Why is interacial dating promoted more in the uk than the usa

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[LiveFromLondon]

Why is it promoted?

You have to understand the psyche of white British. They're somewhat comparable to Democrats - racist - mostly in denial while actively supporting white supremacy. They seem to take schedenfreude of the bad PR the US gets from her overt racism. And the overt racism isn't so common in the UK.

In the entire school system, main TV channels and 90% of national media you will NEVER read, learn or hear about the atrocities of the British Empire. The Prime Minister of the UK called Britain Zimbabwe's oldest friend - the same Britons that forceably settled in their land and ruled it over the indigenous people.

Anyway there's lots of talk of "colourblind" the usual. That's the rhetoric. Some believe it earnestly some know the okie-doke. It's promoted to show that there's progress and racism is a thing of the past. While actual black and mixed folks are in the ends, living in fukked up situations and being systematically oppressed by schools, prison and the work environment.

At the same time for white people you have the usual fantasies of the black man and woman with less open backlash to being with black folk. Also - it's kind of like the Asian woman/white male thing. Most white people can get a better looking black partner than they could a white partner (just look at who our sportsmen and women marry, actors and actresses too).


Then on the other hand most black people in the UK are there by choice (or their grandparents choice). They come from a Africa or the Carribbean - usually poor countries and they have access to more material goods in the UK. They grow up overtly and secretly admiring whiteness. A lot of black people are c00ns brehs and they follow European standards of beauty and respect (eg white people at the top).

I have a very lightskin girlfriend (this is the coli so it must be said, she has 2 black parents and is African). We've been to several black countries together (Brazil, Jamaica, Ghana, Cote D'Ivore, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, S. Africa). nikkas have treated me better because they think she's white or something. Like literally saluting me in backwoods Jamaica, Ghana & Cote D'Ivore.

There's not this togetherness in the black UK community. It's sad and it's something i'm jealous of the USA for having.

Black people in the UK are mostly LOST.

I'm seeing in younger generations, more pride of their heritage. In this next bracket there's more of them, more in their schools so maybe the community will be stronger.


tldr:
Why is it pushed? Creates false narrative that there's no racism.
White people - can live out their black fantasies with less backlash.
Black people - cos you know they c00ns

Gospel fam, gospel and you right because I to straight envy the togetherness and pride US blacks, even asian here to. Mandem are straight when it comes to black consciousness and have no pride out here they just happy impregating white tings and ordering fried chicked from bossman and lamenting about Arsenal choking. I will go far as saying, I feel like the U.K aint the best place to raise a 2 parent black family for the grime generation, our sons will just end up pawging and losing their heritage.

 

[Peruano99]

I don't even know why this is such a big deal. We are all part of the human race and we can date/fukk whoever we want.

 

[DaRealness]

Some people probably need a new social circle because the shyt they claim to see and experience is different to my reality and those who I know.

 

[Bonk]

Let's NOT drag it up but as you said 'you lot' I am reluctantly forced to point out why you are finding this difficult.

Why.. Argumentation.

i. "As well"? As well as what? It was one country with freedom of movement, one language, one culture AND freedom of movement. "As well" does not apply here. Likewise assumptions that "people" did not move around within the "United States" during the last 300-odd years are unwarranted. Also you are using your view of the broader UK landscape as a motivating and formative factor re. your opinion of the UK but yet here you seem to be arguing that this would not be the case for people in America (i.e. be aware of the cultural touchstones, attitudes, law, events etc and/or be influenced by them) if they were not in the South. It seems somewhat inconsistent.
And 37% of Americans live in the 'South' now. During the civil war it was about 33%.

ii. 'Sundown towns' was but one example (out of a number) and was part of a broader larger point about the extent. Even in the total absence of Sundown Towns it wouldn't invalidate my broader point.Not to mention that Sundown Towns were not only in the south. Look at the wiki link. Look at the general sections on this link - Sundown Towns in the United States . Try this for a start Central Illinois Works to Change Associations With Racist Sundown Towns .

iii. An anecdote is NOT data. David's experience might be interesting but should not be mischaracterized as data.

iv. "The 60s in the UK were just as bad as it was in the US" because .... reasons... "People would tell me"..

v. However, does that mean those on the West Coast, North, and Mid-west in the US didn't go through whatever they went through in terms of hateful racism? Even in the same area (dammit same household) people do not go through exactly the same things. Of course there will be some variance. I gave you a list and there are plenty more significant differences. We are not talking about the effect on blacks we are talking about the effect on the hosts. Therefore proximity was another major difference wasn't it. Lynching was another one. Anti-miscegenation laws are another difference. Redlining.

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At the end of the day I suspect that you are unaware of what actually went on in the United States. You said SDT's were in the South even though the posted link says otherwise (with references).

You're just making a mountain out of a molehill and debating semantics, while going off on a tangent. I already highlighted the only excerpt of your post that I care about and I believe it should end there.

