Why does the Coli pretend that African and West Indian immigrants don't exist

[Akae Beka]

Numbers don't lie. If you disagree with basic math, then you've got far deeper problems than I can help you with.

Caribbean immigrants by decade:

1930- 14,000(%2.0)

1940- 36,000(%4.2)

1950- 115,000(%4.6)

1960- 472,000(%14.7)

1960 saw almost three times as much Caribbean immigration than the previous three decades put together. Gee, I wonder what caused the dramatic increase?

I guess your family was one of the few among the 14,000 people who hit the lotto and got to come in the 1930s. You wouldn't happen to be a white cuban would you? Because that's who made the bulk of those immigrants during that time.

Numbers don't lie but they don't tell the whole truth. I see what you're doing though. You can play dense if you want. Ad hominem don't and wont work with me.

The article already explained the reasons for the increase in the 60s, but you seem to skip over that and diverse back into your narrative.

Nope, my family are all black and are spread out over several island nations throughout the lesser Antilles. A lot of my family are from the Virgin Islands( Where I was born), who has been apart of the U.S for over a hundred years now. Some have been here(in the usa) before the 1930s. I have recent family from Dominica and Trinidad and a slew of other smaller nations.

You deal with baseless numbers, I deal with shyt I know.

 

[Akae Beka]

From the SAME EXACT WEBSITE you quoted from, except this page deals specifically with black caribbean immgirants.


A Demographic Profile of Black Caribbean Immigrants in the United States

Tell me, why are you trying to pass off a bunch of pre-civil rights white cuban immigrants, as black west indians just for the sake avoiding having to admit that our civil rights movement was the main catalyst to your folks being able to move here?

If u download the report, in the executive summary tells you that black Caribbean immigrants started coming here frequently at the start of the 1900s. It gets even worse for you the more you read...go right ahead



The articles pretty much implies what the last one did but you thought you had yourself one and celebrated too early



With that being said, I support AAs and I'm married to a beautiful loyal AA queen but I just when I see some of this stuff posted

 

[Supper]

Numbers don't lie but they don't tell the whole truth. I see what you're doing though. You can play dense if you want. Ad hominem don't and wont work with me.

The article already explained the reasons for the increase in the 60s, but you seem to skip over that and diverse back into your narrative.

Nope, my family are all black and are spread out over several island nations throughout the lesser Antilles. A lot of my family are from the Virgin Islands( Where I was born), who has been apart of the U.S for over a hundred years now. Some have been here(in the usa) before the 1930s. I have recent family from Dominica and Trinidad and a slew of other smaller nations.

You deal with baseless numbers, I deal with shyt I know.

im·mi·gra·tion
ˌiməˈɡrāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country.

VIs moving to the US isn't immigration anymore than black texans moving to california is. It's domestic migration, seeing as VI is apart of the US.

So, VIs being able to move within the nation to the continental US from islands that're apart of the US is your evidence of pre-civil rights black caribbean IMMIGRATION to the US? lol Dude, you're grasping at straws here.

 

[Supper]

If u download the report, in the executive summary tells you that black Caribbean immigrants started coming here frequently at the start of the 1900s.

So, you're saying that you have evidence in the full report, that not only does it blatantly contradict itself, but it also contradicts official US census data on the subject? Great, I can't wait to see this ground breaking evidence of yours.

It gets even worse for you the more you read...go right ahead

So, stop bluffing and pull up this evidence of yours. I've already gave your everything from the official census data to using YOUR OWN "authoritative source" to back up my argument, so maybe you should actually substantiate your claims now. It's your turn to put up or shut up.

 

[Akae Beka]

VIs moving to the US isn't immigration anymore than black texans moving to california is. It's domestic migration, seeing as VI is apart of the US.

So, VIs being able to move to the continental US, from a US held island is your evidence of pre-civil rights black caribbean IMMIGRATION to the US? lol Dude, you're grasping at straws here.

