Why Texas isn't turning blue anytime soon

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Ok that was not cool. That dog might have died being left alone long term.

So you were ok with Ted leaving because their was nothing he could do, then you found out he left his dog at home and now you got a problem with Ted leaving cause the dog could have died :mjlol:

Cacs and their dogs. This is one of the most cac responses I have ever seen on this site :mjlol:

I swear if a group of people just got 1 million puppies and tossed them into the grand canyon a significant number of white people in america would willingly jump in to save them :mjlol:
 
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They love cheap housing, guns, and no income Tax

But they freeze to death in the era of Climate Change. Shortcuts don't make institutions prosper.

It’s more than that. It’s the last big flagship of conservative policies (even though they aren’t) in America. Without Texas, The Republican Party is flyover country and the southern states. If the Oil and Gas powers are toppled here, it’s all over because without this controlled market, dependency drops. Texas is paramount to ability to keep alive antiquated ideas that keep a few rich and everyone else reliant on them.

It’s all about money and nothing else. If anything, these so-called conservative policies are nothing more than either the government telling you what do while doing as it pleases (“Conservative” war on contraceptives, abortions, and sex education while supporting state executions and deeply flawed policing and justice system) or the government controlling the means of production (by enacting laws and favorable conditions) for the sake of a few rather the full lot of constituents they serve.

I’m starting to hear more and more traction about the following 2 things as talking points.

1) That mayor was right, because even if you pay for a service to be provided you shouldn’t rely on anyone but yourself. The money without the responsibility. You shouldn’t rely on a restaurant to bring your food to your table. In fact, don’t even go. Grow and make your own food. Forge your own tools and kitchen. Do everything yourself, but by all means keep the restaurant in business.

Now, think if people pooled their money together and started going solar? Relying on themselves to provide energy to their homes in large numbers. Judges in Texas would be juggling gavels to put a stop to it. Corporations would pitch the biggest fit and apply pressure on politicians to make it unaffordable or regulated to the point people couldn’t do it. And yet a lot of people would cheer it on because it’s about their pocketbooks. It’s lunacy in its’ finest hour.

2) Ted Cruz should be able to go on vacation in peace because there wasn’t anything he could do.

Obama couldn’t golf in peace. Nancy can’t get a haircut in an empty shop in peace. Gavin Newsome couldn’t have a dinner party with friends in peace and the people down the street having 30 people for thanksgiving during a pandemic shouldn’t be able to either. People walking in private businesses that require masks without them deserve that same smoke too.

We should have certain expectations of ourselves and our politicians. If you want to do something, you have to be prepared for the repercussions.

That mayor couldn’t have done much to fix the situation (Same with Ted Cruz) on their own , but by applying pressure to responsible parties, asking questions and demanding answers, and doing everything they can for their constituents is what good politicians. I’m accountable to me until it affects someone else. Politicians are accountable to everyone at all times. It shouldn’t be partisan.

And really this is what it comes down to. Not ideological differences, but instead what does PUBLIC SERVICE really mean. You know, a lot of people outside New Orleans hated Ray Nagin post-Katrina. He held people accountable. He asked questions and demanded answers of both Democrats and Republicans. You know who didn’t hate him? His constituents. He did everything he had the power to do. He stayed and suffered with his people. He was on the frontlines. Ted Cruz and the ex-mayor Colorado City, Texas aren’t public servants, and it’s in many different ways that conclusion manifests itself.

The problem is the voting populace who lack critical thinking skills, refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and support a system that clearly doesn’t work in a way they purport it does. It’s clear, the government’s only use is to force people to do what they want for only their benefit and the system failed just like they wanted it to. So less government to make even shyttier mistakes.

Notice: Anyone know what MTG’s or Bobbert’s actually policy positions are?
 

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It’s more than that. It’s the last big flagship of conservative policies (even though they aren’t) in America. Without Texas, The Republican Party is flyover country and the southern states. If the Oil and Gas powers are toppled here, it’s all over because without this controlled market, dependency drops. Texas is paramount to ability to keep alive antiquated ideas that keep a few rich and everyone else reliant on them.

It’s all about money and nothing else. If anything, these so-called conservative policies are nothing more than either the government telling you what do while doing as it pleases (“Conservative” war on contraceptives, abortions, and sex education while supporting state executions and deeply flawed policing and justice system) or the government controlling the means of production (by enacting laws and favorable conditions) for the sake of a few rather the full lot of constituents they serve.

I’m starting to hear more and more traction about the following 2 things as talking points.

1) That mayor was right, because even if you pay for a service to be provided you shouldn’t rely on anyone but yourself. The money without the responsibility. You shouldn’t rely on a restaurant to bring your food to your table. In fact, don’t even go. Grow and make your own food. Forge your own tools and kitchen. Do everything yourself, but by all means keep the restaurant in business.

