Will Smith and the Death of Hollywood’s Box Office Superstars

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Man me and @MartyMcFly were just saying this, imo Paris took A LOT of the shine off of being famous. Plus with Lindsey going off the rails there was no real face of young hollywood from 2004-2007
i see what you're saying but I disagree. I would also include twitter in your argument, but most real movie stars aren't on social media like that.

Maybe i'm wrong though..

only ones i can think of is a few of the comedians.
 

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Yep. Dat whole group of famous for nothin losers(Paris, Kim K., Nicole, etc) combined wit da explosion of da TMZ/twitter era really destroyed shyt.

I also think havin such instant and somewhat easy access to not only celebrities but da movie makin process itself has fukked da game up too.

Dat "magical mystic" about showbizness is completely gone. Errthing has been cheapened and lowered down so anybody can be somebody now without havin to actual have any talent.

And I know we strictly talkin bout da movies but all dat shyt I've mentioned affects dat too.

Dem days of real "stars" is dunzo. :mjcry:
Of for sure. Nicole Ritchie was famous for being Paris Hilton's best friend and nothing more. It shocked me the way she made a pile of money off that. And of course we had myspace so we say their every movement. But also look at all the acting bust from that time and right before. Gretchen Mol, Katharine Heigl Lindsey was supposed to be the big face of hollywood for the new millenium. For whatever reason sometime after Catch me if you can come out , there was a death of new stars leaving a void that allowed paris to come in and fill.
i see what you're saying but I disagree. I would also include twitter in your argument, but most real movie stars aren't on social media like that.

Maybe i'm wrong though..

only ones i can think of is a few of the comedians.
No you're right. I think only B list and down have social media presences. Those a listers who have social media (JLaw, Emma Stone) use it rarely. George, Denzel, Travolta don't have any. Tom Hanks has twitter but he's an old man.
 

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Of for sure. Nicole Ritchie was famous for being Paris Hilton's best friend and nothing more. It shocked me the way she made a pile of money off that. And of course we had myspace so we say their every movement. But also look at all the acting bust from that time and right before. Gretchen Mol, Katharine Heigl Lindsey was supposed to be the big face of hollywood for the new millenium. For whatever reason sometime after Catch me if you can come out , there was a death of new stars leaving a void that allowed paris to come in and fill.

No you're right. I think only B list and down have social media presences. Those a listers who have social media (JLaw, Emma Stone) use it rarely. George, Denzel, Travolta don't have any. Tom Hanks has twitter but he's an old man.
pretty sure she doesn't have one..i think she made one briefly after the scandal.but she's anti social media
 

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Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shyt? Just give me good movies with actors I personally love and I'm straight. Fassbender isn't a huge name but I'll see anything he's in. Robert Downey Jr. is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood but when he does a movie without the marvel logo on it or Sherlock it doesn't really do well for him. At least as of late. He's srill my man and I still love him and clearly he knows what he's doing with his career.

Chris hemsworth, also in one of the biggest movies of all time and in two hits in his own as Thor. What happened to that Michael Mann movie tho? Or rush? Or even cabin in the woods? I'm not saying these are bad movies at all I'm saying that they weren't as successful as you'd think a movie starring an avenger would be. People do not care. They want to see the characters or interesting stories. Just putting brad Pitt or will smith in your movie isn't enough anymore and studios seem to get that more or less
 

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in the 90's Will didnt have to deal with the bootlegging like he does now......so if a movie looks just average (which I think it does) and nt a "must see on the big screen" I think alot of people are content with waiting to watch at their own home, if its a bootleg or just waiting for On Demand or early digital. The movies numbers will be fine in the end, its just tough to compare now a days in TV and music to late 90's as far as sales etc.
 

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Am I the only person who really doesn't give a shyt? Just give me good movies with actors I personally love and I'm straight. Fassbender isn't a huge name but I'll see anything he's in. Robert Downey Jr. is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood but when he does a movie without the marvel logo on it or Sherlock it doesn't really do well for him. At least as of late. He's srill my man and I still love him and clearly he knows what he's doing with his career.

