Will Thanos (MCU) ever be topped as the GOAT comic book movie villain?

[5n0man]

Power/Threat Level is part of what makes a good villain. How can a villain be great if he can't truly threaten the heroes in any real fashion?

Part of what hurts Joker is that he posed no real threat to Batman himself, just his livelihood. He can hurt/kill civilians, destroy buildings and troll the hero, but when pressed or things didn't go his way (like with the boats not blowing up) Joker completely crumbled.

I disagree.
Threat level alone doesn't make a good villain.

I put joker over thanos because ledger brought that character to life, a damn near perfect portrayal of the character. That's exactly how I picture joker being if he actually existed in real life. Joker literally made that movie what it was, not batman.

Joker has always been a top tier villain in comics and it's never been because he posed a serious threat to batman, it's his ability to get inside his head and make him second guess his morals. Batman could realistically kill joker at any point but that's exactly what joker wants. If batman killed joker then ultimately joker wins.

 

[5n0man]

Don't forget that Thanos actually WON and achieved his goal to the point they had to use time travel to actually beat him and still almost lost.

If your going by pure threat level and the fact that he "won" in infinite war, then it's only fair to bring up the fact that he only won because Thor spared him by not going for the kill shot.

 

[TNC]

I disagree.
Threat level alone doesn't make a good villain.

I put joker over thanos because ledger brought that character to life, a damn near perfect portrayal of the character. That's exactly how I picture joker being if he actually existed in real life. Joker literally made that movie what it was, not batman.

Joker has always been a top tier villain in comics and it's never been because he posed a serious threat to batman, it's his ability to get inside his head and make him second guess his morals. Batman could realistically kill joker at any point but that's exactly what joker wants. If batman killed joker then ultimately joker wins.

But that's not what I said.

I said Power/Threat level is PART of what makes a good villain, not the only thing. And if you or anyone disagrees with that, are you really captured or enthralled by villains that don't threaten the hero in any way? I can't name a single great villain that didn't achieve this.

I'm not saying you can't personally have Joker as your top villain, there is nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is that objectively Joker is not even in the same weight class as someone like Thanos. On Threat Level and Achievement, Thanos FAR surpasses Joker. Hell, even Bane does. Joker's biggest thing is appeal, which is a preference thing. But I do agree that Joker made the movie, the TDK movie is actually very poor if you take Joker out, he carried that movie.

 

[TNC]

If your going by pure threat level and the fact that he "won" in infinite war, then it's only fair to bring up the fact that he only won because Thor spared him by not going for the kill shot.

But that is not Thanos's fault, that was on Thor. Throughout the movie, the heroes had several chances to defeat Thanos, but partly due to arrogance and bad planning they faltered and Thanos capitalized on it. That's another reason why he was so great, he actually goaded the heroes to make mistakes and took advantage.

 

[MartyMcFly]

As far as as character goes? It’s still joker from dark knight for me. That performance is still unmatched and the nature of that character is still something that hasn’t been truly met

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

what's the appeal of doom..

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Lol at OP tryna sneak Thanos by Joker in the thread title

 

[BillBanneker]

I don't think its really a fair comparison IMO. Aside from maybe Magneto how many villains have had multiple films to really flesh out their characterization. I'm saying this as someone who thinks he is the goat (for now).

Do we consider a Killmonger a villain or just an antagonist?

More so a antigonist with anit hero vibes, with plot armor.

 

[Spliff]

I'm taking Joker and Zod over him.

 

[5n0man]

I'm not saying you can't personally have Joker as your top villain, there is nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is that objectively Joker is not even in the same weight class as someone like Thanos. On Threat Level and Achievement, Thanos FAR surpasses Joker. Hell, even Bane does. Joker's biggest thing is appeal, which is a preference thing. But I do agree that Joker made the movie, the TDK movie is actually very poor if you take Joker out, he carried that movie.

When it comes to movie villains, they dont need to threaten the entire universe to be a good villain. The portrayal of the villain is more important IMO.

That's why characters like joker and killmongor were such good villains. Joker is popular because of his character and what he represents, the movie portrayal nailed that character. Killmongor is trash in the comics, but the way he was portrayed in black panther was brilliant and had people agreeing with his cause, that is a damn good villain.

Thanos would be second best comicbook movie villain next to joker imo

 

[5n0man]

But that is not Thanos's fault, that was on Thor. Throughout the movie, the heroes had several chances to defeat Thanos, but partly due to arrogance and bad planning they faltered and Thanos capitalized on it. That's another reason why he was so great, he actually goaded the heroes to make mistakes and took advantage.

The reason I posted that is because you argued that thanos being powerful and threatening makes him great, when in reality it's the heros incompetence that caused him to win. If Thor wanted to kill him in infinity wars, he easily could have. If starlord wouldn't have lost control of his emotions, Thanos would have lost.

To me the 10 year build up to thanos and the reasoning behind why he was doing what he was doing is what makes him a great villain, not his power level.

 

[TNC]

When it comes to movie villains, they dont need to threaten the entire universe to be a good villain. The portrayal of the villain is more important IMO.

That's why characters like joker and killmongor were such good villains. Joker is popular because of his character and what he represents, the movie portrayal nailed that character. Killmongor is trash in the comics, but the way he was portrayed in black panther was brilliant and had people agreeing with his cause, that is a damn good villain.

Thanos would be second best comicbook movie villain next to joker imo

I believe I understand what you are saying, I just don't necessarily agree. Like earlier, I was saying I put Threat Level AND Portrayal/Appeal as basically equal, which is why Thanos is superior to Joker IMO. But if you are putting Portrayal/Appeal as more valuable than threat level, then I get why you put Joker higher.

My thing is, I take people who can talk shyt AND back it up as superior to guys who are all bark and little/no bite. I think Joker is a great villain, top 5 even, I'm just saying when you add Threat level and Accomplishments to the criteria, Joker falls behind a lot of people because he didn't really achieve much.

 

[TNC]

The reason I posted that is because you argued that thanos being powerful and threatening makes him great, when in reality it's the heros incompetence that caused him to win. If Thor wanted to kill him in infinity wars, he easily could have. If starlord wouldn't have lost control of his emotions, Thanos would have lost.

To me the 10 year build up to thanos and the reasoning behind why he was doing what he was doing is what makes him a great villain, not his power level.

What I'm saying is the 10 year build up ALONG WITH his power level and him actually achieving his goal and it taking two movies, several years and time travel for the heroes to actually get their win back, make him great. Once again, this is not a slight to any other villain but when you focus on only one aspect, you are really just saying what's important/appealing to you. But When you encompass everything a villain needs, I think you'd be hard pressed to find another villain who has the total package like Thanos.

 

[Still FloW]

nikkas REALLY come here on this Beyonces here internet and be proudly sucking marveL dikk like it provides life.. i saw comments about Zemo and Loki ??? lmaooooooooooooooooooooo are you nikkas smoking crack ?? zemo ??? loki ?

lmaoooo. wow

Zod from MOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Spliff]

Does movie Thanos even have quotables?

"I hope they remember you" ?

"I'm inevitable" ?

The fact I'm trying hard to remember is telling.