WON: WWE Trying To Convince Talent That Their Career Will Be "Over" If The Leave

[gdatruth]

But if ur still getting paid, primarily, top dollar in terms of wrestling biz, for doing nothing....dont you ride that out?

Are you even traveling to TV tapings? You should be saving that dough. You're prob just doing house shows.

yeah it depends on the wrestler
looke Rusev/Lana vs Nak

Rusev/Lana have made it known how unhappy they are and how they feel underutilized
Nak by all accounts is happy getting that WWE paycheck, living in Fla and surfing (he been on cruise control most his wwe run)

 

[TrueEpic08]

Thing is, EC3 did it. There would be no EC3 without TNA. His problem is that he was dumb enough to go back

A couple of issues to consider here are:

1. Until AEW came around, the only places to make real money in the business were WWE, NJPW, and maybe ROH (for all intents and purposes, Impact is still a shambles when it comes to paying people). Depending on who you are, it makes more sense to have WWE's job security and paycheck over trying to hustle and be one of the thousands of indy talents that gets hot per year. Remember, for every guy or girl that we see doing 7 shows during Mania weekend, there are many, many others for whom wrestling has to be nothing more than a hobby, because they make nothing off of it. And as others said, even after you leave WWE, that afterglow will only take you so far if you happen to just be an undercarder who never wrestled on the main shows and got released (see: Maria and Mike Kanellis, who probably understood this and resigned accordingly). Beyond that, you really have to work to make a living in wrestling, and that's not really something a lot of people want to do.

2. Most of the wrestlers in the back are marks who grew up with WWE as either the dominant or ONLY game in town. If you're my age or younger (as a lot of the roster is nowadays), then you hadn't even gone through puberty when WCW died, much less really have been watching when it was at its peak in 1996-1998. That means a lot for these guys, and it's very difficult to shake that nostalgic feeling and pay attention to the business aspect of the game. It's probably even harder if they have no experience on the independent circuit or abroad in places like Japan and England that teaches them that there's life outside of WWE (naturally, this is harder for the women than for the men in wrestling). That's absolutely something they have to get around if they don't want to be taken in by this ridiculous rhetoric. They have to understand that, even without AEW picking them up, there's still a way to have a life in wrestling.

 

[boriquaking]

Yeah I watched a shoot that she was on she works as a transcriptionist and she produces the ladys of the ring series for CZWs production company.

Curt Hawkins was hustling a couple years ago when he was released dude loves wrestling he will be straight. The thing is theres money to be made but you have to promote your self and go find it. Some cats only want to work for WWE and they don't have the drive to get work on the outside

In other sports, when you get kicked out of the big leagues its because you’re not good enough.

In wrestling its because they may not like you. I
Say that to say this.

A lot of guys probably get the boot, feel depressed, and they want things handed to them like before they got fired.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

@TrueEpic08 good post, especially that part about the guys not reaching puberty before WCW went under. There’s quite a few WWE wrestlers that are simply WWE marks, and have been programmed that if it’s not WWE, then it sucks. These are the types of guys the WWE wants. I turn 32 next month, meaning I was 14 in 2001. More than half my life I grew up without WCW (and ECW), but I’m fortunate enough to had been a fan of those companies and remember what they meant to wrestling. Apparently there’s guys the same age as me and under that are employed by the WWE that don’t feel the same. They’re more than happy with the WWE Or Nothing notion.

 

[R=G]

A couple of issues to consider here are:

1. Until AEW came around, the only places to make real money in the business were WWE, NJPW, and maybe ROH (for all intents and purposes, Impact is still a shambles when it comes to paying people). Depending on who you are, it makes more sense to have WWE's job security and paycheck over trying to hustle and be one of the thousands of indy talents that gets hot per year. Remember, for every guy or girl that we see doing 7 shows during Mania weekend, there are many, many others for whom wrestling has to be nothing more than a hobby, because they make nothing off of it. And as others said, even after you leave WWE, that afterglow will only take you so far if you happen to just be an undercarder who never wrestled on the main shows and got released (see: Maria and Mike Kanellis, who probably understood this and resigned accordingly). Beyond that, you really have to work to make a living in wrestling, and that's not really something a lot of people want to do.

