Why do some black people claim obviously mixed people as black?

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Your missing the point. The Afram Cultural identity has always been shaped like this as @IllmaticDelta has already pointed out

Yup. I know how or why people keep glossing over this fact

Aframs have the most comprehensive view point on blackness in the entire diaspora. We should, we basically defined it in the modern sense

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nikkas love coming with that "RACE IS A SOCIAL COSTRUCT" shyt :heh:


Everything is a social construct, nikka. It's how we label shyt. Everything was made the fukk up. Even the words you type now are a social construct:bryan:


It's two things that make nikkas mad quick-fast: Saying they talk white and telling a biracial they aren't black :bryan::bryan:
 

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We didn't come up with the one drop rule. When white folks made it up we were considered only 3/5 human and weren't even in position to come up with that. What goes on in the rest of the world is irrelevant to our experience. This is why I say if you woulda been a slave or needed papers to prove your freedom you are black in this country

So in other words people are too lazy to redefine themselves accurately and go by the standards of someone who doesnt even consider us human in the first place..is that what youre saying Sir??
Whats going to happen when the mixed folks no longer need to claim 'Black' anymore because their own numbers would have risen with all this mixing going on?? Where will it leave the gullible ever trusting real Black people who will get the short end of the stick once again.
 

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So in other words people are too lazy to redefine themselves accurately and go by the standards of someone who doesnt even consider us human in the first place..is that what youre saying Sir??

again, the afram identity/mixed bloods factor was already being crystalized before white people came up with one drop rule as a law. All the one drop rule did was reinforce it.


Whats going to happen when the mixed folks no longer need to claim 'Black' anymore because their own numbers would have risen with all this mixing going on?? Where will it leave the gullible ever trusting real Black people who will get the short end of the stick once again.

This will never happen in the USA because how people of african descent identify histroically and the legacy of the drop rule is too ingrained





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12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule

"What are you?" they'd ask, head tilted and eyes squinted.

"Black," I'd reply.

"No ... but like, what else are you? I know it's not all black."

So went a typical interrogation by my peers as a kid. With skin lighter than even some who identify as White and hair that streaks blond in the sun, I've never been offended by the question, although I have since changed my response. To the more politically correct question that I'm asked in adulthood — "Where are you from?" — I would recite my ethnic makeup, followed by a definitive, "But I identify as Black." (If I feel like being a wise ass, I'll simply reply with "New Jersey.")
How do you define a racial identity? Can "blackness" be defined simply by a person's skin tone, hair texture or facial features? Can we define it by the way someone walks or talks? Can it be a product of someone's cultural affinities, regardless of what she looks like?

These are the questions that Dr. Yaba Blay and photographer Noelle Théard encourage us to wrestle with in (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. Featuring the perspectives of 58 people who identify as part of the larger "racial, cultural, and social group generally referred to and known as Black," the book combines candid memoirs and striking portraits to explore the complexities of Black identity and celebrate an individual's right to self-identify.

(1)ne Drop's title derives from the "one-drop rule" — a (successful) attempt to define blackness in America as one drop, or at least 1/32, of Black ancestry for the economic, social and political purposes of distinguishing a Black person from a White person. I say "successful," because the one-drop rule still holds cultural weight today, especially with regard to how we value light and dark skin. For this reason, Dr. Blay aims to "challenge narrow yet popular perceptions of what Blackness is and what Blackness looks like."

"I think the context that we live in shapes the way you identify yourself, and the way others identify you," says Dr. Blay. And therein lies the power of (1)ne Drop. From Zun Lee, a man who has always identified as Black despite being phenotypically Asian, to Sembene McFarland, a woman whose vitiligo bizarrely blurs other people's perception of her race, to James Bartlett, a man who is mistaken for Italian, Arab or Hispanic depending on what U.S. city he's in, (1)ne Drop narrates a story of blackness that is not bound by looks, but that is fluid and empowered by the act of self-identification.

Below are 12 portraits of participants, including their self-identification and a piece of their personal story from (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race:


1. La Block – “Biracial/Mixed”

"I always wanted to be darker because I didn't want to have to tell people that I'm Black. I just wanted them to be able to tell … Now I say that I'm Biracial just because I think it's important to embrace cultures and I think the language of 'Biracial' reflects everything that I am."