The premise of my post is based on how dismissive people tend to be about the experience of black Brits, at that point in history, while pointing to Jim Crow, which was a Southern thing in America. Admittedly, on the surface, Jim Crow era was worse based on the information available. However, you and I weren't there...and you can't really say the experience of the average African American in the 60s was worse than that of a black Brit during the same period. Especially, when you're cognizant of what the lower class white Brits went through, coupled with how racially intolerant the country was back then. Evidently, they had it rough, even if what they went through is as documented as what Aframs went through. And I'm sure they didn't just create all the pro-black movements and BAME guerrilla groups, to fight against injustice/oppression out of thin air. The Notting hill and, Nottingham race riots, which preceded it, also didn't happen out of thin air.

Regardless, this isn't the thread for racism Olympics between the two countries. We can create a separate thread for that this weekend when I'm free and debate it, with facts and academic references. But I'll cite what I saw on the internet with a quick Google search:

Lynching in Britain is not new. In a government file at the Public Record Office labelled `Lynching of coloured men in Britain', there is a letter by F.E.M. Hercules, Secretary of the Society of Peoples of African Origin. Addressed to the Secretary of State for the Colonies on June 12th, 1919, it states:

(We) wish to draw your attention to the lynching of men of colour ... Will
HMG take adequate measures for the protection of British subjects? ... In
the society's view it is desirable that an inquiry be held into the
circumstances attending the death of Charles Wootten.

Charles Wootten, a West Indian ship's fireman, was caught up in anti-black rioting which swept many British ports in the first six months of 1919. Recently discharged from war service, Wootten was chased into the Mersey by a Liverpool crowd of over 200 people. The mob stoned the young man until he sank. Nobody was arrested for this murder, despite a police presence on the river bank.

"Lynching in Britain" by Sherwood, Marika - History Today, Vol. 49, Issue 3, March 1999 | Online Research Library: Questia

^That's also similar to the case of David Oluwale who was killed by a white mob and the police in 1969, in Leeds: Remembering Oluwale: 'an indelible, black mark on Leeds police' - The Justice Gap There are loads of similar cases that happened during the same period.

 

[Bonk]

I'm a wine enthusiast, and occasionally like my beer/ ale (That's where the reference came from)

I'm in my 20's, male.

I went to CTK (Christ the King Sixth Form College) to study for my A-Levels, that is when everyone used BBM. I went to University of Surrey to study for my Bachelors.

If you know the area Charlton, you know a dope boy called Stainer.

If you know the area Ferrier Estate, do you know 2face and Chanter (street hustlers)

Woolwich --- There is a pub/ nightclub, across the road from weather-spoons, 4am closing, I've beat so many hoes there (Average neighbourhood hoes).

Lewisham - I get my haircut there every week (£10 full haircut, £5 shape up), Frank laces me up.

I go to Deptford for manicures/ pedicures, facials and deep tissue massages.

I remember graffiti culture was huge in my younger days. If you was into graffing, you will know about buying cans from Brixton and Camden.

Woolwich used to beef with Cherry(SE7), it was over drugs, the runners made the beef worse. Now Woolwich is just made up of small clicks that beef with each other, shell of its former self

If you know the area of lee green (SE12), you will know a boy called Simz, he showed me my first stick at 13....real ghetto boy that will push your wig back

Early 2000's, the street n*ggas used to jack mobile phones, then they switched their hustle to dope.

What you know about Medley meal (Morley's) ?

What about Carford Pits ?

Eltham used to be a racist area. I will never forget Stephen Lawrence.

I don't see the connection between between wine and beer, unless you're a neek, white yob or an Aff. Are you sure you went to CTK? What year did you finish your A-levels?

Also, that wasn't really a Cherry Boys and Woolwich Boys beef, it was between them mans and mostly T-block boys from Thamesmead and Plumstead. I remember the beef because I got caught up in one of the fights that happened at the pub cum strip club before the roundabout that links Charlton and Woolwich when it was hot. And one of my cousin's boys, Vi.ctor, was also almost lynched at Woolwich Arsenal by some of the Somali yutes in Cherry boys.

Anyway, since you're naija, you should know T-block boys. I know Vic.tor and Bi.ola used to run the gang and BJ was their don. Tell me what the three of them look like.

And stop chatting shyt - no ghetto boy would push my wig back. They know what time it's from way back when Sp.arks was running things and, Fek.ky and Y. Kra.ver used to stick mandem up outside the McDs in Lewisham.

 

[channelblond]

I don't see the connection between between wine and beer, unless you're a neek, white yob or an Aff. Are you sure you went to CTK? What year did you finish your A-levels?

Also, that wasn't really a Cherry Boys and Woolwich Boys beef, it was between them mans and mostly T-block boys from Thamesmead and Plumstead. I remember the beef because I got caught up in one of the fights that happened at the pub cum strip club before the roundabout that links Charlton and Woolwich when it was hot. And one of my cousin's boys, Vi.ctor, was also almost lynched at Woolwich Arsenal by some of the Somali yutes in Cherry boys.