I never said such. I'll give you a pass tho because I didn't specify but I also never said that my family from VI, were the ones in the U.S before the 1930s. Obviously that goes without stating, that theyre citizens that don't have to move like an immigrant does. I also said I family from Dominica and Trinidad, and they definitely were here before the 1920s. I see it on the logs, I find it in the record books and have heard it from family.
Was Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X mother white Cubans

 

[Akae Beka]

So, you're saying that you have evidence in the full report, that not only does it blatantly contradict itself, but it also contradicts official US census data on the subject? Great, I can't wait to see this ground breakign evidence of yours.



So, stop bluffing and pull up this evidence of yours. I've already gave your everything from the official census data to using YOUR OWN "authoritative source" to back up my argument, so maybe you should actually substantiate your claims now. It's your turn to put up or shut up.

If you read the article you sent me in the link that deals with black Caribbean and not the short paragraph you scrambled to find to prove your point, you would see it contradicts your point.
How are you gonna send me something you haven't read in full. I'm on mobile and I'm not gonna scan and upload pages at this time of the night but if you do read what you try to one up me on, you would see

 

[Supper]

I never said such. I'll give you a pass tho because I didn't specify but I also never said that my family from VI, were the ones in the U.S before the 1930s. Obviously that goes without stating, that theyre citizens that don't have to move like an immigrant does. I also said I family from Dominica and Trinidad, and they definitely were here before the 1920s. I see it on the logs, I find it in the record books and have heard it from family.
Was Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X mother white Cubans

Right, okay, so regardless your family + Louise Little(by way of Canada and marriage to an AA) + Marcus Garvey(deported) =/= significant black caribbean immigration to the US before 1965.

Cherry picking isn't a counter argument to empirical census data.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If it wasn't because of our civil rights movement, from which the the justification for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 came from, most non-white, forget black, immigrants wouldn't be here in the first place.
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 - Wikipedia

Our job = DONE In that regard.




No, but it is understandable that we be indifferent to it and let them HTON, given that many not only hold ignorant & bigoted views about AAs, spew constant vitriol about AAs(just go check their forums), and many Africans & Caribbeans make it a point to disassociate themselves from AAs as "model blacks/minorities" once they get here.

Furthermore, Africans WITHIN the continent of Africa are far more xenophobic towards each other than AAs are to them in the US. Why don't you take your issues of how African immigrants are treated to the South African embassy?

The bahamian government and people treat Haitians(both foreign and native born) like cockroaches. I don't think I even need to mention how Haitians are treated in DR.

Africans & Caribbeans need to stop scapegoating AAs as solutions or sources of their problems and look inwards at themselves. Immigration policy isn't an African-American problem.

This is the Supper I been waiting to see.

 

[Supper]

If you read the article you sent me in the link that deals with black Caribbean and not the short paragraph you scrambled to find to prove your point, you would see it contradicts your point.
How are you gonna send me something you haven't read in full. I'm on mobile and I'm not gonna scan and upload pages at this time of the night but if you do read what you try to one up me on, you would see

What the hell are you talking about, dude? The article from the same website you pulled your article from only contains three paragraphs, and I quoted DIRECTLY from it, so if it contradicts me, then it by vitrue contradicts itself, but it doesn't.

Here's the entire article.

Immigration from the Caribbean to the United States is a relatively recent phenomenon, beginning largely after changes to U.S. immigration law in 1965 that placed a new priority on family-based migration. This report, part of MPI's Young Children of Black Immigrants in America research initiative, provides a demographic profile of the 1.7 million Caribbean immigrants in the United States: their geographic settlement, education and workforce characteristics, earnings, modes of entry, family structure, and more.

Despite relatively low educational attainment, English-speaking Black Caribbean immigrants earn more in the U.S. labor market than Black African immigrants, who are among the best-educated immigrants in the United States. This earnings gap may be explained in part by the fact that Caribbean immigrants tend to have been in the United States longer and have greater English-language proficiency.

The share of Black immigrants varies across Caribbean-origin countries: they are the vast majority of immigrants from Haiti and most other English-speaking countries in the region, 14 percent of immigrants from the Dominican Republic, and just 3 percent from Cuba.

Where in it does it contradict me and itself? It clearly states black caribbean immigration began largely after the 1965 immigration reform. Where in there is the contradiction?

Stop, dancing around the subject, and substantiate your claims already. Give me credible analysis & official data on immigration as I did to you or just bow out of the debate until you can do so.

