Will the United States survive a constitutional crisis?

[DEAD7]

The issue is that one of them is *actually* fascist and oppressive - "literally" eroding the rights of minority groups, increasing poverty, increasing subjugation, and outright destroying the quality of the life - while the other is mimicking their criticisms.

"Perspective" only matters if there is an equal basis for both viewpoints - there is not in this case, no matter how many billionaires and cops cry and throw tantrums.

There are no objective takes here...
But i will say we live in a society where the belief makes it real.
We wouldnt be where we are if it didnt.

 

[DEAD7]

Don't confuse the TV talking points with reality. Like when they say socialist or socialism on TV it's just a word designed to incite a knee jerk reaction to a certain subset of viewers. It's not about actual socalism.

I disagree...
Most conservatives including low imformation voters equate socialism with government control/central planning... and i'd say 99% of the time whatever is being discussed fits into that box.

I dont think anyone(politician or voter) on either side of the aisle is actually thinking worker owned means of production.

 

[EndDomination]

There are no objective takes here...
But i will say we live in a society where the belief makes it real.
We wouldnt be where we are if it didnt.

There are plenty of objective measures.
One party making it: harder to vote, increasing penalties for social crimes, pushing larger groups into poverty, pulling the wealth out of Black communities, encouraging hyperpolicing, taking away barriers to exploitation - those are the markers of subjugation and fascism, whether you think you can "both sides" them or not

 

[DEAD7]

There are plenty of objective measures.
One party making it: harder to vote, increasing penalties for social crimes, pushing larger groups into poverty, pulling the wealth out of Black communities, encouraging hyperpolicing, taking away barriers to exploitation - those are the markers of subjugation and fascism, whether you think you can "both sides" them or not

Yeah... I'd say its a matter of perspective.
Black conservatives make those claims against Dems all the time.
#perspective

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

The Democrats need to mobilize a large sect of the non-voting population through a perpetual campaign that isn't just tied to "get out to vote," or "Trump bad."

They need to either embrace the Left, and utilize their tactics in a way where the majority of the working-class population feels represented, or they will continue to lose and our civil rights will continue to be eroded. It isn't difficult either: they have the money and the staff for it - they simply refuse to do it.

Local participation increases participation in federal elections, creates permanent bases of power, and actually *improves the quality of life for the average American.*

The DNC and the other associated Democratic bodies are run by sheer morons and corrupt fools.

You know that's never gonna happen though. What incentive would Democrats have to embrace strategies that would get them voted out of power? If they cared about the greater good we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with.

 

[EndDomination]

Yeah... I'd say its a matter of perspective.
Black conservatives make those claims against Dems all the time.
#perspective

The difference is that one of them is actually happening while the other isn't

 

[EndDomination]

You know that's never gonna happen though. What incentive would Democrats have to embrace strategies that would get them voted out of power? If they cared about the greater good we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with.

I’m saying they have to adapt or die, they need to at least embrace “progressive” stances wholeheartedly. I’m well/aware their wealthy donors would oppose this in full.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

the sht isn't complicated , humans are tribal by nature. There shouldn't be only 2 parties and it wasnt even meant to be that way.

the internet now just makes each side rep even harder and makes the divide even bigger

 

[Consigliere]

While what’s happening here is being driven by unresolved racial animus left over from Reconstruction it isn’t the full story.

IMO what’s happening on both sides is a slow realization that our government will NEVER produce the outcomes that the electorate wants due to corporate/globalist whatever you want to call it interests. One side has realized this and has resorted to violence (while having the system in a headlock). The other side is still trying to work the system and failing (because the system has them in a headlock). And instead of having class warfare to resolve it we’re gearing up to fight it out among the working class.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Do you really think the majority of Americans care about the issues deep down? If people really cared about this stuff the results of elections would reflect it. If most voters cared about issues Donald Trump would have never been elected. Most of these people treat politics like religion. They were born, handed a set of beliefs and went with that. Others accept the talking points of their news channel of choice without much thought.

There's not as many actually thinking about and analyzing what's going on and seeking the best path forward. That's why so many politicians can get elected and reelected over and over again.