Now, think if people pooled their money together and started going solar? Relying on themselves to provide energy to their homes in large numbers. Judges in Texas would be juggling gavels to put a stop to it. Corporations would pitch the biggest fit and apply pressure on politicians to make it unaffordable or regulated to the point people couldn’t do it. And yet a lot of people would cheer it on because it’s about their pocketbooks. It’s lunacy in its’ finest hour.

2) Ted Cruz should be able to go on vacation in peace because there wasn’t anything he could do.

Obama couldn’t golf in peace. Nancy can’t get a haircut in an empty shop in peace. Gavin Newsome couldn’t have a dinner party with friends in peace and the people down the street having 30 people for thanksgiving during a pandemic shouldn’t be able to either. People walking in private businesses that require masks without them deserve that same smoke too.

We should have certain expectations of ourselves and our politicians. If you want to do something, you have to be prepared for the repercussions.

That mayor couldn’t have done much to fix the situation (Same with Ted Cruz) on their own , but by applying pressure to responsible parties, asking questions and demanding answers, and doing everything they can for their constituents is what good politicians. I’m accountable to me until it affects someone else. Politicians are accountable to everyone at all times. It shouldn’t be partisan.

And really this is what it comes down to. Not ideological differences, but instead what does PUBLIC SERVICE really mean. You know, a lot of people outside New Orleans hated Ray Nagin post-Katrina. He held people accountable. He asked questions and demanded answers of both Democrats and Republicans. You know who didn’t hate him? His constituents. He did everything he had the power to do. He stayed and suffered with his people. He was on the frontlines. Ted Cruz and the ex-mayor Colorado City, Texas aren’t public servants, and it’s in many different ways that conclusion manifests itself.

The problem is the voting populace who lack critical thinking skills, refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and support a system that clearly doesn’t work in a way they purport it does. It’s clear, the government’s only use is to force people to do what they want for only their benefit and the system failed just like they wanted it to. So less government to make even shyttier mistakes.

Notice: Anyone know what MTG’s or Bobbert’s actually policy positions are?

Well stated!

Money without responsibility, is what they want.
 

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One thing i've learned from Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Arizona is that people actually like more conservative local governors vs their federal office. They have democrat senators but republican governors. Its weird.

This is from December 2020:

Two-Thirds of States to Have Governor and US Senators from One Party - Smart Politics

  • Four states have Democratic governors and two Republican U.S. Senators: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, North Carolina
  • Two states have Democratic governors and one U.S. Senator from each major party: Pennsylvania and Wisconsin
  • One state has a Democratic governor with Republican and independent U.S. Senators: Maine
  • Four states have Republican governors and two Democratic U.S. Senators: Arizona, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Hampshire
  • Three states have Republican governors and one U.S. Senator from each major party: Montana, Ohio, West Virginia
  • One state has a Republican governor with Democratic and independent U.S. Senators: Vermont

Texas is way redder than those other states though. This isn't some Charlie Baker situation.
 

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Texas is way redder than those other states though. This isn't some Charlie Baker situation.

True but you would have larger groups of people who would switch their vote over one election cycle than any other state as well.

If Abbot doesn't get this power thing right going forward AND Texas has a rough summer and another round of rolling blackouts, he is done and republicans are done. And do not underestimate this summer because people forgot that all time bad snow storm in 2011 was followed up by an all time bad summer that same year and Texas had to do rolling blackouts again.

When you factor in insurance claims, property damage, the unconscionable hike in electricity, the closing of businesses over this, this is going to be the single most expensive "disaster" in the history of Texas. Already you got dozens of power companies who have gone under because they can't pay the 50 million dollar bill they got for electricity. Already you got dozens of local insurance agencies declaring bankruptcy cause they can't pay out virtually every policy holder they have filing a claim at once. It will be interesting to see what the republican voter who didn't have power for 4 days, therefore didn't have water for 3 days, and then when the water came back on his pipes burst, all because he voted for a system of maintaining infrastructure at a cheap cost, will do when it's time to vote.

Probably still going to vote republican but its nice to dream :mjlol:
 
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True but you would have larger groups of people who would switch their vote over one election cycle than any other state as well.

If Abbot doesn't get this power thing right going forward AND Texas has a rough summer and another round of rolling blackouts, he is done and republicans are done. And do not underestimate this summer because people forgot that all time bad snow storm in 2011 was followed up by an all time bad summer that same year and Texas had to do rolling blackouts again.

When you factor in insurance claims, property damage, the unconscionable hike in electricity, the closing of businesses over this, this is going to be the single most expensive "disaster" in the history of Texas. Already you got dozens of power companies who have gone under because they can't pay the 50 million dollar bill they got for electricity. Already you got dozens of local insurance agencies declaring bankruptcy cause they can't pay out virtually every policy holder they have filing a claim at once. It will be interesting to see what the republican voter who didn't have power for 4 days, therefore didn't have water for 3 days, and then when the water came back on his pipes burst, all because he voted for a system of maintaining infrastructure at a cheap cost, will do when it's time to vote.

Probably still going to vote republican but its nice to dream :mjlol:

It’s just gonna depend on the rural/suburban breakdown. They lost the suburbs already, but with enough voter suppression they could win. It’s about getting Trump level rural voters and down to usual apathy levels in the cities.

