Why does it feel like Jonathan Kuminga is still being slept on?

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I saw him kick the Suns azz in ways that don't show up on a stat sheet.I didn't know he was only 19...Thought he 22-23.

 

[Remote]

gonna be fun to revisit the hot takes in this one.

 

[Mortal1]

He's definitely slept on because you are a pink bytch. Dedicated pink bytch fans are bad luck for good players. bytch ass nikka.

On another note doe, Kuminga has the same skill set as Zion. Not as good and his handle is miles behind A, but as far as strengths, him and Zion are good at the same things.

Breh could definitely average 25ppg in the future, I expect him to have a breakout season next year.

My brother was saying this as well they're very similar.

 

[richtree]

slept on? seems a bit far fetched.
he didnt play much but he's shown some promise and has a solid frame/athleticism to be a great defender.
he just needs more playing time, which he will get this season with a couple of warriors leaving the squad (GP2, Otto Porter) and they may be looking at him to replace Wiggins after this upcoming season.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

slept on? seems a bit far fetched.
he didnt play much but he's shown some promise and has a solid frame/athleticism to be a great defender.
he just needs more playing time, which he will get this season with a couple of warriors leaving the squad (GP2, Otto Porter) and they may be looking at him to replace Wiggins after this upcoming season.

I don't think it is, at all.

There isn't even ONE thread on him prior to this one, and there was barely any talk about him during the season, despite the fact that he's shown star potential. I saw 10x the discussion around Cade, Jalen, Scottie, Mobley, Giddey, etc. Again, a lot of it is because he's on the Warriors and is pushed more to background with Steph and the dynasty the team has built, so it only makes sense the spotlight isn't going to be on him like that.

His ceiling is just as high as any player in his class, and that's not really reflective of the posting activity about him.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

 

[firemanBk]

He's basically what many expected Wiggins to become, but opting to bypass college and play in the G-League Ignite didn't do his brand any favors. He would've been in the #1 pick conversation and hyped up to be a potential superstar if he did take the college route.

Wiggins was expected to be a multiple time All Star/All NBA selection and franchise player you must have some unreal expectations for Kuminga

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Wiggins was expected to be a multiple time All Star/All NBA selection and franchise player you must have some unreal expectations for Kuminga

Watch him hoop and you'll see.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The league is gonna regret that this cat fell into the Warriors' lap.

 

[Braman]

He's basically what many expected Wiggins to become, but opting to bypass college and play in the G-League Ignite didn't do his brand any favors. He would've been in the #1 pick conversation and hyped up to be a potential superstar if he did take the college route.

I don’t think this is true. First, bc his G league teammate Jalen green went #2 so clearly that route didn’t cost him.

2nd, 2022 is shaping up to be a historic draft class. At most you can argue he fell slightly from 5 or 6 to 7. Other guys were just easier comps and the picks matched their GMs. Presti is an analytic shut and he took Giddey. Masai is outside the box and took Barnes. The only head scratcher was Suggs over Kuminga

 

[Robbo]

That play where he just drove right into the centers chest and finished... you could hear the thump loud on TV. Great 2nd half after a slow 1st

 

[Braman]

I’m actually surprised at these comments. I thought it was well known by his flashes that he’s gonna be a star. Like not even a question I’ll put whatever up.

Random guys don’t put up 30 point games At age 19 with other star players on the court. It just doesn’t happen. He’s done that numerous times and some is off pure athleticism

Also dude shot 50% from the field. There are seasoned vets…all stars…HOFers, who never shot 50% from thr field. Also 33% from 3 and his weakness is supposed to be he’s not a shooter

He’s a problem bc if the traditional PF is being eliminated, he’s athletic enough to play the 4 and hold it down, but what 4 is gonna stay in front of him?!

To put it in perspective, everyone says Kawhi and its true but also look at jaylen brown. Similar raw athletic prospects.

Kuminga age 19 rookie: 70G, 12s, 17mpg: 9ppg, 3.3rpg, 50/33/68

Brown age 20 rookie : 78g, 20s, 17.2mpg: 6.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 45/34/68

Also brown is 6’6 while Kuminga is 6’8

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don’t think this is true. First, bc his G league teammate Jalen green went #2 so clearly that route didn’t cost him.

2nd, 2022 is shaping up to be a historic draft class. At most you can argue he fell slightly from 5 or 6 to 7. Other guys were just easier comps and the picks matched their GMs. Presti is an analytic shut and he took Giddey. Masai is outside the box and took Barnes. The only head scratcher was Suggs over Kuminga

The thing you have to remember here is, he was in the top-3 for HS rankings, so he could've easily put himself in the #1 pick conversation if he had increased his stock if he went to college (where his stats would've looked better), as there would've put more emphasis on his actual play rather than how he went on the G-League Ignite (we're seeing now how there was far too much focus on his scoring inefficiency).

I’m actually surprised at these comments. I thought it was well known by his flashes that he’s gonna be a star. Like not even a question I’ll put whatever up.