Donald Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary by almost 3 million, he then lost the popular vote by 7 million to biden. Republican politicians routinely win races due to gerrymandering more than anything else. Republican politicians continue to represent a minority that shrinks in number every year. Donald trump winning is more of an indication of our voting systems being rigged and broken which is once again the fault of one party which happens to be the extremist one.

Not sure how Donald trump winning proves anything about the American voting public. It doesn’t make sense to try and equate democrats and republican voters because when it comes down to it one group literally doesn’t live in the same reality as the rest of us to the point where they believe the election was stolen in a coup. This is being driven by misinformation from Fox News and the right wing online media.

The idea that the democrats and their voters are equally at fault for the division in this country isn’t based in reality at all. Sounds like shyt people on cnn or msnbc would say because they like having access to republican politicians. It’s almost as bad as the misinformation that republicans themselves put out and helps no one except extremists in the Republican Party. It’s galaxy brained centrist nonsense

 

[AnonymityX1000]

i blame the dems

When there are only two parties and the one that keeps claiming it's smarter keeps losing who else is there to blame?

 

[acri1]

The Democrats need to mobilize a large sect of the non-voting population through a perpetual campaign that isn't just tied to "get out to vote," or "Trump bad."

They need to either embrace the Left, and utilize their tactics in a way where the majority of the working-class population feels represented, or they will continue to lose and our civil rights will continue to be eroded. It isn't difficult either: they have the money and the staff for it - they simply refuse to do it.

Local participation increases participation in federal elections, creates permanent bases of power, and actually *improves the quality of life for the average American.*

The DNC and the other associated Democratic bodies are run by sheer morons and corrupt fools.

That's naive.

I've always been on the political left myself but race/culture issues are always going to "Trump" any sort of economic appeal. That's just how people are.

 

[Rekkapryde]

We've reached a point now where a presidential candidate can't even lose an election without people rioting. Political tribalism is rotting this country out from the inside. I think it's pretty clear that we're never going back to a more civil level of politics. I think it's also clear that the republican party will likely be the source of such an event as they purge their party of people who even display a remote level of sense or decency.

This thing came down to a handful of people deciding not to test the fabric of the country in the last election. As that party rids themselves of people who would make such decisions we're likely going to have that crisis inside the next two presidential cycles. All it would take as a Trump like politician that's a bit more calculating and less egotistical to turn this whole thing on it's head.

For so long the republican party has bred a level of voter primed for someone like Trump to manipulate. Now that has come to pass and the party itself is afraid to stand up to the mob it's created. They all fall over themselves to serve the now out of control monster they helped make. They can't even give these people facts anymore. All they accept is what they want to hear.

this country has gone 200 plus years without a complete government overhaul. That's pretty good in the context of history.

But yeah, a reset is coming and needed. The dollar has compromised morals and you can't survive like that.

Places like Faux News and Conservative radio are the primary factors too in the last 20 plus years.

 

[Rekkapryde]

I don't. It's just the way society is now. Biggie vs 2Pac, Nas vs Jay-Z, Apple vs Android, Marvel vs DC, Xbox vs PlayStation you see it in all these other places. People tribalized and taking sides and they want to see the other side fail just as much if not more so than they want to see their side win. The internet allowed people who normally wouldn't even encounter each other to come together and accelerate this. Society is too far gone now to pull back.

there's always gonna be A vs B in shyt with competition. At least there was respect before. That has gone to complete shyt politically and that can't happen.

 

[Rekkapryde]

The Democrats need to mobilize a large sect of the non-voting population through a perpetual campaign that isn't just tied to "get out to vote," or "Trump bad."

They need to either embrace the Left, and utilize their tactics in a way where the majority of the working-class population feels represented, or they will continue to lose and our civil rights will continue to be eroded. It isn't difficult either: they have the money and the staff for it - they simply refuse to do it.

Local participation increases participation in federal elections, creates permanent bases of power, and actually *improves the quality of life for the average American.*

The DNC and the other associated Democratic bodies are run by sheer morons and corrupt fools.

When you allow the "far" group on either side to become the loudest voice, you have a problem. And the internet has only exacerbated this.