2. Andrew Holmes - "Black"

"I've never been put in a situation to have to think about how I identify. I don't exclude my Biracialness. I fully embrace my Caucasian roots, just as I do my Jamaican roots. When I'm at home and I'm looking at my mom and my dad and my siblings, I don't necessarily see a Black family or a White family — I just see my family. But if there's a need for me to bubble in what I am, there's no hesitation — I bubble in 'Black.' That's just how I feel. I'm definitely not a White guy. People don't look at me and say, 'Hey, look at that White man!'"

3. Zun Lee – “Black”

"When I applied to grad school or for jobs, all of a sudden the boxes come up. I had to make a choice, so for the first time, I checked 'Black.' And I didn't think long about it because for me, it was based on personal circumstance. I just chose the box that I felt most at home with because I didn't relate to any of the other options. From then on, if I were asked, I would answer, 'I'm Black.' Of course, people told me I couldn't do that — that I couldn't choose that box. But I had spent all of my life being pushed away by people. In Germany, I wasn't even given the option to check anything because I wasn't welcomed there. I had no box. For the first time, I was being given the option to identify myself. Now I had a box, and I was happy in that little box."




5. James Bartlett – “Black”

"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"

6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”

"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."

7. Melanie Staton – “African American”

"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."

8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”

"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."

9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”

"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."



11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"

"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."

12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"

"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."
 

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A mixed child. Mixed + White/Black = Mixed.

In my opinion you'll need at least 2 to 3 generations of mixing with Black to be considered Black.
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not black clearly

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only one black person?

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no?

At least one more generation to go until any Marleys could possibly be black?
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you have a bad rep because you post unfounded and nonsensical BS:russ:




I already smashed your arguments but here goes some more

says the stupid pigskin whom argues 2 blacks can produce a biracial child and all AAs( the vast majority of whom have no non black relatives/ancestors) are so admixed we wouldn't fit in among the region/peoples of Africa we descend only to only to ignore or backtrack and resort to posting smiles as a response when proven wrong:aicmon:

how exactly is is posting new black/white supremacist propaganda i've repeatedly countered with out much effort smashing my argument:childplease:
 
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again, the afram identity/mixed bloods factor was already being crystalized before white people came up with one drop rule as a law. All the one drop rule did was reinforce it.




This will never happen in the USA because how people of african descent identify histroically and the legacy of the drop rule is too ingrained





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12 Beautiful Portraits Of Black Identity Challenging the "One-Drop" Rule

"What are you?" they'd ask, head tilted and eyes squinted.

"Black," I'd reply.

"No ... but like, what else are you? I know it's not all black."

So went a typical interrogation by my peers as a kid. With skin lighter than even some who identify as White and hair that streaks blond in the sun, I've never been offended by the question, although I have since changed my response. To the more politically correct question that I'm asked in adulthood — "Where are you from?" — I would recite my ethnic makeup, followed by a definitive, "But I identify as Black." (If I feel like being a wise ass, I'll simply reply with "New Jersey.")
How do you define a racial identity? Can "blackness" be defined simply by a person's skin tone, hair texture or facial features? Can we define it by the way someone walks or talks? Can it be a product of someone's cultural affinities, regardless of what she looks like?

These are the questions that Dr. Yaba Blay and photographer Noelle Théard encourage us to wrestle with in (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. Featuring the perspectives of 58 people who identify as part of the larger "racial, cultural, and social group generally referred to and known as Black," the book combines candid memoirs and striking portraits to explore the complexities of Black identity and celebrate an individual's right to self-identify.

(1)ne Drop's title derives from the "one-drop rule" — a (successful) attempt to define blackness in America as one drop, or at least 1/32, of Black ancestry for the economic, social and political purposes of distinguishing a Black person from a White person. I say "successful," because the one-drop rule still holds cultural weight today, especially with regard to how we value light and dark skin. For this reason, Dr. Blay aims to "challenge narrow yet popular perceptions of what Blackness is and what Blackness looks like."

