Why do these leagues continue to give a pass for officials making horrendous calls?

jfkennedy

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There's no defending that call. There was CLEAR confusion between the fielders and it was deep enough that even if they dropped it "purposely," there was ZERO chance for a double play and that's what the rule was intended to prohibit.

Indefensible all the way around.

Sorry, but you're wrong here.

The confusion came almost simultaneously with the umpire calling it an infield fly. Up until then, it 100% appeared that Kozma was going to catch the ball.
 

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EDIT: Gotcha :dead:

LOL. I just got done playing Madden. :why:
 

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So one person with a Cards avi is agreeing with the call :beli: and another who loves to play the devil's advocate.

We don't believe you, you need more people.

That ball was too deep to double anybody up and that's what the rule was created for. That call went against the very purpose of the rule. Like we never see fukkups in those situations between and infielder and an outfielder.
 

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So one person with a Cards avi is agreeing with the call :beli: and another who loves to play the devil's advocate.

We don't believe you, you need more people.

That ball was too deep to double anybody up and that's what the rule was created for. That call went against the very purpose of the rule. Like we never see fukkups in those situations between and infielder and an outfielder.

:whoa: Immediately after the call was made I said it was a blown call, in the postseason thread. I said that we got away with one. So you can kill the notion that just because I'm a Cards fan I'm agreeing with the call.

I'm agreeing with it AFTER watching the replay some 20 times, and not being in the heat of the moment.

I saw the shortstop go back and get underneath the ball where he would have had ordinary effort and would have caught the baseball, and that's why I called the infield fly.
- left-field umpire Sam Holbrook

As far as the purpose of the rule, the words "double play" aren't in the actual rulebook, so going by the exact definition of the rules, the call was correct. I know you want to believe otherwise though, so :manny:.
 

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:whoa: Immediately after the call was made I said it was a blown call, in the postseason thread. I said that we got away with one. So you can kill the notion that just because I'm a Cards fan I'm agreeing with the call.

I'm agreeing with it AFTER watching the replay some 20 times, and not being in the heat of the moment.

- left-field umpire Sam Holbrook

As far as the purpose of the rule, the words "double play" aren't in the actual rulebook, so going by the exact definition of the rules, the call was correct. I know you want to believe otherwise though, so :manny:.

We know why the rule was created. Don't be obtuse.
 
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There was definitely not clear confusion, lol. Kozma had his hand out, was locked on the ball and was underneath it...at the last moment he thought he heard Holiday so he moved. All of the confusion came AFTER it was called an infield fly...up until that point everything was pretty standard.

Nah. Ump didn't raise his hand until Kozma was already backing off. It's clear as day on the replay and Holliday admitted in the postgame that it was a miscommunication between the two.
 

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Nah. Ump didn't raise his hand until Kozma was already backing off. It's clear as day on the replay and Holliday admitted in the postgame that it was a miscommunication between the two.

The miscommunication came after the play was ruled infield fly. Arguing otherwise is just being ignorant.

His hand wasn't "all the way up" until Kozma was backing off...but he made the call right as Kozma settled under the ball, exactly like he's supposed to do and like every ump does all year round.

MLB Network | Harold Reynolds talks about the infield fly rule - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
 

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There was obviously miscommunication.....but it came AFTER the ump had already called it an infield fly. Kozma was in control, had settled under the ball, and the ump called IF. THEN the miscommunication happened.
 

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What do you want the leagues to do, breh?

Referees are humans, they're gonna make mistakes. Just like a dropped pass or a missed defensive assignment.

People make mistakes everyday, b. :yeshrug:
 

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The miscommunication came after the play was ruled infield fly. Arguing otherwise is just being ignorant.

His hand wasn't "all the way up" until Kozma was backing off...but he made the call right as Kozma settled under the ball, exactly like he's supposed to do and like every ump does all year round.

MLB Network | Harold Reynolds talks about the infield fly rule - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Gtfoh. Every fly ball hit that far into the outfield is called a blooper.
 
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There was obviously miscommunication.....but it came AFTER the ump had already called it an infield fly. Kozma was in control, had settled under the ball, and the ump called IF. THEN the miscommunication happened.

I wish I had the video. I'm almost positive that holliday said it was a miscommunication the whole way.
 

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If some of you don't bet on sports, you might not understand how refs can easily manipulate spreads etc.

Remember that bullshyt call made in that Chargers/Steelers game a couple years back? The public's side of the spread would've won but they literally made up a call to erase that garbage time touchdown that meant nothing.

The Seattle-Green Bay game the big, big public favorite lost. I'm not saying that it was a huge conspiracy, but most of the time when these bad calls happen, the public team (the team that more people bet to win on than the other) is the one getting fukked over and it's for a reason.

You see it all the time basketball too. Whistling pointless free-throw attempts to fukk up the spread.

Just look at the spread and odds of a game--you don't even have to make an actual wager-- and see how officials manipulate the game by purposely not calling particular violations or doing whatever they can to call one.
 
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