Why doesn't God reveal himself to those who don't believe? (3 min.VID)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I really don't have time to do your homework for you.

Now this I definitely agree with. Your plate should be full for life.

To the lab, breh!

 

[Everythingg]

I don't know. I guess that depends on how we define the character of god ... or which god we're talking about. I think that if there was a god that wanted people to believe in him, and love and worship him, he would have no problem doing something that could leave no doubt of the power of prayer. I mean, if you can do anything, it would require basically no effort to answer a few prayers ... and you'd probably save millions if not billions of souls (if there's a hell for this particular theology). The scientific minded tends to be skeptical towards theological claims.

But... why do you think it wouldn't? Are those people not worth saving?

Naw. Thats where FAITH comes in. If God really wanted to He could just come to earth and reveal Himself for all to see. Or better yet, He could have just let us be in the heavens roaming place to place. But from what it looks like, He put us here to learn so that we could be ready for the better things that are out there in the universe.

I cant tell you why God does or doesnt do certain things. All I can do is speculate. And I speculate that the study is kinda mocking. I mean they place people that are in dire need of help, and then try to formulate a study to see if that praying would actually help or hinder the person. Dont you think the better thing to do would have been just for them to pray for the people? I would think so but I also understand its a study. Which is why I believe that its flawed either way you slice it.

 

[Fervid]

There's no claim to be biased toward.

 

[Everythingg]

There's no claim to be biased toward.

Well for one, EVERYONE has a bias.

And two, you (most likely being biased in this subject) ignore the fact that atheists act in the same manner that you say "theologists" do.

 

[NoMayo15]

And I read what you linked to. And nothing in it said what you originally stated. If I missed something or you have something to provide for SUPPORT of your original statement point me out to it. Because as I said, this is something I tried once and it didnt work but SOMETHING did happen.

Okay, fine. I should have clarified. What I meant was, no study has been able to demonstrate that a person who has claimed to have an out-of-body experience could demonstrate that they were... in that they were unable to perform certain tasks had they actually left their bodies and were floating or whatever. Does that make more sense?

I dont think we are in some debate where the winner gets $1 milli of funding for their studies. So why cant I have fun with this as others have been doing with me? It aint like Im ridiculing you or calling you names.

Whatever.

 

[NoMayo15]

Naw. Thats where FAITH comes in. If God really wanted to He could just come to earth and reveal Himself for all to see. Or better yet, He could have just let us be in the heavens roaming place to place. But from what it looks like, He put us here to learn so that we could be ready for the better things that are out there in the universe.

I cant tell you why God does or doesnt do certain things. All I can do is speculate. And I speculate that the study is kinda mocking. I mean they place people that are in dire need of help, and then try to formulate a study to see if that praying would actually help or hinder the person. Dont you think the better thing to do would have been just for them to pray for the people? I would think so but I also understand its a study. Which is why I believe that its flawed either way you slice it.

No. Actually, the better thing to do was to just give them medical help. You know, something actually useful.

But could you concede the point you made earlier that studies on "spiritual" things are being ignored by scientists? You were just unaware that these things go on.

 

[Everythingg]

Okay, fine. I should have clarified. What I meant was, no study has been able to demonstrate that a person who has claimed to have an out-of-body experience could demonstrate that they were... in that they were unable to perform certain tasks had they actually left their bodies and were floating or whatever. Does that make more sense?

Yes it makes more sense. What I was wondering was exactly how would one measure whether someone was having an OBE? Because I do not think they are suggesting that they will be seen floating in their bodies. You dont think that do you?

Also:

"In that they were unable to perform certain tasks had they actually left their bodies and were floating or whatever"

Such as.....?

Whatever.

 

[acri1]

Naw. Thats where FAITH comes in. If God really wanted to He could just come to earth and reveal Himself for all to see. Or better yet, He could have just let us be in the heavens roaming place to place. But from what it looks like, He put us here to learn so that we could be ready for the better things that are out there in the universe.

I cant tell you why God does or doesnt do certain things. All I can do is speculate. And I speculate that the study is kinda mocking. I mean they place people that are in dire need of help, and then try to formulate a study to see if that praying would actually help or hinder the person. Dont you think the better thing to do would have been just for them to pray for the people? I would think so but I also understand its a study. Which is why I believe that its flawed either way you slice it.

So god is just a who refuses to ever actually appear or provide conclusive evidence that he exists (even though he easily could) but expects people to believe he exists anyway? And even goes out of his way (such as in the prayer study) to make it look like he's not around?

 

[Fervid]

Well for one, EVERYONE has a bias.

And two, you (most likely being biased in this subject) ignore the fact that atheists act in the same manner that you say "theologists" do.

Atheist aren't making a claim to be biased toward. You are.

We're not saying that the universe was not created by some being. We're saying "it's possible, but I don't know", and neither do you.

 

[Everythingg]

No. Actually, the better thing to do was to just give them medical help. You know, something actually useful.

But could you concede the point you made earlier that studies on "spiritual" things are being ignored by scientists? You were just unaware that these things go on.

1. No if you're studying the effects on prayer, the best thing to do would be to have people pray for them, (hopefully to God and not some idol) and then proceed as normal.

2. No I will not concede that. For instance, I would say the world ignores the plight of Africans. Now of course there are those that do care for Africans and their well being but Im sure you would agree that there plight is largely ignored.

 

[NoMayo15]

Yes it makes more sense. What I was wondering was exactly how would one measure whether someone was having an OBE? Because I do not think they are suggesting that they will be seen floating in their bodies. You dont think that do you?

Also:

"In that they were unable to perform certain tasks had they actually left their bodies and were floating or whatever"

Such as.....?

Yeah, no they wouldn't see their spirit floating or anything. What they did in some of these studies would be something like placing a card with a number on the other side of a wall, that could be seen if they were floating above their bodies, but not just sitting in the chair. Something like that.

 

[Everythingg]

Atheist aren't making a claim to be biased toward. You are.

We're not saying that the universe was not created by some being. We're saying "it's possible, but I don't know", and neither do you.

Try to keep up breh.

You said that theologists are full of confirmation bias when thats true of every walk of life. Or is what I said false? Some atheists do not look to confirm their already held beliefs?

 

[Everythingg]

So god is just a who refuses to ever actually appear or provide conclusive evidence that he exists (even though he easily could) but expects people to believe he exists anyway? And even goes out of his way (such as in the prayer study) to make it look like he's not around?

I guess you missed the speculation part

Its your kings that have blinded God's existence from the world. Because they serve evil. Which is why this world is filled with what? Evil.

 

[Everythingg]

Yeah, no they wouldn't see their spirit floating or anything. What they did in some of these studies would be something like placing a card with a number on the other side of a wall, that could be seen if they were floating above their bodies, but not just sitting in the chair. Something like that.

This is what they did or are you suggesting a study to me?

 

[acri1]

I guess you missed the speculation part

Its your kings that have blinded God's existence from the world. Because they serve evil. Which is why this world is filled with what? Evil.

Maybe you follow "kings" or something but I live in the 21st century so


But regardless, God sounds kind of weak if some "kings" or "evil" people got him scared to show up.