"I think the context that we live in shapes the way you identify yourself, and the way others identify you," says Dr. Blay. And therein lies the power of (1)ne Drop. From Zun Lee, a man who has always identified as Black despite being phenotypically Asian, to Sembene McFarland, a woman whose vitiligo bizarrely blurs other people's perception of her race, to James Bartlett, a man who is mistaken for Italian, Arab or Hispanic depending on what U.S. city he's in, (1)ne Drop narrates a story of blackness that is not bound by looks, but that is fluid and empowered by the act of self-identification.

Below are 12 portraits of participants, including their self-identification and a piece of their personal story from (1)ne Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race:


1. La Block – “Biracial/Mixed”

"I always wanted to be darker because I didn't want to have to tell people that I'm Black. I just wanted them to be able to tell … Now I say that I'm Biracial just because I think it's important to embrace cultures and I think the language of 'Biracial' reflects everything that I am."

2. Andrew Holmes - "Black"

"I've never been put in a situation to have to think about how I identify. I don't exclude my Biracialness. I fully embrace my Caucasian roots, just as I do my Jamaican roots. When I'm at home and I'm looking at my mom and my dad and my siblings, I don't necessarily see a Black family or a White family — I just see my family. But if there's a need for me to bubble in what I am, there's no hesitation — I bubble in 'Black.' That's just how I feel. I'm definitely not a White guy. People don't look at me and say, 'Hey, look at that White man!'"

3. Zun Lee – “Black”

"When I applied to grad school or for jobs, all of a sudden the boxes come up. I had to make a choice, so for the first time, I checked 'Black.' And I didn't think long about it because for me, it was based on personal circumstance. I just chose the box that I felt most at home with because I didn't relate to any of the other options. From then on, if I were asked, I would answer, 'I'm Black.' Of course, people told me I couldn't do that — that I couldn't choose that box. But I had spent all of my life being pushed away by people. In Germany, I wasn't even given the option to check anything because I wasn't welcomed there. I had no box. For the first time, I was being given the option to identify myself. Now I had a box, and I was happy in that little box."




5. James Bartlett – “Black”

"Most of the time, I can tell — somebody's either just looking at me or they just flat out ask me, 'What are you?' I can't tell you how many times I get that question. It's funny, because now most people either say, 'I thought you were XYZ when I first met you,' or 'I didn't know what you were until you started talking and then I knew you were Black!'"

6. Nuala Cabral – “Black/Mixed/Cape Verdean”

"I may identify as a Biracial person — I'm Black and White — but if people see me as a Black woman, that's how I'm treated. So I identify as a Black woman because I move through the world as a Black woman."

7. Melanie Staton – “African American”

"I don't think ever in my life someone has looked at me like, 'I think she's a White girl.' But I'm not sure people always look at me at as African American either. I guess it doesn't dawn on people that the African American race can come in so many different shades."

8. Brandon Stanford – “African American”

"My consciousness never really allowed me to think of myself as anything else but Black or a person of African descent. Anyone who has had the opportunity to get to know me never questions my race. They never question me being Black. Never. Regardless of my complexion. But for those who don't necessarily know me, based on my phenotype and their perception, I've had some interesting experiences."

9. Sumaya Ellard – “Black American Muslim”

"I started covering my hair when I was about 14. It was an adjustment for me because in our society, especially within the Black community, we define ourselves very deeply by our hair. Your hair somehow identifies who you are, how Black you are, how beautiful you are, how polished you are, or your political inclinations. It was an adjustment because it felt like I was taking away part of my identity from people. The hijab itself can be a barrier in people's perception of you and how well they think they can identify who you are. And yet, I think that's the beauty of covering. You are forced to deal with yourself and your own self-identification."



11. Kaneesha Parsard — "Black/Multiracial"

"I tend to believe that being Black — like choosing to identify as Multiracial — is not about phenotype as much as it's about feelings of belonging and identification. I'm Black because I feel the memory of the Middle Passage and slavery most strongly. I'm Black because when I look in the mirror I see my mother, her mother and my aunts. Maybe my reasoning wouldn't be strong enough for somebody who might have an immediately negative or dismissive response to my phenotype, but our cultural memories have the same roots."