 

[Akae Beka]

Right, okay, so regardless your family + Louise Little(by way of Canada and marriage to an AA) + Marcus Garvey(deported) =/= equal significant black caribbean immigration to the US before 1965.

Cherry picking isn't a counter argument to empirical census data.

I never once and quote me if I'm wrong, ever stated black Caribbean people came here in droves before 1960s. I simply argued that we've been coming here for a long time before then. I said I've seen people on the coli argue that if it wasn't for 1965, none of y'all black immigrants would be here, which is simply not true. I used those examples people they were a few black people who was in the U.S clearly before 1960. What Marcus Garvey deportation status or Ms.Little being married to an AA has anything to do with this is beyond me

I never even brought up the amount of goal posts you moved

But keep going breh, thanks for at least keeping it civil

 

[Akae Beka]

What the hell are you talking about, dude? The article from the same website you pulled your article from only contains three paragraphs, and I quoted DIRECTLY from it, so if it contradicts me, then it by vitrue contradicts itself, but it doesn't.

Here's the entire article.



Where in it does it contradict me and itself? It clearly states black caribbean immigration began largely after the 1965 immigration reform. Where in there is the contradiction?

Stop, dancing around the subject, and substantiate your claims already. Give me credible analysis & official data on immigration as I did to you or just bow out of the debate until you can do so.

On the left to it, you can download the whole report, not 3 paragraphs.

 

[Supper]

I never once and quote me if I'm wrong, ever stated black Caribbean people came here in droves before 1960s. I simply argued that we've been coming here for a long time before then. I said I've seen people on the coli argue that if it wasn't for 1965, none of y'all black immigrants would be here, which is simply not true.

Why then are you arguing with me? I never made that claim. I said from the beginning that MOST non-white(black included) immigrants wouldn't be here if it weren't for immigration reform act of 1965, which is true based on the data. I used the words none, all, or any.

You know what it's called when you misrepresent or fabricate a persons position or claim to attack it? A STRAWMAN! Which is exactly what you've been doing this whole time.

I never even brought up the amount of goal posts you moved

I never moved any goal post, this is what I've stated from the beginning and have stuck with it.

If it wasn't because of our civil rights movement, from which the the justification for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 came from, most non-white, forget black, immigrants wouldn't be here in the first place.

You didn't and still can not dispute that. All you've done thus far is attack strawmans that you got from random posters you claim to have interacted with in the past in place of MY actual argument.

 

[Supper]

On the left to it, you can download the whole report, not 3 paragraphs.

3 paragraphs IS THE ENTIRE ARTICLE! Now you want me to download the full report, to help you make your argument for you? You do it and quote from it if you feel it'll aid you in the debate.

If you read the article you sent me in the link that deals with black Caribbean and not the short paragraph you scrambled to find to prove your point, you would see it contradicts your point.
How are you gonna send me something you haven't read in full.

Yeah, talk about moving goal post here.................

 

[YouMadd?]

... I had an Ethiopian girl straight up tell me “we aren’t black, I’m not black, don’t call me black. My father explained to me that I am not black and to not let anyone refer to me as black”....

Meanwhile she was darker than me


Now Little old 12% of the population black Americans have to cape for EVERY fukkING BODY.... even though we have no affect on any of this shyt.

 

[Akae Beka]

Why then are you arguing with me? I never made that claim. I said from the beginning that MOST non-white(black included) immigrants wouldn't be here if it weren't for immigration reform act of 1965, which is true based on the data.

You know what it's called when you misrepresent or fabricate a persons position or claim to attack it? A STRAWMAN! Which is exactly what you've been doing this whole time.




I never moved any goal post, this is what I've stated from the beginning and have stuck with it.



You didn't and still can not dispute that. All you've done thus far is attack strawmans that you got from random posters you claim to have interacted with in the past in place of MY actual argument.

I still stand by what I posted, which you haven’t disputed.

Unlike flows from other parts of the world, the uptick in Caribbean immigration was not prompted by the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act because migration from the Western Hemisphere had not been subject to the national origin quotas set in 1921 and 1924

Plain n straight