The thing is those voters who don’t flip don’t think it’s their fault. “All the board of ERCOT are Democrats and don’t even live in Texas” is what you heard the last couple of days.

So Republicans took over a power grid to avoid out-of-state liberal policies and then let out-of-state liberals run it? And you’re going to continue to vote these dudes in? The amount of mental gymnastics they will go through to justify voting red will continue to happen, at least in traditional red strongholds. Is that gonna be enough?
 

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It’s just gonna depend on the rural/suburban breakdown. They lost the suburbs already, but with enough voter suppression they could win. It’s about getting Trump level rural voters and down to usual apathy levels in the cities.

The thing is those voters who don’t flip don’t think it’s their fault. “All the board of ERCOT are Democrats and don’t even live in Texas” is what you heard the last couple of days.

So Republicans took over a power grid to avoid out-of-state liberal policies and then let out-of-state liberals run it? And you’re going to continue to vote these dudes in? The amount of mental gymnastics they will go through to justify voting red will continue to happen, at least in traditional red strongholds. Is that gonna be enough?

Well they won't just be able to blame it on ERCOT. ERCOT just manages the power. The problem is that it wasn't enough power. ERCOT is not completely to blame for that. Also, who appointed the boards of ERCOT and the PUC ? Republicans.

This will be the first time in Texas history that this many people had no power or water this long, on top of some extensive property damage from the lack of power and water, on top of a lot of businesses going out of business because of the storms. This is also the first time you have seen people talk about the energy trading market, and it's coming to light how some of these companies made obscenes amount of money. So we will see how it plays out, or how much dems at the federal level pump into texas during voting season...
 
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Well they won't just be able to blame it on ERCOT. ERCOT just manages the power. The problem is that it wasn't enough power. ERCOT is not completely to blame for that. Also, who appointed the boards of ERCOT and the PUC ? Republicans.

This will be the first time in Texas history that this many people had no power or water this long, on top of some extensive property damage from the lack of power and water, on top of a lot of businesses going out of business because of the storms. This is also the first time you have seen people talk about the energy trading market, and it's coming to light how some of these companies made obscenes amount of money. So we will see how it plays out, or how much dems at the federal level pump into texas during voting season...

Precisely. But what I’m trying to say is you’re going to have a HEAVY amount of traditional red voters not looking deep enough and even if they are shown evidence (especially by Dems) they will deny it. Rural runs the state. Everyone knows that.

El Paso has to show up for more than Beto, Bexar County most definitely has to show up, and the DFW/Austin suburbs will continue trending blue. Is that enough to overcome the rural lockdown of the state?

It’s more than ERCOT, the PUC, and the state government. The local governments of big cities used to be run by Republicans and at the end stages of white flight they sold the public utilities to private companies at discounts. That’s the big problem. As black people paid taxes, had no say in their local affairs, and helped build the infrastructure that hasn’t been updated since then, they lost control of the water and electric utilities because white people didn’t want them to have control of their own stuff.

With gentrification and the growing suburbs, people are going to demanding their control back leaving the rural customers out in the cold (no pun intended). But it’s gonna hurt pocketbooks in this state, and that’s where the mental gymnastics are coming from. Can you get enough diehard reds in mid-sized towns to give up the oil/gas industry for their own benefit? Right now...... maybe.
 

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Precisely. But what I’m trying to say is you’re going to have a HEAVY amount of traditional red voters not looking deep enough and even if they are shown evidence (especially by Dems) they will deny it. Rural runs the state. Everyone knows that.

El Paso has to show up for more than Beto, Bexar County most definitely has to show up, and the DFW/Austin suburbs will continue trending blue. Is that enough to overcome the rural lockdown of the state?

It’s more than ERCOT, the PUC, and the state government. The local governments of big cities used to be run by Republicans and at the end stages of white flight they sold the public utilities to private companies at discounts. That’s the big problem. As black people paid taxes, had no say in their local affairs, and helped build the infrastructure that hasn’t been updated since then, they lost control of the water and electric utilities because white people didn’t want them to have control of their own stuff.

With gentrification and the growing suburbs, people are going to demanding their control back leaving the rural customers out in the cold (no pun intended). But it’s gonna hurt pocketbooks in this state, and that’s where the mental gymnastics are coming from. Can you get enough diehard reds in mid-sized towns to give up the oil/gas industry for their own benefit? Right now...... maybe.

That would require a state income tax.

You know Texas hates taxes,
 

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It's funny how quickly things change in politics because people are seeing how inept Republican leader has been in times of crisis. Even before that, I would consider Texas to already be a purple state.
i could see blue by 2028

im just glad cruz killed his career with this. he doesnt make it out of a primary, ever
 

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It's funny how quickly things change in politics because people are seeing how inept Republican leader has been in times of crisis. Even before that, I would consider Texas to already be a purple state.
Texas is not a purple state, a purple is Georgia or North Carolina.
 
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