12. Brett Russel — "Yu’i Korsou (a child of Curaçao)"

"Even though I was born and raised in Curaçao and I spoke the language, at first sight people always thought that I was Dutch. Then, when I came to Holland in 2001, the people saw me as 'the immigrant.' All of a sudden, I was 'the Black guy.' It was frustrating. There was no explanation for it, and I realized how little I had actually thought about myself in the context of race."

wow..tha lenghty article on mixed breed identity and photo gallery of diverse AA mutts has convinced me :ohhh:...as much as it pains me to admit all socalled black Americans are super admixed with honkeys and others.....i don't feel comfortable being called African American or even black anymore considering we are so much more...clearly through white massa bloodline AAs have evolved to something superior to mere negros....I think we should start a petition for AAs to be labeled something much more appropriate to reflect our diverse heritage...maybe mulatto Americans,Afro, Europeans,blacasians or clacks..as an highly admixed New World person of color it rubs me the wrong way being lumped with pure negros:troll:...


seriously are you a zebra or all Neanderthal:camby:
 
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Mulatto History Month





Mulatto historian Carter G. Woodson, an attendee at Chicago's 1915 Exposition of Negro Progress (celebrating 50 years of Emancipation), was so inspired by the crowds' enthusiasm that he went on to promote the very first 'Negro History Week' in February 1926. A roaring success, this yearly event was expanded to an entire month in 1976, when President Gerald Ford urged all Americans to 'seize the opportunity to honor the too-often neglected accomplishments of black Americans in every area of endeavor throughout our history.'

But what is a Black American?

Let us take a moment to gaze upon the visages of those individuals held up as most honorable and praiseworthy during this month. First, 'Negro History Week's' creator, Mr. Carter G. Woodson himself:




POLITICS

Our first 'black' president needs little introduction, but what of our first 'black' Secretary of State?:





Our first 'black' female Secretary of State:





First 'black' Attorney General:




First 'black' Cabinet Member (HUD):






First 'black' State's Attorney General:




First 'black' elected Congressman:




First 'black' governor:




First 'black' elected governor:




First 'black' mayor:



First 'black' elected mayor:





THE MILITARY

First 'Black' to command a U.S. ship:




First 'Black' to graduate from West Point:




First 'black' colonel:




First 'black' general:




First 'black' four-star admiral:




First 'Black' to be awarded a Medal of Honor:






First 'black' Secret Service agent:




First 'black' female pilot:
 

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MEDECINE



Blood bank researcher and first 'black' American Surgery Board member:




First 'black' cardiologist:





First 'black' physician to author a medical textbook:




First 'black' M.D.:





ACADEMIA

First 'black' man to earn a B.A.:




First 'black' woman to earn a B.A.:




First 'black' man to earn a Ph.D.:




First 'black' woman to earn a Ph.D.:




First 'Black' to graduate Harvard:





First 'black' female college professor:




First 'black' Ivy League president:









LAW


First 'black' licensed lawyer:




First 'black' federal judge:





First 'black' circuit court chief justice:




First 'black' Supreme Court Justice:



First 'black' female State Supreme Court justice:



First 'black' female federal judge:




First 'black' female judge:





DIVERSE


First 'black' president of the American Psychological Association:

 

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First 'black' Roman Catholic bishop:




First 'Black' to conduct a major symphony orchestra:





Topeka NAACP president and launcher of Brown vs. Board of Education:







First 'black' woman to earn a U.S. patent:





First 'black' female bank president:







Nor must we forget some of Black History's greatest pioneers. Again, its creator, historian Carter G. Woodson:





Legendary abolitionist Frederick Douglass:




'The Great Accommodator' Booker T. Washington:




Sociologist and historian W.E.B. Dubois:










When the white-ordered 'one-drop rule' held sway, Mulattoes were forbidden from claiming their European heritage. Today, in a perfect inversion, the Afro-American community has seized hold of this same 'one-drop rule' in order to label even those octoroons with no visible African admixture 'Black.'