Anyway, since you're naija, you should know T-block boys. I know Vic.tor and Bi.ola used to run the gang and BJ was their don. Tell me what the three of them look like.

I got into drinking different types of ale when I was in University.

I smoke cigars (Cohiba Behike) with Merlot wine, when I catch up with my friends.

Yeah, I was a student at CTK. I can't fully remember his name, but there was a business teacher called Agyeman.

It was over drugs. It was beef between the olders that the runners made worse, you weirdo.

Stay in your lane.

I've clarified I'm from London

 

[RTF]

But some would argue that Jim Crow laws and Sundown town were a Southern thing in the US as well. However, does that mean those on the West Coast, North, and Mid-west in the US didn't go through whatever they went through in terms of hateful racism? The 60s in the UK were just as bad as it was in the US, those who lived through it, would tell you that. Even David Olusoga who's mixed with a white mum and lived through the 70s UK, shared the horrific things he went through as a kid.

Regardless, the emboldened excerpt of your post is the only thing I care about. Since you agree with me, there's no point dragging the issue.



You lot need to start talking about your bits in London and stop making blanket statements about everywhere else. I can't relate to this.Where in London are you from?

I'm from South London (the real South) and I seldom see mandem with white tings. My circle of friends alone is bigger than 20 and no one is dating a white ting. Mandem beat white tings from time to time but no one is wifeying or procreating with them tings there. You mans just give this overblown shyt too much air and you gas the ting up. London is small but it's also very big as well and mandem do different things in different endz. Just allow it and relate your experience and your bits, without speaking for everyone else.

I’m from Croydon. Heart of it. All the people making noise from Croydon- Michael Dapaah, K&K, Stormzy whoever. I say that so you know I’m from ends with a lot of black people.

And again - I’m 29 I’ve spent 8 years in the corporate environment. I’ve met a number of blacks in that space and I know who they marry and breed.

If you have 20 black male friends in the UK and all 20 have black s/o’s - that is not representative of black UK males. At all.

The stats speak for themselves. Something like 40% of all black men marry non-black women.

Of all the (black) people I know married, long term girlfriends or have kids. A significant proportion (more than 40% I reckon maybe higher) are in IR relationships.

 

[RTF]

Is IR dating promoted amongst all racial groups equally or is the focus mainly on Blacks and Whites?

I know theres a lot of Black/White mixed couples and that's all over the media, but, with the UK's massive Indian population are they 'promoting' Indian and White English IR dating equally as much??

Asians stay closer together % wise. Overall numbers I’m sure are high. Most of the Asian people I know marry other Asians.


Although I know a number of people with mixed Asian heritage - usually Indian and something else. Mad family issues with those people though.

 

[channelblond]

If you have 20 black male friends in the UK and all 20 have black s/o’s - that is not representative of black UK males. At all.

Facts

 

[RTF]

In my experience in ends. Most black people are in ends, working class and there’s a lot of inter racial dating. And institutional racism in every level of British society.

This London where I’m judged on class and th vast majority of blacks marry other blacks (especially the men) - I just can’t relate. I’ve not seen it. There’s no black middle class. Nothing close. You make any moolah and move out of ends you living around non blacks.

 

[null]

You're just making a mountain out of a molehill and debating semantics, while going off on a tangent. I already highlighted the only excerpt of your post that I care about and I believe it should end there.

ok.
you skipped over much of what I said so it's best to leave it at that.

 

[Bonk]

I got into drinking different types of ale when I was in University.

I smoke cigars (Cohiba Behike) with Merlot wine, when I catch up with my friends.

Yeah, I was a student at CTK. I can't fully remember his name, but there was a business teacher called Agyeman.

It was over drugs. It was beef between the olders that the runners made worse, you weirdo.

Stay in your lane.

I've clarified I'm from London

You sound moist, wasteman. I asked you simple questions someone from your bits would know and you’re yet to answer one of them, including your age (at least your age range should suffice).

You’re not from London until proven otherwise. You’re just an Aff c00n that most likely just moved to the UK. Just speak on your experience and stop speaking on an experience you can’t relate to.

 

[channelblond]

You sound moist, wasteman. I asked you simple questions someone from your bits would know and you’re yet to answer one of them, including your age (at least your age range should suffice).

You’re not from London until proven otherwise. You’re just an Aff c00n that most likely just moved to the UK. Just speak on your experience and stop speaking on an experience you can’t relate to.

I bet in reality you are c00n. From now on, I will address you as c00n bonk or my little n*gga

 

[deeznutzz]

uk is full of the biggest c00ns the black men there hate any woman who is black

when i went over there i saw some handsome nikkas walking with the most busted ugly fat white bytches with missing teeth , these were in black areas of the uk too so don’t give me that “only white women available” bullshyt