Chris hemsworth, also in one of the biggest movies of all time and in two hits in his own as Thor. What happened to that Michael Mann movie tho? Or rush? Or even cabin in the woods? I'm not saying these are bad movies at all I'm saying that they weren't as successful as you'd think a movie starring an avenger would be. People do not care. They want to see the characters or interesting stories. Just putting brad Pitt or will smith in your movie isn't enough anymore and studios seem to get that more or less
Yeah that's the thing though, hollywood wants that easy name to sell the the soccer moms. Having just two or three big names is a problem because the audience gets fatigued.
 

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Yeah that's the thing though, hollywood wants that easy name to sell the the soccer moms. Having just two or three big names is a problem because the audience gets fatigued.

Niche movies tho breh. You know what sells soccer moms? 50 shades of grey. I feel like you're looking at this like we're still in the 90s or 80s or even farther back. You know what else sold soccer moms? Sex and the city..and Bridesmaids. And no one in Bridesmaids is what I would call a huge huge huge star. Famous? Yes most definitely, but huge star? Not at all. Again, stories, concepts, characters that you can relate to, movies based on established material, sequels..that's what sells movies now. Who was the biggest star in 50 shades? What was the biggest attraction? The title.

When the hangover came out, I'd argue that the biggest star in the movie just by name alone was Heather Graham. She was barely in the movie and it made household names out of at least two members of the main cast but not everyone flocks to see every flick Bradley Cooper or Zach Galifianakis is in; they've got hits to their name since the hangover and some misses to their name as well and it's all based on if people want to see them in that particular movie. People used to see movies just to really see these stars because of the lack of accessibility to them; that's not a problem anymore. So if I don't want to see The Words with Zoe Saldana but still want to see Zoe Saldana, guess what? I can google her, I can watch clips of her on youtube, or I can just wait till she does another star trek or guardians movie or something else that I'm more interested in than The Words.

Oh and if we're talking about soccer moms, who was the biggest demo that wen to see Focus over the weekend? Older women. They came out breh, but the problem is, there earning power wasn't high enough to do what the studio wanted the movie to do or to stop articles about this being written. Those same crowds came out for sex and the city but in much higher numbers
 

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Of for sure. Nicole Ritchie was famous for being Paris Hilton's best friend and nothing more. It shocked me the way she made a pile of money off that. And of course we had myspace so we say their every movement. But also look at all the acting bust from that time and right before. Gretchen Mol, Katharine Heigl Lindsey was supposed to be the big face of hollywood for the new millenium. For whatever reason sometime after Catch me if you can come out , there was a death of new stars leaving a void that allowed paris to come in and fill.

No you're right. I think only B list and down have social media presences. Those a listers who have social media (JLaw, Emma Stone) use it rarely. George, Denzel, Travolta don't have any. Tom Hanks has twitter but he's an old man.
what does any of this line of discussion have to do with box office draws?

use of social media dilluding boxoffice draw? nicole ritchie discussion in a thread about will smith's box office power?

:what:

wanna know box office power? the only difference between your generic action movie in redbox or netflix that you dont' even add to your cue, and "John Wick" or "The Equalizier" is Denzel and Keanu reeves. thats it. the idea that 'hollywood's stars' are dying is silly as hell.
 

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I think it's good that the days of the A-lister are slowing down. Movies still make tons of movies and so can the actors as long as they pick the right roles. The '90s were especially awful at doing the "(insert actor here) type of movie" ad nauseam. It still happens, but to a lesser degree. I'm not saying Hollywood doesn't have its problems still. They rely way too much on sequels and reboots and remakes but it seems like the movie itself is marketed as a bigger deal than who is in it now and I think that's a good thing.
 

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are you really saying TDKR is better!? :mindblown:

Yeah I didn't think about that. I'd say it's above dark knight rises but still...1 and 2, respectively

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