"Why Kevin Durant is the Best Scorer Ever" -- By Any Means Basketball

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Still don't change anything for me. Lebron is getting into his decline. Kd is that guy right now. I always put bron ahead of kd as best in the league until these last 2 years. Play making and rebounding I give to bron but scoring I'll take kd over anybody playing right now. I think kd is a more fluid scorer at any point of the game. From 3 point range he's a better shooter. Mid range he's a better shooter. Free throw he's a better shooter. Only makes sense to me to give the ball to the best shooter if I need a shot.
You just described EXACTLY what the others are doing. Taking the eye test over actual results.

LeBron is 7-17 on game-winners in the final 5 seconds. KD is 1-9. If LeBron is so sus, how is that even possible?

You're talking LeBron being in decline when TWO of his classic buzzer-beaters were in his last postseason appearance. More than KD has had in his entire career.

Go ahead and take KD's "5-20 career on game-winners" ass. You'll win 25% of the time that way. :yeshrug:




are you even serious? we're talking about scoring here, putting the ball in the hole. this is basketball, not figure skating.

i'll never understand you dudes who put so much stock into what you think looks better. you don't get extra points for "aesthetics".

anyways, back to the thread -

i'd say kd is right up near the top of the list for sure. dude is basically 7 foot guard who can basically score from anywhere on the court and from any situation. he's a physical freak who can do it all scoring-wise. i mean, he's skilled as hell, for anyone, let alone for someone his size, then you throw in how quick and agile and coordinated he is for how big he is...then to top it all off, kd has the tangibles - the volume is there, the efficiency is there, the scoring titles are there...the whole story checks out.
Everything you say is right, except....

The postseason resume, the clutch performances, stepping up in the biggest playoff games when his team is on the ropes, being the one to hit the big shot when the game is on the line....where is that?

There's a lot of guys who have been through the NBA who are fantastic scorers in the regular season, or in a playoff series when their team is decidedly better and they're already up 2-0 or 3-1 with no pressure at all. But what players do when they have to defeat a superior team and all attention and defensive focus is on them should be the ultimate measure of how good a scorer they really are.
 

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We know the answer is because skills dont always translate to results, and Kevin Durant is as much an example of this as anybody....

The way these guys are talking KD should have twice as many scoring titles, his career scoring average should be 32+, and he should have an encyclopedia worth of 40 and 50 point playoff games...
LeBron has more playoff buzzer-beaters than anyone in history
LeBron has more postseason points than anyone in history
LeBron has a higher Game 7 scoring average than anyone in history
LeBRon has a higher elimination game scoring average than anyone in history
LeBron has more 40-point playoff games than anyone in history other than MJ
LeBron has more 30-point playoff games than anyone in history
LeBron has more iconic scoring games in must-win situations than everyone else in his era COMBINED

And he's done it all more efficiently than anyone else in the conversation, with less stacked teams most of the time, against better defenses

Outside of MJ he beats most of his rivals in all those categories even if you combine their numbers together

If anyone else had this resume they would being LAUGHED at for not calling that guy the GOAT scorer

But they have a grudge against Bron so they say "aesthetics" should determine the GOAT scorer :dead:



This is why some people still underestimate his talent. Theyll dismiss a Bron layup without understanding what it took to get himself in position to get the shot in the first place. Dude is constantly calculating where every defender will end up before plays even develop.

By the time he even begins his drive hes already deduced who will and won't be in position to rotate & contest his "bum ass layup" before he even gets to the rim to finish. They can't process so they just call it skill-less bully ball. Even with defenders draped on him he still has the unbelievable touch and focus to finish at full speed every time. He's long processed who will be able to collapse on him when he gets there and from what angle, so he knows what type of contact, when to tense up mid-air, or when to stay fluid to make sure he finishes the bucket; the little things ppl dont think about.. He makes it look too easy, thats the problem.
Been saying this repeatedly but you nailed it. They legit don't understand what's happening on the court, so they're left to relying on "aesthetics". The fact that LeBron is so objectively effective is a total mystery to them, it can't even make sense. They have all the understanding of basketball of a fourth-grader or a casual who just watches whatever is on TV.




