Winning title is literally the most overated way.

[killacal]

What's the purpose of playing the game?

Money

 

[Street Knowledge]

Montana's teams were 4-1 in games were Montana threw multiple pics in the playoffs including the legendary "The Catch" game. Pats are 3-2 when Brady throws multiples. Colts won a SB with Manning throwing 7 pics in 4 games. Meanwhile Marino's teams were 1-9. Contrary to myth, winning in the NFL is not all about the QB. Teams that are most dependant on their QB generally don't fare that well come playoff time. Consequently QBs tend to struggle as individuals in these circumstances as well. Look no further than Brady's career. Early on when they weren't as dependant on him he made fewer mistakes and they won. Later on when they were more dependant he's struggled and they haven't won.

Who said that? What were saying is that's its still far and away the most important position on the field and especially in the postseason. For every interception a QB throws his teams chances of winning decreases by 25%. No other position on the field has that kind of impact. If you keep the ball out of the hands of your opponents, you win nearly 80 percent of the time. Picks in the playoffs are absolute killers and Marino threw far too many.


People making it seem like those who don't have Marino as the GOAT because he doesn't have a ring. Na it's because his playoff performance fell off worse then almost every other HOF quarterback that's why

 

[FTBS]

Who said that? What were saying is that's its still far and away the most important position on the field and especially in the postseason. For every interception a QB throws his teams chances of winning decreases by 25%. No other position on the field has that kind of impact. If you keep the ball out of the hands of your opponents, you win nearly 80 percent of the time. Picks in the playoffs are absolute killers and Marino threw far too many.


People making it seem like those who don't have Marino as the GOAT because he doesn't have a ring. Na it's because his playoff performance fell off worse then almost every other HOF quarterback that's why

I am not denying the impact that QBs have my only point is that said impact is overstated. Championship caliber teams can survive struggles by their qb. Furthermore championship caliber teams are less likely to put their qb in position to struggle. As important as the QB position is you still have so many other variables that come into play. I am not even saying Marino is GOAT, I am merely saying that other factors contributed to both he and the Dolphins playoff struggles. I highly doubt that switching him with Montana or any other great QB would have changed those things.

 

[Street Knowledge]

But as for the rest of the thread... I've noticed alot of the "rings don't count nikkaz" always root against specific players not to win rings. That never made sense to me. like if they don't count/and or matter

Why you care if someone doesn't get a chip?

 

[DANKTHRONE]

The OP is 100% accurate. It is just a design quirk in North American sports leagues that the champion is designated by an end of season tournament. A better way to say who the best team would be to declare the team with the best record in the regular season champion. They do that in Premier League Soccer I think. In MLB for example the playoffs aren't going to tell you who the best team really is. Let's say that the best team is like a 55-60% to win a game over the worst team. Go to RANDOM.ORG - Coin Flipper and see how many different ways that can play out.

Good luck convincing people who are retarded or math illiterate of these simple facts though. Sports Talk is basically just loudmouth fukk nikkas who play armchair psychology for a living because they aren't good journalists. Oh well.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Money

 

[wtfyomom]

What's with these logical fallacies like..

"oh people say Horry>>>Weber"

"Horry> Malone"

Who the fukk does? No1 does, yet I see peopl say it all the time

nah nobody says Horry>Malone Ill give you that. Ewing,Barkely and Malone are kind of like thought of as a little less cause they didnt win but they mostly get their credit. Webber I think cause of the timeout and he never even reached the finals is branded a little more

 

[wtfyomom]

The OP is 100% accurate. It is just a design quirk in North American sports leagues that the champion is designated by an end of season tournament. A better way to say who the best team would be to declare the team with the best record in the regular season champion. They do that in Premier League Soccer I think. In MLB for example the playoffs aren't going to tell you who the best team really is. Let's say that the best team is like a 55-60% to win a game over the worst team. Go to RANDOM.ORG - Coin Flipper and see how many different ways that can play out.

Good luck convincing people who are retarded or math illiterate of these simple facts though. Sports Talk is basically just loudmouth fukk nikkas who play armchair psychology for a living because they aren't good journalists. Oh well.

definitely true, Im not into soccer like that but I worked with an italian dude for a couple years that was heavy into soccer and I was like surprised I thought there was a playoff. It def compares the most to baseball, if youre the best team over 162 games you are the best team. 5 and 7 games aint shiit compared to 162. Not to say I would get rid of the postseason cause its exciting but Im not going to think the 83 win cards were the best team in 06. Ill just take it as what it is.

 

[wtfyomom]

You must support shyt teams

well I am a Yankees fan but the Jets and Knicks aint winning anytime soon lol but that has nothing to do with it. None of the people I usually bring up int his argument are on my teams

 

[wtfyomom]

That makes no sense when judging off an all-time list. Therefore, in your world, an all-time list is impossible because you've already got a cut off date.

In a sense yes. All time just means not only current players to me. Like Im not taking Bird,Magic, Kareem off cause theyre current players. But im sure 50 years from now those guys will be replaced by better athletes and then the Jobes, Lebrons or whoever will be the older part of the list as the next generation takes over. People are always going to be stronger and better athletes as time goes by. I dont know why some cant accept that and move on. 100 years from now there will be a guy that will make Jordan look like a scrub at basketball.

 

[wtfyomom]

Marino is not the GOAT QB and the reason he doesn't have any rings is because he underperformed and threw too many picks in the playoffs almost every year.

Marino Passer ratings in playoff loses

77.6
66.9
54.9
72.1
56.5
109.8
63.4
29.3
65.5
34.6

in Marino's ten career playoff losses, he threw multiple picks in NINE of them

For every interception thrown in the playoffs, a quarterback decreases his teams chances of winning by nearly 25%

0 INT – 196-53 (.787)
1 INT – 146-122 (.545)
2 INT – 54-120 (.310)
3 INT – 17-79 (.177)
4+ INT – 1-41 (.024)
The Almighty CHFF Interception Ladder

That's why he's not the GOAT, it's more of his playoff performance than rings

If he was throwing to Rice maybe those numbers go up

 

[wtfyomom]

But as for the rest of the thread... I've noticed alot of the "rings don't count nikkaz" always root against specific players not to win rings. That never made sense to me. like if they don't count/and or matter

Why you care if someone doesn't get a chip?

I was rooting heavy against the Heat but my Prob was never just Lebron, I thought the superteam was collusion. I dislike Wade as much or more then Bron

 

[wtfyomom]

had to up this in honor of peyton