Would the world be better if we all subscribed to Evolution and Religion did not exist?

[swimmingpools]

No, because there would still be something else people would find to be divided over.

 

[Midrash]

Evolution is fact so it can't be subscribed to, only understood or misunderstood. And evolution is not in conflict with all religion, just literalist interpretations that don't acknowledge empirical truths.

This x1000

Not every christian is a fundamentalist

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I could replace Evolution with the Bible in the bolded statement and the only difference would be opinion/perspective/belief.

If you are claiming Evolution is a fact, the burden of proof now is on the claimer(you).

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I think we all agree that the world is a pretty messed up place with Religion.

Even so, reasonable minds would also agree Religion put some sort of structure to the chaos of the Natural world.

If we subtract religion from the Natural world,

we're left with Evolution since most of you believe it is already apart of the Natural world.

Society would then be based only on evolution since religion provided us with the basis of most of our philosophical concepts of morality and equality(dating back to Ancient Greece or even further)

If society was based on evolution, it would be structured by genetics and survival of the fittest

The question "who is more closer to the apes, whites, blacks, asians, or latinos?" would be taken a lot more seriously.

Would blacks still be considered 3/5 human beings? If not, which race would be?

Indeed the world would have less Hitlers if there was no religion,

but even more Attila the Huns(prime example of Darwin's survival of the fittest - alpha male)



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This is rife with factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies, but I've already rebutted these claims about 500 times here, and don't really feel like doing it again.

 

[Stone Cold]

No it can't and no we haven't. Science is not principle. It does not ask you to do anything it only presents a hypothesis and the evidence that supports it, nothing more. Evolution can only be used to justify racism if it is applied unscientifically and once removed from science then it is useless.

It does not command, it does not suggest, it does not cajole and it doesn't moralise. Religious texts do these things.

^This would be true in the world we live in today but

Returning back to my hypothetical scenerio, with Religion out of the picture,

essentially society would be strictly based on science and it would have to suggest,cajole, and moralize in order to provide a structure. So its application wouldn't be useless. In the real world, religion has that burden

 

[Stone Cold]

This is rife with factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies, but I've already rebutted these claims about 500 times here, and don't really feel like doing it again.

Then don't...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly.

So if we apply that same reasoning to Religion and how the wars,violence, and terrorism are a product of the misapplication of it. Religion in and of itself does not support those notions.

Which in fact is the point of this thread.

this is where you're wrong.

If you're the christian you claim to be, you can't ignore all the funky shyt in the bible

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is rife with factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies, but I've already rebutted these claims about 500 times here, and don't really feel like doing it again.

its amazing to meet people who really try to think they're making a point with this shyt.

deep down they have to know they're flawed. they just have to.

Even with their little circle of influence...they know they just want us to back down and stop poking holes in their arguments.

 

[Stone Cold]

this is where you're wrong.

If you're the christian you claim to be, you can't ignore all the funky shyt in the bible

Im speaking as an antagonist of darwinism and atheism and a supporter of religion on an objective level more so than a christian in this topic

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Exactly.

So if we apply that same reasoning to Religion and how the wars,violence, and terrorism are a product of the misapplication of it. Religion in and of itself does not support those notions.

Which in fact is the point of this thread.

 

[ThaRealness]

possibly

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Im speaking as an antagonist of darwinism and atheism and a supporter of religion on an objective level more so than a christian in this topic

darwinism isn't something i'm defending. That is nothing more than the politicization of the phenomenon of evolution.

I'm not with that.

Atheism is something I'll "explain" to you...since I'm not really defending anything. I'm not asserting anything.

I'm not even saying that "theres no god." Atheism isn't = No god. Its the lack of belief. Agnosticism is the lack of knowledge about something. Knowledge and Belief are two different things.

I'm saying that at the end of the day, the burden RESTS ON YOU to convince or persuade me to adopt your position.

As stated, you're an atheist towards every other religion you don't believe in.

...but something about christianity resonates with you...

Because I'm frankly...too smart...to subscribe to some of the arguments you've offered, I hope that you'll continue to try and craft and argument that i'll accept, if its that important to you.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No, because there would still be something else people would find to be divided over.

I think it would be "better" in the sense that I like to live in a society where people believe as few false things and as many true things as possible.

 

[Stone Cold]

its amazing to meet people who really try to think they're making a point with this shyt.

deep down they have to know they're flawed. they just have to.

Even with their little circle of influence...they know they just want us to back down and stop poking holes in their arguments.

I just wanted to legitimately post this pic one time in this thread

success

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Wouldn't stop racism, greed, or violence

So nope wouldn't make a differnce

 

[Greenstrings]

^This would be true in the world we live in today but

Returning back to my hypothetical scenerio, with Religion out of the picture,

essentially society would be strictly based on science and it would have to suggest,cajole, and moralize in order to provide a structure. So its application wouldn't be useless. In the real world, religion has that burden

No it wouldn't. You seem to believe that religion and science function in terms of a dichotomy, you are wrong. The structures that our societies are founded on and our ethical and moral mores do not stem exclusively from religion. You take away religion, the courts still exist, the apparatus of state that were explicitly separated from religion still exist. Religion may have played a fundamental role in the founding of these principles in a societal context but they became self-sustaining centuries ago.

If this was the case then secular communities would be untenable and this is clearly not the case.

Science would not have to do anything, there isn't any person or any society that claims to live their lives in accordance with science atheist or not. It isn't in competition with religion except in the minds of those that question it under false pretenses.