East vs West. The level of competition KD faced in the playoffs has been way higher.
Did you not read the thread, this has been bushed repeatedly. :mjlol:

LeBron scores just as well against the West as he does against the East. In LeBron's era the East has has BETTER defenses (Detroit, Boston, Chicago, Indiana) than the West has had.

KD faced the Spurs 5 times, Mavs 3 times (twice when they were crap), Grizzlies 3 times, Rockets 3 times, Blazers twice, Lakers twice, Cavs twice, Clippers twice, Heat, Pelicans, Jazz, Nuggets, Warriors once each.

How many of those squads even had good defenses? The Grizzlies, maybe 2-3 of the Spurs squads he faced, 1 of the Mavs and 1 of the Warriors. Only 7-8 series against good defenses.


LeBron went up against the Draymond-Iggy-Klay (and either Bogut or KD) Warriors 4 years in a row, strong Celtic defenses 3-4 times, Spurs 3 times, an elite Pacers defense 3 times, an elite Bulls defense 3 times, Pistons 3 times, and the best Mavs defense once.

That's 20+ squads LeBron faced who had elite defense.


If you do it by average defense faced, by the number of top-3 defenses faced, by the number of #1 defenses faced, it doesn't matter what you use, LeBron has faced MUCH stronger defense in the playoffs than KD did.
 

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Ninjas show their lack of real life basketball knowledge in scorer debates. Hoopers aren’t mainly talking about simply putting the ball in the basket. It’s about skills.
Exactly smh.

Lebron himself would say he isnt a scorer.

This thread is just pathetic i just avoid this section if these are the people who post here. Their knowledge on the game has been exposed
 

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Bron over kobe as a scorer? Jesus christ.

You realize how skilled of a scorer kobe is?
Kobe had 13 forty-point playoff games in his 20-year career.
LeBron is already up to 27 forty-point playoff games in just 16 years.

Kobe averaged 25ppg on 45% shooting and 33% from three in the playoffs.
LeBron averages 29ppg on 49% shooting and 33% from three in the playoffs.

Kobe is 7-28 career on game-winning shots in the playoffs.
LeBron is 10-27 career on game-winning shots in the playoffs.

Kobe averages 21ppg on 41% shooting in Game 7s.
LeBron averages 34ppg on 50% shooting in Game 7s.


We can do that for literally EVERY relevant postseason scoring stat. It's not just that LeBron's better, it's that he's FAR better, in every situation.

How do explain that if Kobe is so much more skilled. Does he just choke in the playoffs?
 

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Expose yourself brehs

Kevin Durant is a better rim protector than most centers

KD can be an elite rim protector when he wants to.
When he wants to is the operative phrase. He was only elite at rim protecting for his first season on the Warriors. He was ranked 157 on defensive RPM last season. It’s just funny you mention that skill as a reason you would take him over Bron when prime Bron was better defensively for a longer period. Agendas though.
 

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Bron ball... he has the ball literally all game.:mjlol:

Let's compare usage :unimpressed:

Kd will drop 35 just coming off screens :unimpressed:

Kd doesn't need everyone standing around spotting up and setting a million picks :unimpressed:

Kd is a fukkin killer, lebron has one step back:unimpressed:
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you don't get the crown for looking the part

kd got 30something spots or so to climb to get the title

i don't know how much more buckets he got in him to reach #1 especially post popped achilles

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This is one of those arguments where you can easily see who understands what actually happens in a game and who just goes off of optics. Some of y'all don't even understand bball IQ and ability to impose your will on the flow of a game, about picking apart the defense, knowing when to drive and when to shoot, knowing how to best take advantage of the situation and knowing when your team absolutely needs a bucket in the clutch and being able to deliver it.
Have you ever played basketball at any level a day in your life?
 

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Have you ever played basketball at any level a day in your life?
Yes, without the slightest doubt at a higher level than you. I don't care if you finally took out the "k" to make it look better, our leagues never would have tolerated someone who called himself "Monkey Boy" for five years.

You just quoted me in six different threads. You talk about me more than you talk about any basketball player. Get help.
 

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Id def take "gimme the ball and get the fukk out my way" lebron over any one playing today
 
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