Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

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Not mad or storming out of the thread, friend. I just don't have hours to waste educating morons on the internet. All you've done is post that same Jordan smiley a hundred times.... that's not an argument. You can bring a theist to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

Is that why you negged me? :mjpls:

I aint even tripping doe. Its the net right? Im tryna get rep in real life not the net. But here we had you making a statement, me asking for you to link to where you got the information for said statement, then you getting mad at me for asking and then calling me names. The funny thing is you linked to an upcoming study, but when I asked for the ones you said had already been done, thats when you didnt want to help :mjlol:

Take care, brother. :salute:
 

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I simply asked what led him to this conclusion that this was the most peaceful time in history. It doesnt matter if I feel he was wrong or not till he (or you) answers.

I simply said the world is getting worse off. In the 60s you could step out, get a job, and provide for your family comfortably. That is getting harder and harder to do. And thats without mentioning the imperialism that seems to be going on in this world.

He probably read an article linked to a study. I dunno. There are a few of them around.
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/15/wer...man_history_— with_one_big_exception_partner/
 

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Is that why you negged me? :mjpls:

I aint even tripping doe. Its the net right? Im tryna get rep in real life not the net. But here we had you making a statement, me asking for you to link to where you got the information for said statement, then you getting mad at me for asking and then calling me names. The funny thing is you linked to an upcoming study, but when I asked for the ones you said had already been done, thats when you didnt want to help :mjlol:

Take care, brother. :salute:

I always neg laziness or willful ignorance, nothing personal.

You asked me to provide you a link to the studies showing the methodology I described. I posted the OBE wiki page w/ examples of said studies, and and article from what I thought would be a mostly non-biased source also describing the steps researchers are taking to test these claims. And all you can do, in typical Coli fashion, is post a million smileys a post. You first claim that science completely ignore the supernatural, and even though I proved that to be bullshyt you still refuse to admit you were wrong. Continue to wallow in your ignorance if you want, but it will result in a neg rep from me :yeshrug:
 

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So in other words, friend, you and he took the words of someone else as bond?

I guess the better question would be, what leads you to believe that what Mr. Steven Pinker said is correct and true?

Like I said, I'm open to change. But my search leads me to this. Take me somewhere different brother and I'll be happy to consider it. I'm not taking any word as bond yet. I don't know if we can have a definitive answer on the subject. Still, a study and a conclusion is something to go on.
 

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I always neg laziness or willful ignorance, nothing personal.

You asked me to provide you a link to the studies showing the methodology I described. I posted the OBE wiki page w/ examples of said studies, and and article from what I thought would be a mostly non-biased source also describing the steps researchers are taking to test these claims. And all you can do, in typical Coli fashion, is post a million smileys a post. You first claim that science completely ignore the supernatural, and even though I proved that to be bullshyt you still refuse to admit you were wrong. Continue to wallow in your ignorance if you want, but it will result in a neg rep from me :yeshrug:

1. You linked to an inherently flawed study (the one on prayer) then you went to the wiki, which didnt provide the tests you said that these studies did. Here is the wiki you provided:
The first extensive scientific study of OBEs was made by Celia Green (1968).[102] She collected written, first-hand accounts from a total of 400 subjects, recruited by means of appeals in the mainstream media, and followed up by questionnaires. Her purpose was to provide a taxonomy of the different types of OBE, viewed simply as an anomalous perceptual experience or hallucination, while leaving open the question of whether some of the cases might incorporate information derived by extrasensory perception.

Previous collections of cases had been made by Dr. Ernesto Bozzano (Italy) and Dr. Robert Crookall (UK). Crookall approached the subject from a spiritualistic position, and collected his cases predominantly from spiritualist newspapers such as the Psychic News, which appears to have biased his results in various ways. For example, the majority of his subjects reported seeing a cord connecting the physical body and its observing counterpart; whereas Green found that less than 4% of her subjects noticed anything of this sort, and some 80% reported feeling they were a "disembodied consciousness", with no external body at all.