2. Most of the wrestlers in the back are marks who grew up with WWE as either the dominant or ONLY game in town. If you're my age or younger (as a lot of the roster is nowadays), then you hadn't even gone through puberty when WCW died, much less really have been watching when it was at its peak in 1996-1998. That means a lot for these guys, and it's very difficult to shake that nostalgic feeling and pay attention to the business aspect of the game. It's probably even harder if they have no experience on the independent circuit or abroad in places like Japan and England that teaches them that there's life outside of WWE (naturally, this is harder for the women than for the men in wrestling). That's absolutely something they have to get around if they don't want to be taken in by this ridiculous rhetoric. They have to understand that, even without AEW picking them up, there's still a way to have a life in wrestling.

#1 of your breakdown is the difference being great and being a lackluster who is there for the money and has no room to argue about booking or pushing. Difference between a Rock and a piece of shyt like Tye Dillinger...a chump who accepted to be a comedy #10 pick in the Rumble instead of creating a spot where he would get pushed like Drew, Blandy, or Sheamus.Those guys are just social media crying little bytches now...they should of walked a long time ago if they were gonna get jobbed out and lose name value by the year.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

A couple of issues to consider here are:

1. Until AEW came around, the only places to make real money in the business were WWE, NJPW, and maybe ROH (for all intents and purposes, Impact is still a shambles when it comes to paying people). Depending on who you are, it makes more sense to have WWE's job security and paycheck over trying to hustle and be one of the thousands of indy talents that gets hot per year. Remember, for every guy or girl that we see doing 7 shows during Mania weekend, there are many, many others for whom wrestling has to be nothing more than a hobby, because they make nothing off of it. And as others said, even after you leave WWE, that afterglow will only take you so far if you happen to just be an undercarder who never wrestled on the main shows and got released (see: Maria and Mike Kanellis, who probably understood this and resigned accordingly). Beyond that, you really have to work to make a living in wrestling, and that's not really something a lot of people want to do.

2. Most of the wrestlers in the back are marks who grew up with WWE as either the dominant or ONLY game in town. If you're my age or younger (as a lot of the roster is nowadays), then you hadn't even gone through puberty when WCW died, much less really have been watching when it was at its peak in 1996-1998. That means a lot for these guys, and it's very difficult to shake that nostalgic feeling and pay attention to the business aspect of the game. It's probably even harder if they have no experience on the independent circuit or abroad in places like Japan and England that teaches them that there's life outside of WWE (naturally, this is harder for the women than for the men in wrestling). That's absolutely something they have to get around if they don't want to be taken in by this ridiculous rhetoric. They have to understand that, even without AEW picking them up, there's still a way to have a life in wrestling.

Addressing #1 this is where creating your brand comes into play. You can be whatever you want to be after leaving and if it's good enough and catches fire, you wan pretty much write your ticket anywhere. If you're not willing to take a chance on yourself by improving and striving to be the best you can and youd rather coast, you're a shyt employee.

Addressing #2, I'm only 3 or 4 years older than you. You're around my brothers age. He still remembers flipping through channels to see what was going on both Nitro and RAW. The fantasy booking of who would win between Austin and Goldberg. They became marks for wrestlemania moments and increasingly irrelevant championship reigns. That age difference shouldnt be an excuse for staying unhappy where you are. The company trying to brainwash them into staying only illustrates the fact.

 

[dh86]

Jon Moxley is a bigger star right now than Dean Ambrose was as champ. If Prince Devitt showed up at All Out, is there any doubt it would surpass 4 years of Finn Balor in WWE?

 

[Amor fati]

They are sneak threatening the talent now? I can imagine Vince and Kevin Dunn on some
"

You'll Be Back! YOU'LL BE BACK.... Shake Harder Dunn!"

Gahhhhah....For fukk sake.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

The Kanellis' contract is up in a few days

they resigned

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Sheets are saying the re-signed

they resigned

You know, I can't really blame them.

I think both of them are deep into their 30s and they just had a kid, so they probably need the stability of a WWE check before they officially hang it up.

