Why Does Stevie Wonder Get More Love Than Ray Charles?

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age may be a reason

as far as this board goes, Stevie has a closer connection to hip hop...sampling, and haven't worked with some artists over there. Kanye did the ray cover with jamie, but Stevie has more examples that come to mind.

you mentioned other guys getting more due and the 'genuis' label and I thought of guys like George Clinton, james Brown, troutman brothers, isaac hayes, etc . I think thats due to this being a hiphop board and the sampling that those artists music provided
 

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Stevie made better music.

Even mj loved Stevie's music.

Who is better is subjective, and which mj you talking about?

Ray Charles was doing in the 50s what others are now starting to do and people are impressed by it.

You see how music is subjective because Ray Charles has more critically acclaimed albums than Stevie wonder

I just compared the two because they are both geniuses but one gets more shine than the other which I couldn't understand but we put together in this thread, that Stevie wonder benefits from blacks being more mainstream in his time.
 

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age may be a reason

as far as this board goes, Stevie has a closer connection to hip hop...sampling,
and haven't worked with some artists over there. Kanye did the ray cover with jamie, but Stevie has more examples that come to mind.

you mentioned other guys getting more due and the 'genuis' label and I thought of guys like George Clinton, james Brown, troutman brothers, isaac hayes, etc . I think thats due to this being a hiphop board and the sampling that those artists music provided


exactly
 

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added with the specific secular elements that would birth soul

He POPULARIZED the sound, there were others before him that had the same and similar sound, Ray even admitted he was influenced by Jesse Whitaker
 

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age may be a reason

as far as this board goes, Stevie has a closer connection to hip hop...sampling, and haven't worked with some artists over there. Kanye did the ray cover with jamie, but Stevie has more examples that come to mind.

you mentioned other guys getting more due and the 'genuis' label and I thought of guys like George Clinton, james Brown, troutman brothers, isaac hayes, etc . I think thats due to this being a hiphop board and the sampling that those artists music provided

You know this Also could have something to do with it. I notice that artists that are more closely associated with hip hop get more love.

Ray Charles didn't even like rap music, he didn't say it directly but indirectly he felt rap music was too easy. He said in school he could write poetry and rap it to the beat but that wasn't nothing to him.
 

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He POPULARIZED the sound, there were others before him that had the same and similar sound, Ray even admitted he was influenced by Jesse Whitaker

Here's what you're not getting. Nothing is new under the sun but Ray Charles put his own twist on it and transcended it which later created soul music.

Just like Ray Charles turnt country music into something else better than what it was before.
 

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Here's what you're not getting. Nothing is new under the sun but Ray Charles put his own twist on it and transcended it which later created soul music.

Just like Ray Charles turnt country music into something else better than what it was before.

Here’s what you’re not getting - He didn’t create soul music:damn:
 

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Here’s what you’re not getting - He didn’t create soul music:damn:

The sound you hear now is because of Ray Charles not jesse whitaker. He took gospel and mixed with many of other things which became soul music. Jesse whitaker might of been doing some things with gospel but he didn't transcend it like Ray Charles did.
 

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The sound you hear now is because of Ray Charles not jesse whitaker. He took gospel and mixed with many of other things which became soul music. Jesse whitaker might of been doing some things with gospel but he didn't transcend it like Ray Charles did.

Agreed, my statement regarding Whitaker was that he was an influence on Ray’s sound. However, Ray did not invent soul music - there were other artist like Clyde McPhatter, Hank Ballard & Etta James who were also the architects of the sound, Ray popularized it.
 

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He POPULARIZED the sound, there were others before him that had the same and similar sound, Ray even admitted he was influenced by Jesse Whitaker

ray charles secularized those elements in a way that they clearly sound different from the gospel and are the start of soul








 

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Agreed, my statement regarding Whitaker was that he was an influence on Ray’s sound. However, Ray did not invent soul music - there were other artist like Clyde McPhatter, Hank Ballard & Etta James who were also the architects of the sound, Ray popularized it.

Oh they did, but they didn't put the twist on it like Ray Charles did. Ray Charles transcend what they did. Ray Charles caught hell for mixing gospel and sex together. Its kinda like what Jay-Z said "you made it a hot line I made it a hit song"

Ray Charles biggest influences were Nat king Cole and Charles Brown, but we can both agree he took influences from them and transcended what they did and put his own twist on it and it became something else, the same with soul music.
 
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