Why is wolverine so popular?
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WhatsGoodTy
Ya feel me
Ultimatum was fukkin sick. fukk y'all pussies crying.
'Bu-bu-but they killed off ___________"
That shyt was AWFUL. That made me stop fukking with that universe.
and we are exact opposites. i dont give that much of a fukk about character. i just want piff stories. finite books are
these damn marvel jawns going to issue 500, and dc rebooting the same corny characters every 3 yeras
Do you read a lot of Image, Vertigo and Dark Horse titles?
Honestly, this is a big part of the reason why I'm a big X-Men fan, moreso than the rest of the Marvel Universe. X-Men are CONSTANTLY bringing in new characters with new powers and stories, but with the rest of the Marvel Universe its always been harder for a new character to breakthrough.
Stan Lee himself even said the reason he made mutants was because it made their origin stories easy access, rather than having to create new origins all the time or remix current ones (I mean honestly, how many nuclear accidents can you have?), its easier just to say "they are born with their powers". Whenever Marvel has tried to break in a new character, if they don't have the backing of an established group or team, they have to stand on their own and usually end up dipping in sales and failing. I think the best path for new characters is introducing them through team books. Luke Cage's Mighty Avengers should be a good start for that.
Majestyx
Duck Season
i only read invincible. i might catch some one short jawns like luther strode. i threw american comics in the bushes and read manga. great character development, piff stories, nikkas die and stay dead, they typically(at least the ones i fukk with) dont go on forever.
xmen used to also be my favorite, then i got tired of them introducing new characters then tossing the new characters in the bushes for the same played out characters.
logan is the original stone cold steve austin. regardless of how talented he actually is/isn't, he's relatable in a way everyone can understand/aspire to understand. at the end of the day, it's no fukks given. no different from batman really (minus the murder).
the trick is... the best writers kno how to channel his popularity. b/c no matter how much we all love him... he's basically an indestructible midget with indestructible steak knives for extra fingers. in fights that really matter (apocalypse, thanos, magneto), he should be irrelevant. but he fights anyway. and will always get his hits in before going down. THAT'S why we love him.
but now... he's so popular... that like batman, he's capable of shyt outside his power base. logan is a hitter. but he's not a heavy hitter, if that makes sense. he's a daredevil-level character in terms of power-set, with superman-level power in terms of charisma.
logan SHOULD BE the dude that (if he manages), murks thanos because thanos already murked him, killed everyone else, then walked into a set of adamantium knuckles because he forgot logan gets reallllly better realllllly fast. but more often than not, now, he's the dude that fights someone like thanos to a standstill, even tho thanos could kill him (temporary) from a football field away.
old school writers understood this. the only new school dudes who seem to get it are remender and whedon. logan was THE MAN in their books. but at the end of the day? when he overstepped his limits? he got fukked up quick.
lol. in astonishing x-men (og version) dude crept up on cyclops and emma in bed, started talking shyt about jean grey, and got eye-lasered out a window three stories up. THAT'S logan.
so basically... wolverine's a side character with main character screen presence. everyone loves him for the presence in the face of his own limitations. but they forget he's most effective in a supporting role. which is why a lot of people also dont understand his popularity. because he's portrayed as galactus, when he's really just plain old logan.
*drops mic*
*exits stage left*
SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!
the trick is... the best writers kno how to channel his popularity. b/c no matter how much we all love him... he's basically an indestructible midget with indestructible steak knives for extra fingers. in fights that really matter (apocalypse, thanos, magneto), he should be irrelevant. but he fights anyway. and will always get his hits in before going down. THAT'S why we love him.
but now... he's so popular... that like batman, he's capable of shyt outside his power base. logan is a hitter. but he's not a heavy hitter, if that makes sense. he's a daredevil-level character in terms of power-set, with superman-level power in terms of charisma.
logan SHOULD BE the dude that (if he manages), murks thanos because thanos already murked him, killed everyone else, then walked into a set of adamantium knuckles because he forgot logan gets reallllly better realllllly fast. but more often than not, now, he's the dude that fights someone like thanos to a standstill, even tho thanos could kill him (temporary) from a football field away.
old school writers understood this. the only new school dudes who seem to get it are remender and whedon. logan was THE MAN in their books. but at the end of the day? when he overstepped his limits? he got fukked up quick.
lol. in astonishing x-men (og version) dude crept up on cyclops and emma in bed, started talking shyt about jean grey, and got eye-lasered out a window three stories up. THAT'S logan.
so basically... wolverine's a side character with main character screen presence. everyone loves him for the presence in the face of his own limitations. but they forget he's most effective in a supporting role. which is why a lot of people also dont understand his popularity. because he's portrayed as galactus, when he's really just plain old logan.
