WWE WANTS to push their midcard, but a lot of people in the audience aren't responding to them. How many times have they tried to give some midcarders a long match on a PPV or on RAW and people (including ones on this very board) been like, "Why isn't this match on Superstars where it belongs? :rudy:"
 

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He doesnt make the best booking decisions but he knows how to make money. Want to back up my claim? Why could Paul E create a captivating wrestling program with little budget while Vince was floundering? He creates good hype where we will watch knowing the product is bad. Thats marketing breh.

Vince Mcmahon is the greatest wrestling promoter of all time and that cannot be disputed
 

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Vince Mcmahon is the greatest wrestling promoter of all time and that cannot be disputed

If you measure it by longevity and money made, yes he absolutely is. He is the funnel the directs the fukkery that goes on this is true. But there is a reason why he hates guys like Foley and JR. They simply get the business of wrestling a lot better than he does. I take nothing away from Vince's success at all. But I understand why he makes a lot of the boneheaded moves he makes and its because of what I mentioned before.
 

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Old guys should come back to put over young talent, that's how you maintain a sustainable, quality product. WWE doesn't seem to really get this, and as a result, some time in the near future, after years of burying full-timers, there's gonna come a day when there's no old guys left to come back and save.us...and that's when they'll really be in trouble.
 
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Old guys should come back to put over young talent, that's how you maintain a sustainable, quality product. WWE doesn't seem to really get this, and as a result, some time in the near future, after years of burying full-timers, there's gonna come a day when there's no old guys left to come back and save.us...and that's when they'll really be in trouble.

Y2j and hogan got it
 

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If certain part timers never came back, the WWE would be seen as just a kids program and be a laughing stock in history.
 

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The Rock is pretty much a scapegoat at this point. Face it people, Vince is never gonna push your favorite the way he should. Ive said it before and ll say it again Vince is NOT a good booker or even a good WRESTLING promoter but he is a genius at marketing therefore the person he pushes has to have a lok he agrees with for it to go on long term. D Bry was unfortunately an accident and not a guy he sees in the same light as the muscle heads he typically creams over. Til then enjoy the fukkery as it comes
People are trying to blame The Rock for everything when he's helping more than hindering. They would still have done that goofy 18 seconds bs even if Rock wasn't there last year. That's the way they think. I haven't switched views on anything since I've been here. I've always said booking will always be the problem. You can't blame guys like Lesnar and Rock for coming in and drawing when they are established stars from a time when the E knew how to book.

You can't get mad at that. Get mad at all those hacks who ruined Punk's push, made Cena a heel to smarks instead of tweaking his character, tried to suppress D Bry's chants to keep him heel, job Ziggler out because they feel it's the best way for a surprise cash in, buried Wade Barrett, made Sheamus corny, pushing Ryback when he's not close to ready, and HHH killing any momentum Orton had back in like 2009.

The people who run these shows are cowards who are scared of true progression so they sabotage their own product to stay safe. Once again what does Rock or Lesnar have to do with a problem that big? Nothing.
 
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Old guys should come back to put over young talent, that's how you maintain a sustainable, quality product. WWE doesn't seem to really get this, and as a result, some time in the near future, after years of burying full-timers, there's gonna come a day when there's no old guys left to come back and save.us...and that's when they'll really be in trouble.

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Because that's exactly what happened with Jericho and nikkas just complained about it.
 

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Thinking that The Rock is "taking" what could've been Bryan's or Cesaro's spot in the main event... is like watching WCW circa 1998 and thinking Hogan was taking Malenko or Jericho's spot.

These dudes ain't taking peoples' spots. Sure, someone else would be there if they weren't, but people forget they EARNED the right to those spots they have. You don't bring back the Rock and have him in the 5th match on the card, or bring out Taker and have him curtain-jerking... it's just not the way it goes. Especially not for some muhfukkas who've only been there a year or two and ain't sold a ticket yet. That sense of entitlement some people feel for their favorites is crazy, when all the top stars of the past worked their way there. Some of 'em even had to *gasp* job to established stars first. Now it's like if a muhfukka has some good matches on TV and doesn't get to wrestle for the belt at Mania, it becomes booking's fault and Vince's fault and Rock's fault... it's just a lame argument.
 
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