That's why I think Lashley came back too.

WWE's a good place to get that "gold watch" check and them retire.

Thing is, EC3 did it. There would be no EC3 without TNA. His problem is that he was dumb enough to go back

It's hard to blame him too.

I mean, you're gonna get screwed over in WWE or TNA, but at least WWE pay you.

There's no reason that a talent of EC3's level should be having to worry about if he's gonna get paid or not.

That's awful.

A couple of issues to consider here are:

2. Most of the wrestlers in the back are marks who grew up with WWE as either the dominant or ONLY game in town. If you're my age or younger (as a lot of the roster is nowadays), then you hadn't even gone through puberty when WCW died, much less really have been watching when it was at its peak in 1996-1998. That means a lot for these guys, and it's very difficult to shake that nostalgic feeling and pay attention to the business aspect of the game. It's probably even harder if they have no experience on the independent circuit or abroad in places like Japan and England that teaches them that there's life outside of WWE (naturally, this is harder for the women than for the men in wrestling). That's absolutely something they have to get around if they don't want to be taken in by this ridiculous rhetoric. They have to understand that, even without AEW picking them up, there's still a way to have a life in wrestling.

I keep forgetting this.

For most of my life, wrestlers were all older than me, but now I forget, these are all people who are mostly a whole decade younger than me.

They don't remember Nitro. or ECW

For them, WWE's the whole show.

No wonder Sasha & Bayley and them seem to be so torn up about this.

20 years ago, guys would've just headed down to Atlanta with no hesitation like Kevin Nash & Scott Hall did.

 

[TobiOT]

Mike and Maria Kanellis have re-signed with WWE, confirmed by our Dave Meltzer.

Pro Wrestling Sheet was first to report the deals, while Fightful reported the contract will extend their WWE run by five years which Meltzer also confirmed.

Maria's second run with the company, and Mike's first, kicked off at Money in the Bank in June 2017. September of that year saw the couple announce that they were expecting their first child.

Maria took a leave of absence after the August 29, 2017, SmackDown and Mike went from an undercard act to largely absent from television. Maria made a special appearance at the Raw 25th Anniversary show in January 2018, and the couple welcomed the birth of their daughter in April 2018.

Mike saw his television drought end end later that month as he became a regular on Main Event after being shifted to the Raw brand in the first Superstar Shake-up. Maria returned to television as Mike's manager in October 2018, and their act moved to 205 Live.

 

[malbaker86]

It’s funny how Steph says that you can build your brand in WWE when Zack Ryder tried to do that and was buried for it.

That's the main thing that stood out to me. They buried him for getting himself over.

 

[Reality Check]

A lot of these dudes are gonna be in for a rude awakening when AEW has no interest in them.

Jericho already said they're not trying to get a bunch of WWE guys, So i highly doubt they're gonna stuff their roster with the rejects too.

AEW has that MJF guy, do they really need EC3?

MJF did to EC3 what Bryson Tiller did to PND. MJF is lightyears ahead of EC3 in regards to this gimmick and getting legitimate heel heat.

You know, I can't really blame them.

I think both of them are deep into their 30s and they just had a kid, so they probably need the stability of a WWE check before they officially hang it up.

Not to mention WWE also covered Mike Bennett's time in rehab for a pain killer addition which helped him get sober, so there could be a sort of loyalty to the company that helped turn him around.

 

[JerseyBoy23]

I keep forgetting this.

For most of my life, wrestlers were a thanow I forget, these are all people who are mostly a whole decade younger than me.

They don't remember Nitro. or ECW

For them, WWE's the whole show.

No wonder Sasha & Bayley and them seem to be so torn up about this.

20 years ago, guys would've just headed down to Atlanta with no hesitation like Kevin Nash & Scott Hall did.

Yeah Sasha is a ‘92 baby so I don’t even think she was 9 when WCW and ECW ended. Bayley on the other hand was born in 89 and should remember but she stans WWE the same way.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Props to Mike and Maria for signing when they did. Maria was already pregnant when they signed, and they 100% came for the checks and rehab for Mike. Plus, Mike is in better physical shape now than he ever was. Take them for all they’re worth Kanellis’