Fashion, too, has changed. Once, nearly anyone who could 'pass' for White did; today it has become well-considered to possess any and all DNA other than European. But in many places and times, Mulattoes have functioned as a separate caste, proud of their difference, proud to be Something Else. Alice Walker's daughter Rebecca, on our current president:
"Of course Obama is black. And he's not black, too," Walker said. "He's white, and he's not white, too. Obama is whatever people project onto him ... he's a lot of things, and neither of them necessarily exclude the other."
Christopher Hitchens, on Nov. 4, 2008:
"We do not have our first black president. He is not black. He is as black as he is white."

The identity of 'Mulatto' has fallen out of fashion in the U.S.; this blog does not see why it should. From his nearly 400-page 1918 investigation of 'The Mulatto in the United States', E.B. Reuter came to the following conclusion:

According to the strictness or the looseness of the definition of full-blooded Negro that is used, and the high or low degree of superiority that is accepted as the test, the twenty per cent of mixed-bloods among the American Negroes have produced eighty-five per cent or upwards of the race's superior men.
Our quick visual perusal of 'Black History Month's' great men and women may or may not lead us to a similar conclusion. But it is worth remembering that 'biracials' or 'mulattoes' have been discouraged for many years now from celebrating or even acknowledging their European blood and heritage. This blog takes the position that that is an unfortunate state of affairs. Sane racial policy would come back to a more finely-graded categorisation of the ethnic groups in America. We shall leave Mr. Reuter with the final word:

In any study and discussion of the race problem, scientific accuracy as well as a decent regard for simple truth requires that the writer indicates whether his discussion has to do with full-blooded Negroes or with the men of mixed blood. The failure to make this simple and elementary distinction, more than any other one thing, has made the vast bulk of the literature relating to the Negro in America either worthless or vicious.
 
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Mulatto History Month





Mulatto historian Carter G. Woodson, an attendee at Chicago's 1915 Exposition of Negro Progress (celebrating 50 years of Emancipation), was so inspired by the crowds' enthusiasm that he went on to promote the very first 'Negro History Week' in February 1926. A roaring success, this yearly event was expanded to an entire month in 1976, when President Gerald Ford urged all Americans to 'seize the opportunity to honor the too-often neglected accomplishments of black Americans in every area of endeavor throughout our history.'

But what is a Black American?

Let us take a moment to gaze upon the visages of those individuals held up as most honorable and praiseworthy during this month. First, 'Negro History Week's' creator, Mr. Carter G. Woodson himself:




POLITICS

Our first 'black' president needs little introduction, but what of our first 'black' Secretary of State?:





Our first 'black' female Secretary of State:





First 'black' Attorney General:




First 'black' Cabinet Member (HUD):






First 'black' State's Attorney General:




First 'black' elected Congressman:




First 'black' governor:




First 'black' elected governor:




First 'black' mayor:



First 'black' elected mayor:





THE MILITARY

First 'Black' to command a U.S. ship:




First 'Black' to graduate from West Point:




First 'black' colonel:




First 'black' general:




First 'black' four-star admiral:




First 'Black' to be awarded a Medal of Honor:






First 'black' Secret Service agent:




First 'black' female pilot:

-since when has Carter. G Wilson,/ everyone on that list been mulatto(the few 1/8th black peckerwoods aren't blacks enough to even be halfbreeds):stopitslime:
 

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Us Africans aren't out here claiming mixed as black :mjpls:

Thats what those Americans do :mjpls:

I don't know why either.... its like you're accepting your race as a dumping ground for anybody who is 'rejected' or 'unwanted' by a particular race

Other races aren't quick to claim biracial individuals as one of their own - why do some (mostly AAs :mjpls:) do this?

Imagine going into any normal African household talkin that 'mixed race = black' talk :huhldup: thats banter material right there :huhldup:
according to @Gravity, africans have always accepted the notion of the one drop rule :heh:
 
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someone is showing their inferiority complex:mjlol:...i get it(while most were ) a few 19th century mixed whites and mullatos given credit for AA/black achievement weren't really black at all but what your point and how does make the actual black/AA trail blazers around during that era mulatto:what:
 
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