Why does it seem that Black people can never get ahead in America?

[JoeClair]

If you are calling the American government "the enemy" explicitly and obstructing their geopolitical goals then sure, they will come for you, but I don't see the need for that.

I don't agree that they will only come for you if call them "the enemy." The government has treated us like dirt since day one. But what you're really saying is that if Africans do separate, they'll be fine as long as they don't directly affect the American government's geopolitical goals. Or?

No, Black people never had a mass movement for more capital. Black Wall Street and the Panther social programs were created circulating existing capital, which we did not have a lot of at that time.

What's changed?

There is a large gap between now and the 70s. Believe or not, but many ethnic enclaves function in America, despite a few hate crimes here or there. I do not believe that White racist would be nearly as much of a physical threat to destroying a whole community like they were capable in 1920, especially given that everything is now integrated in the global economy.

We have enclaves today. I guess we have everything we need. Is it enclaves or a mass movement for capital? Based on your logic (and past history) it appears the government finds the latter to be an obstruction to their goals.

 

[Poitier]

I don't agree that they will only come for you if call them "the enemy." The government has treated us like dirt since day one. But what you're really saying is that if Africans do separate, they'll be fine as long as they don't directly affect the American government's geopolitical goals. Or?

I'm saying that the American government isn't far less likely to undermine a community if it is not actively declaring itself as an enemy.

changed?

Globalism and a less radical and declining White population along with ubiquitous news and social media

have enclaves today. I guess we have everything we need. Is it enclaves or a mass movement for capital? Based on your logic (and past history) it appears the government finds the latter to be an obstruction to their goals.

You need to reword this.

 

[JoeClair]

I'm saying that the American government isn't far less likely to undermine a community if it is not actively declaring itself as an enemy.

Isn't far less likely? Well then I agree.

Globalism and a less radical and declining White population along with ubiquitous news and social media

Social media is changing the landscape for African-Americans? I don't know about that. Just like I don't know about declining white population. See all those Asian and white babies? More and more latinos/hispanics identifying themselves as white? Crazy, right?

You need to reword this.

No, I don't.

 

[Poitier]

Isn't far less likely? Well then I agree.

Social media is changing the landscape for African-Americans? I don't know about that. Just like I don't know about declining white population. See all those Asian and white babies? More and more latinos/hispanics identifying themselves as white? Crazy, right?

No, I don't.

Most Hispanics are identifying as a Hispanic. An incredibly small percentage of Hispanics mark White and are of the mestizo variety. Even still, they are a less radical group of people than 50 years ago.

You really do need to reword that sentence. The syntax is fukked up and making it incoherent.

 

[JoeClair]

Most Hispanics are identifying as a Hispanic. An incredibly small percentage of Hispanics mark White and are of the mestizo variety. Even still, they are a less radical group of people than 50 years ago.

You really do need to reword that sentence. The syntax is fukked up and making it incoherent.

Even so, it's pretty silly to think things are going to change because of social media or a declining White population. The majority of people in this world are colored to begin with. And being a minority didn't stop Whites in South Africa.

I don't need to re-word anything. I'm pretty sure you understand. One one hand you talk about a "mass movement for capital." Then you say it's possible because there are other ethnicities are thriving in small pockets of the country. Apples and oranges.

 

[Poitier]

Even so, it's pretty silly to think things are going to change because of social media or a declining White population. The majority of people in this world are colored to begin with. And being a minority didn't stop Whites in South Africa.

Violence and radical violence has been decreasingly so no, it isn't silly to think these things are changing.

I don't need to re-word anything. I'm pretty sure you understand. One one hand you talk about a "mass movement for capital." Then you say it's possible because there are other ethnicities are thriving in small pockets of the country. Apples and oranges.

The difference between a native population versus an immigrant population. There are ways for the native population to get that very same capital but it is obviously not going to come as easy.

 

[JoeClair]

Violence and radical violence has been decreasingly so no, it isn't silly to think these things are changing.



The difference between a native population versus an immigrant population.

Things have been changing for 400 years. How much longer you think? Another 200 maybe?

What are those differences right now specifically.

 

[Poitier]

Things have been changing for 400 years. How much longer you think? Another 200 maybe?

What are those differences right now specifically.

Things haven't "been changing for 400 years"

The first real shift happened in the 60s. The fact that you are online typing nonsense should key you in to the differences.

 

[JoeClair]

Things haven't "been changing for 400 years"

The first real shift happened in the 60s. The fact that you are online typing nonsense should key you in to the differences.

Nonsense is believing there was no real shift from the 17th century to the 1960's.

 

[Poitier]

Nonsense is believing there was no real shift from the 17th century to the 1960's.

For someone who is history illiterate

 

[JoeClair]

For someone who is history illiterate

Nah for you. Real nonsense. And absolutely disrespectful to those who fought so that Blacks could own their own, to have seats in Congress and build their own communities. I'm not surprised you think the first real shift was when you got the legal right to cuddle up next to Whitey.

 

[Poitier]

Nah for you. Real nonsense. And absolutely disrespectful to those who fought so that Blacks could own their own, to have seats in Congress and build their own communities. I'm not surprised you think the first real shift was when you got the legal right to cuddle up next to Whitey.

Black people would create all of those things regardless. The problems are radical Whites and the first huge shift began then.

 

[JoeClair]

Black people would create all of those things regardless. The problems are radical Whites and the first huge shift began then.

And they did create all that before the 1960's. So maybe that era wasn't the first "real shift."

 

[Poitier]

And they did create all that before the 1960's. So maybe that era wasn't the first "real shift."

All of that would be create regardless. Once again, the important shift is in radical Whites behavior.

 

[JoeClair]

All of that would be create regardless. Once again, the important shift is in radical Whites behavior.

There have always been radical whites and advocates.