Will black people every have equality in America ?

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Equality of opportunity, to the best ability that man could ever hope to achieve, sure. Equality of outcome with all groups, no.

Why, in your opinion, doesn't equality of opportunity lead to equality of outcome for us?
 

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Why, in your opinion, doesn't equality of opportunity lead to equality of outcome for us?
I think the better question to ask is - why would it? When you talk about groups with drastically different cultures, history, and etc, why would you ever expect to see evenness in outcome.

For example, I don't think anybody is gonna claim that Whites are discriminated against, on the coli at-least, yet, academically, Asian Americans outperform them by a gap that is wider than the White-and-Black gap. And it's all due to the fact that they have drastically different cultural values placed on Academic Achievement. The same logic can also explain Blacks as Basket Ball players. In general, Black Americans inherit cultural values that places more importance on Basket Ball than other groups, therefore a disparity occurs in racial representation of the sport.
 

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I think the better question to ask is - why would it? When you talk about groups with drastically different cultures, history, and etc, why would you ever expect to see evenness in outcome.

For example, I don't think anybody is gonna claim that Whites are discriminated against, on the coli at-least, yet, academically, Asian Americans outperform them by a gap that is wider than the White-and-Black gap. And it's all due to the fact that they have drastically different cultural values placed on Academic Achievement. The same logic can also explain Blacks as Basket Ball players. In general, Black Americans inherit cultural values that places more importance on Basket Ball than other groups, therefore a disparity occurs in racial representation of the sport.

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Glad I asked Ja Rule. Or at least one of his stans. :heh:

Very interesting perspective, and not one I ever heard on the coli.

So, how will you know when we've achieved equality of opportunity, since you won't be looking at outcomes? Also, are equality of out comes in income and education even worth pursuing in your opinion?
 

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Man I could write you a book on why the answer is in the Bible. Told from the beginning. While those without eyes wouldn't see it. Its the best solution. The problem arises when people get a distorted interpretation of it. Which is what white people gave us.
 

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We know the answer is No. So what are the opportunities/compromises that exist ?

We've marched, gone to court, died for it, built a country off our free labour. Yet we still aint got equal rights in this bytch.

Is the point not to give up the "good" never ending fight ? I mean damn.. what options exist

how can you expect equality, when this nation was founded on the principles of rape, murder, and many countless atrocities?
I say we revisit the plan of Garvey, and get the fukk out of babylon:sas2:
 

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Man I could write you a book on why the answer is in the Bible. Told from the beginning. While those without eyes wouldn't see it. Its the best solution. The problem arises when people get a distorted interpretation of it. Which is what white people gave us.
No please. Keep religion out of this completely. That book aint done nothing for us.
 

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how can you expect equality, when this nation was founded on the principles of rape, murder, and many countless atrocities?
I say we revisit the plan of Garvey, and get the fukk out of babylon:sas2:
Yoooo who is that in your avatar ? I read that book
 

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Nope.

Trying to build a black utopia in a white country is a fool's errand to begin with. If people were really about that life, they would've followed Garvey's beliefs and repatriated back to Africa or other majority black countries. Two things will happen in America.

1. Blacks and whites will mix until we become one ethnic group.
2. There will continue to be racial tension between the two groups until a boiling point is reached, which won't be pretty for anyone.
 

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Nope.

Trying to build a black utopia in a white country is a fool's errand to begin with. If people were really about that life, they would've followed Garvey's beliefs and repatriated back to Africa or other majority black countries. Two things will happen in America.

1. Blacks and whites will mix until we become one ethnic group.
2. There will continue to be racial tension between the two groups until a boiling point is reached, which won't be pretty for anyone.
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No please. Keep religion out of this completely. That book aint done nothing for us.

Then you don't have eyes to see brother. It hasn't don't anything, because people don't properly follow the correct interpretation of it. You must have not read it. I can give you three laws out of it right now, that will Greatly, change our people. Last but not least, the book has nothing to do with religion.
 

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Then you don't have eyes to see brother. It hasn't don't anything, because people don't properly follow the correct interpretation of it. You must have not read it. I can give you three laws out of it right now, that will Greatly, change our people. Last but not least, the book has nothing to do with religion.
The bible has nothing to do with religion? Ok gimme the 3 laws. I read it cover to cover when I was young but threw it in the bushes after my 20's which is roughly 10 years ago. This should be interesting.
 

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The bible has nothing to do with religion? Ok gimme the 3 laws. I read it cover to cover when I was young but threw it in the bushes after my 20's which is roughly 10 years ago. This should be interesting.

1. Proverbs 3:31 "Envy not thou oppressor, and chose none of his ways"

The problem is too many black people, want to be like their oppressor. Can I celebrate Christmas massa?
Oooo can I celebrate Thanksgiving?? Hey Massa, can celebrate Easter, New Years, Fourth of July? Even though I was a slave, I want to celebrate it and waste my money. I want to be like you, In Amerikkka.

2.Deuteronomy 18:20 "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."

Get these prosperity church robbing(Creflo,..T.D.Jakes,..ect) clowns outta here. We the people need to put them to death, and get the correct interpretation. Like Pac said, you got to hold these clowns accountable for what they say. They make a mockery out of God, and rob our people blind.

3. 1 John 4:20-21 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also."

If we don't even treat each other right, how can we love God? We gotta we construct the mind to not be fearful of our brothers and sisters, and that we are not each others enemy. If brothers don't want to get down with the program, put them to death. Simple as that. No justifying of wrong doings soldier, straight ahead. People think twice, when the know death is coming.
 

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When Blacks in the West realize that their strength and power lies in Africa then it will come over night.....
Blacks in the West have the Wealth, Organizational and Operational experience, Education, and Skills...
Continental Africans have the Raw Materials and the Manpower
Together we know all the tricks in the book and then some....



"Apart from the above-mentioned factors adverse to U.S. strategic interests, the nationalist liberation movement in black Africa can act as a catalyst with far reaching effects on the American black community by stimulating its organizational consolidation and by inducing radical actions. Such a result would be likely as Zaire went the way of Angola and Mozambique.

An occurrence of the events of 1967-68 would do grievous harm to U.S. prestige, especially in view of the concern of the present Administration with human rights issues. Moreover, the Administration would have to take specific steps to stabilize the situation. Such steps might be misunderstood both inside and outside the United States.

In order to prevent such a trend and protect U.S. national security interests, it would appear essential to elaborate and carry out effective countermeasures.

1. Possibility of Joint Action By U.S. Black and African Nationalist Movement"

NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL MEMORANDUM-46



Hence the reason they took out Gaddafi.
 
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