In 1981, Brazilian Physician and medium Dr. Waldo Vieira proposed a new field in parapsychology called projectiology,[103] in which researchers study the subjective dynamics of the OBE directly through systematic self-experimentation rather than through verbal reports. He also formed an institution called the CCC - Center of Continued Consciousness (later IIPC - International Institute of Conscientiology), to promote discussions about the subject.[104]

In 1999, at the 1st International Forum of Consciousness Research in Barcelona, International Academy of Consciousness research-practitioners Wagner Alegretti and Nanci Trivellato presented preliminary findings[105] of an online survey on the out-of-body experience answered by internet users interested in the subject; therefore, not a sample representative of the general population.

1,007 (85%) of the first 1,185 respondents reported having had an OBE. 37% claimed to have had between two and ten OBEs. 5.5% claimed more than 100 such experiences. 45% of those who reported an OBE said they successfully induced at least one OBE by using a specific technique. 62% of participants claiming to have had an OBE also reported having enjoyed nonphysical flight; 40% reported experiencing the phenomenon of self-bilocation (i.e. seeing one's own physical body whilst outside the body); and 38% claimed having experienced self-permeability (passing through physical objects such as walls). The most commonly reported sensations experienced in connection with the OBE were falling, floating, repercussions e.g. myoclonia (the jerking of limbs, jerking awake), sinking, torpidity (numbness), intracranial sounds, tingling, clairvoyance, oscillation and serenity.

Another reported common sensation related to OBE was temporary or projective catalepsy, a more common feature of sleep paralysis. The sleep paralysis and OBE correlation was later corroborated by the Out-of-Body Experience and Arousal study published in Neurology [106] by Kevin Nelson et al. (2007). Also noteworthy, is the Waterloo Unusual Sleep Experiences Questionnaire [107] that further illustrates the correlation.

William Buhlman, an author on the subject, has conducted an informal but informative online survey [108] as well.

A study in 2007 led by Professor Kevin Nelson from the University of Kentucky discovered that people who have out-of-body experiences are more likely to suffer from sleep paralysis

Now can you highlight where in this wiki that YOU provided that states what you did? I mean I can also link to what you said about the studies of OBE's if you like?

2. I already explained why Im not going to admit something so false. I already explained how Africa is ignored despite Africa getting help from people. You didnt respond I guess in "typical coli fashion"?

3. "Wallow in ignorance" The difference between you and I is that I know Im ignorant in some instances in life. If you're not then you must know all correct, friend? :mjpls:
 

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1. You linked to an inherently flawed study (the one on prayer) then you went to the wiki, which didnt provide the tests you said that these studies did. Here is the wiki you provided:
The first extensive scientific study of OBEs was made by Celia Green (1968).[102] She collected written, first-hand accounts from a total of 400 subjects, recruited by means of appeals in the mainstream media, and followed up by questionnaires. Her purpose was to provide a taxonomy of the different types of OBE, viewed simply as an anomalous perceptual experience or hallucination, while leaving open the question of whether some of the cases might incorporate information derived by extrasensory perception.

Previous collections of cases had been made by Dr. Ernesto Bozzano (Italy) and Dr. Robert Crookall (UK). Crookall approached the subject from a spiritualistic position, and collected his cases predominantly from spiritualist newspapers such as the Psychic News, which appears to have biased his results in various ways. For example, the majority of his subjects reported seeing a cord connecting the physical body and its observing counterpart; whereas Green found that less than 4% of her subjects noticed anything of this sort, and some 80% reported feeling they were a "disembodied consciousness", with no external body at all.

In 1981, Brazilian Physician and medium Dr. Waldo Vieira proposed a new field in parapsychology called projectiology,[103] in which researchers study the subjective dynamics of the OBE directly through systematic self-experimentation rather than through verbal reports. He also formed an institution called the CCC - Center of Continued Consciousness (later IIPC - International Institute of Conscientiology), to promote discussions about the subject.[104]

In 1999, at the 1st International Forum of Consciousness Research in Barcelona, International Academy of Consciousness research-practitioners Wagner Alegretti and Nanci Trivellato presented preliminary findings[105] of an online survey on the out-of-body experience answered by internet users interested in the subject; therefore, not a sample representative of the general population.

