So why doesn't everyone hold the belt if its so easy? Why isn't the Diaz bros Chuck Liddell status. Why didn't Condit stop Hendricks taking him down 8 times? This is my last response to you because you clearly have no idea what you are saying
Wladimir Klitschko vs Jon Jones (MMA)
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So why doesn't everyone hold the belt if its so easy? Why isn't the Diaz bros Chuck Liddell status. Why didn't Condit stop Hendricks taking him down 8 times? This is my last response to you because you clearly have no idea what you are saying
Hendrix is stronger than Condit for one, size and strength plays a factor in wrestling more so than any martial art also Condit has TERRIBLE WRESTLING, but it doesn't stop him from being an accomplished MMA fighter
plus anything can factor in the fight, its not impossible for Jones to take Wlad down and submit him, I'm just saying Wlad it's not written in stone to happen like tha since
Wlad is bigger and more powerful than Jones
Wlad would be more helpless against BJJ than wrestling if anything
there's a reason why Randy had to go for the single leg against James Toney
for one he wanted to get as low as possible to avoid being KO'd, two its easier to drag somone down with two hands around one leg, especially when you don't really have a size of strength advantage
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Some really delusional people in this thread. Basic MMA training is not going to stop Wlad from getting manhandled.
Jones has some of the best wrestling in MMA. He's out-grappled some really good wrestlers/grapplers: Bader (2-time NCAA All-American), Rashad Evans (JUCO champion), Jake O'brian (NCAA All-American), Vlad Matyushenko (Soviet National Champion), Machida (Blackbelt with excellent TDD), Chael (NCAA All-American, Olympic Alternate) and Matt Hamill (3-time Division 3 Champion).
So Jones was able to out-grapple the afore-mentioned decorated grapplers, but will fail to out-grapple a boxer with 'basic MMA training'.
Jones has some of the best wrestling in MMA. He's out-grappled some really good wrestlers/grapplers: Bader (2-time NCAA All-American), Rashad Evans (JUCO champion), Jake O'brian (NCAA All-American), Vlad Matyushenko (Soviet National Champion), Machida (Blackbelt with excellent TDD), Chael (NCAA All-American, Olympic Alternate) and Matt Hamill (3-time Division 3 Champion).
So Jones was able to out-grapple the afore-mentioned decorated grapplers, but will fail to out-grapple a boxer with 'basic MMA training'.
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Some really delusional people in this thread. Basic MMA training is not going to stop Wlad from getting manhandled.
Jones has some of the best wrestling in MMA. He's out-grappled some really wrestlers/grapplers: Bader (2-time NCAA All-American), Rashad Evans (JUCO champion), Jake O'brian (NCAA All-American), Vlad Matyushenko (Soviet National Champion), Machida (Blackbelt with excellent TDD), Chael (NCAA All-American, Olympic Alternate) and Matt Hamill (3-time Division 3 Champion).
So Jones was able to out-grapple the afore-mentioned decorated grapplers, but will fail to out-grapple a boxer with 'basic MMA training'.
news flash MMA is not grappling
plus HE WAS BIGGER THAN ALL THOSE GUYS, Gus was nowhere near as good a grappler as those guys and he couldn't take him down, HE ACTUALLY TOOK JONES DOWN
Some really delusional people in this thread. Basic MMA training is not going to stop Wlad from getting manhandled.
Jones has some of the best wrestling in MMA. He's out-grappled some really wrestlers/grapplers: Bader (2-time NCAA All-American), Rashad Evans (JUCO champion), Jake O'brian (NCAA All-American), Vlad Matyushenko (Soviet National Champion), Machida (Blackbelt with excellent TDD), Chael (NCAA All-American, Olympic Alternate) and Matt Hamill (3-time Division 3 Champion).
So Jones was able to out-grapple the afore-mentioned decorated grapplers, but will fail to out-grapple a boxer with 'basic MMA training'.
Jones learned MMA from watching youtube breh, nikka learned how to do ARMBARS from watching youtube
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Wow, you're an idiot.
His words not mine, he said watched seminars on youtubes and took the moves to the gym to practice
also had had only being doing MMA for two years before his UFC run
He learned to strike from playing tekken 3
Some really delusional people in this thread. Basic MMA training is not going to stop Wlad from getting manhandled.
Jones has some of the best wrestling in MMA. He's out-grappled some really wrestlers/grapplers: Bader (2-time NCAA All-American), Rashad Evans (JUCO champion), Jake O'brian (NCAA All-American), Vlad Matyushenko (Soviet National Champion), Machida (Blackbelt with excellent TDD), Chael (NCAA All-American, Olympic Alternate) and Matt Hamill (3-time Division 3 Champion).
So Jones was able to out-grapple the afore-mentioned decorated grapplers, but will fail to out-grapple a boxer with 'basic MMA training'.
Breh, fukk all that shyt. Wlad will work with Phil Davis for six months and toss Jones off him like a toothpick because hes like Uhh Big and Strong derp derp derp
He didn't learn MMA from youtube, he initially trained with Bombsquad MMA and supplemented his training with some youtube clips. He's been fighting MMA professionally for nearly 6 years now and is a completely different fighter than he was even 3 years ago. His gym Jackson's MMA is considered the best MMA gym in the world by a lot of people.
The Gustafsson thing isn't accurate at all since Jones easily beat guys as big/bigger than Gus like Stephan Bonnar and Brandon Vera. Gustafsson's style isn't grappling (although he's actually pretty good at it, and is definitely not "nowhere near as good at it" like you think), but his take down defense is top 5 in the sport, and no one takes him down easily, not even the only other guy to beat him (Phil Davis).
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For those who doubt Jones' wrestling/grappling:
For those who doubt Jones' wrestling/grappling:
Jon Jones man handling smaller guys for the most part
You realise stopping a shot has a lot more to do with technique than size, right? He weighs the same as pretty much all of them, even Sonnen.
Explain how this doesn't happen to Klitschko, or better yet how he stops this.
I'll bet you'll claim he's too "big" for that to happen to him lol.