*drops mic*
*exits stage left*
SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!
If you like Invincible, check out The Walking Dead comic, Kirkman does good work there.
But honestly, you seem the type to like things like 100 Bullets or Y The Last Man, you read those?
Majestyx
Duck Season
walking dead, i read, but its too formulaic. y the last man was aite and 100 bullets was cool. i read american comics for like 15 yrs, i had to toss them in the bushes. now i only check for stuff people i know in the industry are working on, and most of them leaving comics and going into other stuff like movies or games.
I feel what you saying to a point, he started out as a side character with a commanding presence, but he's evolved beyond that to be arguably one of the deepest characters in Marvel. People complain about the stagnation of the Big 2 and their comics but where you really see the major character development is in characters who start out in team books but evolve into their own characters like Wolverine (among others) did.
Yeah you have to be a steady comic reader to see how overplayed wolverine is now ... And people saying his character development ?? Ehh before schism he was pretty much cykes Chris and snoop .
Dc has pushed lots of new or young or previously corny characters Night wing becoming batman , Wally west (flash ), Tim drake (robin ), Damian ( Bruce's son robin ), Connor kent (super boy) , Kyle Rayner ( green lantern) , booster gold , Roy Harper (arsenal , red arrow ) during the last 10-20 years .
Wolverine becoming Cyclops's right hand was character development in itself. Let's not forget how these two used to not be able to stand each other and Wolverine constantly disobeyed his orders and went on his own. They grew and develops a working relationship that transitioned into a real respect and friendship. Schism and AvX forced a lot of things that didn't really make a lot of sense, but that it not on the characters per se, its on the storyline mandate.
You know what your right i was being too harsh due to the way Logan now c00ns it up now . Him and the kids argument was always silly to me since he was still cool with Xavier the sick b*stard who did the same thing repeatedly and covered up so much shyt . Cykes position to me was always perfectly reasonable , look at all the events drastically reducing the mutant population and no one gave a shyt ( until caps crush Wanda is involved then he's a mutant authority )
Well honestly, I don't get how heads say Logan "c00ns" its up, but as far as his switch in motivations, majority of that was handled in his solo books and not in the main X-Books. Marvel has usually done a poor job of explaining character motivations in their huge crossovers, you usually have to go the side books for the real meat on that.
Basically Logan had been going through major issues with kids and death in X-Force, his solo titles and reaching over to some X-books. Him and X-Force spent the entire run debating the morals of killing the Child Apocalypse and chose to let his clone stay alive, he killed a group of superpowered criminals that he later found out to be his own children, he had been dealing with the estranged relationships with his own Daken and X-23, all the while being a mainstream hero with the Avengers while still being Cyclops's goon with the X-Men. He finally reached a breaking point.
Now, I'm not saying it was handled the best, because I've commonly said Wolverine's choices were a "business decision". Marvel made the choice to have their cash cow be a mainstream hero and not a rogue tweener that many of the X-Men have been placed as.
With Cyclops, I think most people can understand why he took the path he did but in Wolverine's eyes, Cyclops was always supposed to be the Yin to his Yang. He good positive image to his lone wolf killer image. But as the years went on, Cyclops got even more grimy than Logan was at some points and he realized he had no counterbalance for himself. As quiet as its kept, Logan is actually a very idealistic hero and person, despite everything he's been through. Seriously. If he wasn't, he wouldn't even be a hero. Everything about him from his origin, to his experiences to how far he's been pushed and used by everyone is classic supervillian origin stuff, yet Logan is a hero despite all of it. Logan, at his core, is a guy who wants to do go, but doesn't really know how to on his own. He's always needed or felt like he needed that guidance and with Cyclops, Scott was the guy that kept the ideal of what an X-Man is about. When Scott started switching it up to darker territory, Logan never would have felt the need to change to his current status quo. Had Logan not switched it up, him and Scott would have wound up being mutant mercenaries.