1,007 (85%) of the first 1,185 respondents reported having had an OBE. 37% claimed to have had between two and ten OBEs. 5.5% claimed more than 100 such experiences. 45% of those who reported an OBE said they successfully induced at least one OBE by using a specific technique. 62% of participants claiming to have had an OBE also reported having enjoyed nonphysical flight; 40% reported experiencing the phenomenon of self-bilocation (i.e. seeing one's own physical body whilst outside the body); and 38% claimed having experienced self-permeability (passing through physical objects such as walls). The most commonly reported sensations experienced in connection with the OBE were falling, floating, repercussions e.g. myoclonia (the jerking of limbs, jerking awake), sinking, torpidity (numbness), intracranial sounds, tingling, clairvoyance, oscillation and serenity.

Another reported common sensation related to OBE was temporary or projective catalepsy, a more common feature of sleep paralysis. The sleep paralysis and OBE correlation was later corroborated by the Out-of-Body Experience and Arousal study published in Neurology [106] by Kevin Nelson et al. (2007). Also noteworthy, is the Waterloo Unusual Sleep Experiences Questionnaire [107] that further illustrates the correlation.

William Buhlman, an author on the subject, has conducted an informal but informative online survey [108] as well.

A study in 2007 led by Professor Kevin Nelson from the University of Kentucky discovered that people who have out-of-body experiences are more likely to suffer from sleep paralysis

Now can you highlight where in this wiki that YOU provided that states what you did? I mean I can also link to what you said about the studies of OBE's if you like?

2. I already explained why Im not going to admit something so false. I already explained how Africa is ignored despite Africa getting help from people. You didnt respond I guess in "typical coli fashion"?

3. "Wallow in ignorance" The difference between you and I is that I know Im ignorant in some instances in life. If you're not then you must know all correct, friend? :mjpls:

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:
 

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Like I said, I'm open to change. But my search leads me to this. Take me somewhere different brother and I'll be happy to consider it. I'm not taking any word as bond yet. I don't know if we can have a definitive answer on the subject. Still, a study and a conclusion is something to go on.

I can dig it. I just didnt see anything in that link that was definitive. Just a guy saying this about this. Even if the world is less violent, that doesnt mean the world is in a good place. The thing I stated about the 60's and economy proves it. The inequal wealth distribution proves it. The imperialism of certain countries (:mjpls:) proves it as well. That was my point.

Also consider, that I didnt say it was less or more violent. I just wanted to see what led him to that conclusion. If that link is what did it, then it seems to be placing faith in Dr. Pinker.
 

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I can dig it. I just didnt see anything in that link that was definitive. Just a guy saying this about this. Even if the world is less violent, that doesnt mean the world is in a good place.

I don't think he ever said it was.

Also consider, that I didnt say it was less or more violent. I just wanted to see what led him to that conclusion. If that link is what did it, then it seems to be placing faith in Dr. Pinker.

To be fair, you did say this in response to his statement that this is the most peaceful time in history:
2. The world is getting worse.

Anyway, that link was mine. Pure speculation on my part. I don't know where Sensitive Blake Griffin got his info from.
 

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I don't think he ever said it was.

You're right he didnt say that. But I asked why the world was getting worse, and his answer was that the world is the most peaceful it has ever been as if to suggest that the world is in a good place or is not getting worse as I suggested

To be fair, you did say this in response to his statement that this is the most peaceful time in history:
2. The world is getting worse.

Anyway, that link was mine. Pure speculation on my part. I don't know where Sensitive Blake Griffin got his info from.

Yes I did state that. And I posted reasons for me stating that.
 

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1. I might regret asking, but what leads you to believe that this is the MOST peaceful time in human history? I see alot of war, therefore, it is not peaceful.

2. I consider different things as to why its getting worse. The pathetic condition of Africa. The pathetic condition of blacks in America. The wealth inequality here in America. Slavery going on across the world in places such as India and China among other things. The most significant is that the leaders of our would are selling us out to be slaves.

Now you're just trolling. Learn some history before you make outlandish claims and/or ask silly questions. Technological advances have given the poor much more than anytime in history. I'll concede the wealth gap but at the same time people on Section 8 are rocking iPhones and not standing in large food lines like the Great Depression. Blacks in America have more power, money, and respect than anytime in our countries history. Africa's problems are bad, but they aren't lets kidnap entire tribes and sell them to slavery bad. Get some perspective on history before you make retarded claims.

If you want to know what caused the REAL worst times in history, check out the Crusades, the Dark Ages, etc. All of them came about from people that believed in your mystical he-she God.
 