Random guys don’t put up 30 point games At age 19 with other star players on the court. It just doesn’t happen. He’s done that numerous times and some is off pure athleticism

He didn't have any 30-point games during the season, but to that point, there's plenty of rookies that have high-scoring performances that don't amount to anything. Especially in a system like the Warriors, where it's equal opportunity and the principles of it are built on turning a good shot opportunity into an even better one, so it only stands to reason players of all kinds of abilities will eat at some point during the season. The majority of his 20-point performances either came when the Warriors rested players or in garbage time, so you couldn't really put a whole lot of stock into the exact amount of points he was scoring - it was more how he was scoring, and that was whenever he was on the court where he could've only ended up scoring 8 points.

Also dude shot 50% from the field. There are seasoned vets…all stars…HOFers, who never shot 50% from thr field. Also 33% from 3 and his weakness is supposed to be he’s not a shooter

Boxscoreman, you really need to stop doing this.

You can't draw conclusions from surface stats like this, as he only attempted six shots per game (his percentages are relatively inconsequential given the low volume and his role on the team), and as I said above, the Warriors' system allowed him to get high probability shots because of how well they move the ball and create for one another. The same applies to everyone. Draymond shot over 50% from the field last season, and we all know he wouldn't be as efficient on any other team.

Kuminga wouldn't have shot nearly as high on another team, but again, the volume is so low that his actual efficiency is irrelevant to the bigger picture. I couldn't care less if he only shot 40% from the field last season. I mean, with how aggressive he was and how often he forced the officials to make a decision on calling a foul or not, it could've easily gone in the other direction where they didn't give him respect and in turn that would've dropped his efficiency.

To put it in perspective, everyone says Kawhi and its true but also look at jaylen brown. Similar raw athletic prospects.

Kuminga age 19 rookie: 70G, 12s, 17mpg: 9ppg, 3.3rpg, 50/33/68

Brown age 20 rookie : 78g, 20s, 17.2mpg: 6.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 45/34/68

Also brown is 6’6 while Kuminga is 6’8

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, but the box score stats are meaningless. They play in two different systems with small roles on small volume. There isn't really anything to compare other than physical profiles. My G, I think you get too caught up in trying to shape your perception through what you see in the box score.

 

[Braman]

The thing you have to remember here is, he was in the top-3 for HS rankings, so he could've easily put himself in the #1 pick conversation if he had increased his stock if he went to college (where his stats would've looked better), as there would've put more emphasis on his actual play rather than how he went on the G-League Ignite (we're seeing now how there was far too much focus on his scoring inefficiency).

He didn't have any 30-point games during the season, but to that point, there's plenty of rookies that have high-scoring performances that don't amount to anything. Especially in a system like the Warriors, where it's equal opportunity and the principles of it are built on turning a good shot opportunity into an even better one, so it only stands to reason players of all kinds of abilities will eat at some point during the season. The majority of his 20-point performances either came when the Warriors rested players or in garbage time, so you couldn't really put a whole lot of stock into the exact amount of points he was scoring - it was more how he was scoring, and that was whenever he was on the court where he could've only ended up scoring 8 points.

Boxscoreman, you really need to stop doing this.

You can't draw conclusions from surface stats like this, as he only attempted six shots per game (his percentages are relatively inconsequential given the low volume and his role on the team), and as I said above, the Warriors' system allowed him to get high probability shots because of how well they move the ball and create for one another. The same applies to everyone. Draymond shot over 50% from the field last season, and we all know he wouldn't be as efficient on any other team.

Kuminga wouldn't have shot nearly as high on another team, but again, the volume is so low that his actual efficiency is irrelevant to the bigger picture. I couldn't care less if he only shot 40% from the field last season. I mean, with how aggressive he was and how often he forced the officials to make a decision on calling a foul or not, it could've easily gone in the other direction where they didn't give him respect and in turn that would've dropped his efficiency.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, but the box score stats are meaningless. They play in two different systems with small roles on small volume. There isn't really anything to compare other than physical profiles. My G, I think you get too caught up in trying to shape your perception through what you see in the box score.

I get what you’re trying to do with the whole ‘boxscore man’, but it ain’t gonna work scrap. Ain’t nobody lookin at box scores and basing their whole conclusion on that that. Don’t be dense. Also know the game, play the game, probably older than. You can’t tell me shyt about hoops I ain’t learned, experienced, done, and shyt out. With that introduction out the way…if you wanna talk normal be my guest. Or just talk keep taking in circles as if anyone gives a shyt about your personal eye test. I promise I don’t.

And, no, Kuminga wasn’t top 3, he was #4. Green, Cade, and Mobley were solidified top 3 and they went top 3. So Kuminga as the 4th best HS player ending up going 7 isn’t anything to write home about, it was a slight deviation. Especially since the guys ahead of him were right there as highly ranked

Lol @ ‘I don’t know what you’re getting at’. Kuminga at 19 is ahead of where Jalen brown was at 20. You go check Jaylen brown rookie tape or pull up some win shares or VORP or whatever it is you do and holla at me in 2 years

 

[GoldenGlove]

He’s a problem bc if the traditional PF is being eliminated, he’s athletic enough to play the 4 and hold it down, but what 4 is gonna stay in front of him?!

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