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1. I might regret asking, but what leads you to believe that this is the MOST peaceful time in human history? I see alot of war, therefore, it is not peaceful.

2. I consider different things as to why its getting worse. The pathetic condition of Africa. The pathetic condition of blacks in America. The wealth inequality here in America. Slavery going on across the world in places such as India and China among other things. The most significant is that the leaders of our would are selling us out to be slaves.
There has always been war. Now we have a 24 hour news cycle so you can hear about all the fukked up shyt that is happening elsewhere.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

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Read this. Your chance of dying by violence is considerably lower than at any point in human history. There has always been wealth inequality here in America. Where is legal slavery going on in the world?
 
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Now you're just trolling. Learn some history before you make outlandish claims and/or ask silly questions. Technological advances have given the poor much more than anytime in history. I'll concede the wealth gap but at the same time people on Section 8 are rocking iPhones and not standing in large food lines like the Great Depression. Blacks in America have more power, money, and respect than anytime in our countries history. Africa's problems are bad, but they aren't lets kidnap entire tribes and sell them to slavery bad. Get some perspective on history before you make retarded claims.

If you want to know what caused the REAL worst times in history, check out the Crusades, the Dark Ages, etc. All of them came about from people that believed in your mystical he-she God.

Ok if Im "trolling" and need to "learn some history" please tell, is imperialism happening in the world today?
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You'll concede the wealth gap but then talk about iphones? Do you think that people would actually support a system that just ends up increasing the wealth gap if they knew that? And sure they're not standing in large food lines YET, but that debt aint just gonna keep increasing forever with no payback. So that will be on your children's (or children's children etc...) head whenever it does. Thats IF it isnt on your head.

Blacks have power? :mjlol: The same blacks that get beat in the street like they're pets? That isnt to laugh at the situation, but thats what it is. It doesnt matter about the gains they've made when we're talking about a wealth gap/debt. Both will just keep increasing if we just keep continuing with the status quo.

"Africa's problems are bad, but they arent lets kidnap entire tribes and sell them to slavery bad"





:mjlol: First, please dont use that rhetoric as if that was the main reason slavery happened. Second, it is that bad in some places. There are places where rebels/mercenaries/gov'ts etc.... are running thru villages raping and pillaging. So what are you talking about? Thats without mentioning the outside influence that rapes the continent as well.

The crusades is the darkest time in history? How many people died in that?
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There has always been war. Now we have a 24 hour news cycle so you can hear about all the fukked up shyt that is happening elsewhere.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006259.html

Read this. Your chance of dying by violence is considerably lower than at any point in human history. There has always been wealth inequality here in America. Where is legal slavery going on in the world?

This has to do with what I told noon. You are putting your faith in this guy telling the truth. Where did he get his stats from? What is he accounting as "violence"? Is he accounting for different type of violence like physical AND violence that comes from economic warfare? Of course, the link has no mention of it. Good thing some commenters caught onto it. :camby:

The horrors of the twentieth century could hardly have been predicted in the nineteenth century, which saw the eighteenth century end with the American Revolution bringing about the creation of the first classical liberal government in history. The twentieth century was the bloodiest in all history. More than 170 million people were killed by government with 10 million having been killed in World War I and 50 million killed in World War II. Of the 50 million killed in World War II, nearly 70 percent were innocent civilians. (http://www.mises.org/document/2674)
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Bruh, the bolded is just you speaking. If I asked how you knew that would I get another link of a guy simply stating stuff? The wealth inequality is INCREASING. Thats the problem. Not that there is simply wealth inequality. Theres always going to be a rich and poor. But you dont want the rich getting richer and poorer getting poorer. So when the inequality keeps getting bigger, and governments allow lobbying (which is paying for ideologies to be passed) I think you know what comes next. Well I hope you do.

Slavery? Well for one, you and I are slaves to money. Cant do anything without it right? Two, there are sweatshops all across the world. Among other types of jobs with hard work but low pay. Just because you're not getting beat and physically mistreated, doesnt mean you're not a slave. Especially since you're (and myself) are the taxpayer that will be responsible for that debt they're creating. But even if you disagree (and you probably will) there are other slaves across the world that are in terrible conditions because of structures that hold them back.

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