Why did the XFL fail?

[Art Barr]

If someone else was as good at the business, they would've done just as well for just as long. Simple as that. WWF in the early, early 80s was no more or less popular than the NWA was. Jim Crockett was running his daddy's business too, was he not?

Far as the stars that were "raided" from other companies... obviously they were popular already, why would a company wanna acquire another company's unover talent? And if a person could be a national and possibly international star as opposed to being a regional star, why wouldn't they take the opportunity? I don't think that was any more a "raid" than any other wrestling company that secured stars from other places. That's why I said everybody comes from somewhere- very few stars in any of those companies were strictly homegrown. They came from other places before they got to the place Vince got them from, and some of them had even already been in the WWF before (i.e. Hogan). That's what happened when there were a bunch of different companies... people moved around, got better offers, got better pushes, tried to get over elsewhere because it wasn't working out where they were, etc. How's it just a raid when he did it? If NWA or AWA could've gotten Hogan or Savage from Vince in the late-80s, you don't think they would've?

as usual,...
your post are only nuffin but a bolded half truth.

or understanding of the real complextion or facts of the business, brwintrust or culture.

vkm violated hordes of business partnerships.

plus, he was close to death before rocky iii and fired hogun.

for appearing in rocky, not knowing wtf, rocky was, at all.

when rocky,..was the greatest sporting movie phenom and franchise in movie history.

winning fukking three oscars,..and one of them was:

BEST PICTURE

so real talk vkm is a scourge.

a fukking clown recluse who in a children's sporting event based business.

had no idea wtf, rocky was.

wwe still only exists because of rocky, hogun, and the protege to flair, scsa.

who dikk riders deflect, and talk about like vkm is a genius.

when he is an offbrand recluse who inherited his dad's company.

even his own father said he would fail with.

when he has done that on two occassions.

after being saved by two instances of another draw, aiding him.

he is no genius,...anybody can get lucky a few times, when you inherit a company.


art barr

 

[Da King]

I agree that the XFL fukked up the image of the WWE as a whole and brought the ratings down for everything

 

[seanjohn21276]

It failed because Vince couldn't separate himself and the E from the XFL. Granted, The Rock played college ball at the U, but most people didn't know that. And he couldn't come out in full Mr. McMahon character and be like welcome to the XFL. It's funny that the NFL took some of Vince's ideas from the XFL and not give him credit(but then again, they don't have to because people took the XFL as a joke anyway).

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Is the NBDL or Minor League Baseball on TV?

That's different. Those leagues are intended to be the "minor leagues" for their respective sports. The XFL was trying to be a competitor.

Also, Minor League Baseball has prospective superstars. The NBDL has the occasional relevant bench player

 

[concise]

as the nfl stole every higher quality wwf/xfl production product it could and hid their hands.


nfl looks exactly like an hd version of a xfl game now.



art barr

It's funny that the NFL took some of Vince's ideas from the XFL and not give him credit(but then again, they don't have to because people took the XFL as a joke anyway).

They'll never give him credit. That's what happens when you think it's fun to piss people off all the time.

 

[DANJ!]

as usual,...
your post are only nuffin but a bolded half truth.

or understanding of the real complextion or facts of the business, brwintrust or culture.

vkm violated hordes of business partnerships.

plus, he was close to death before rocky iii and fired hogun.

for appearing in rocky, not knowing wtf, rocky was, at all.

when rocky,..was the greatest sporting movie phenom and franchise in movie history.

winning fukking three oscars,..and one of them was:

BEST PICTURE

so real talk vkm is a scourge.

a fukking clown recluse who in a children's sporting event based business.

had no idea wtf, rocky was.

wwe still only exists because of rocky, hogun, and the protege to flair, scsa.

who dikk riders deflect, and talk about like vkm is a genius.

when he is an offbrand recluse who inherited his dad's company.

even his own father said he would fail with.

when he has done that on two occassions.

after being saved by two instances of another draw, aiding him.

he is no genius,...anybody can get lucky a few times, when you inherit a company.


art barr

To say he "got lucky a few times" is bullshyt when you're talkin' about someone who's had a 30-year run at the head of a company. Ain't that much "luck" in the world. Luck is for artists who have one hit they can still get paid off performing to this day. Luck is for a nikka who normally couldn't pull women that just happens to end up with a bad-ass girlfriend. Luck ain't for a muhfukka who inherited a business and made it a hundred times bigger than it ever was. Like I said, Jim Crockett Jr. inherited a business too... and the shyt almost sunk under his watch until Turner took it off his hands, and it went on to be more successful than ever because of a LUCKY muhfukka named Eric Bischoff, who then proceeded to drive the shyt into the ground. nikkas actin' like Vince was some idiot who just happened to stumble into success repeatedly. If that's true, he must be the greatest idiot that ever lived.

He's capable of dumb ideas, sure. He's capable of shyt that isn't a success, sure. I don't know if "genius" is a correct title, I think "visionary" is probably a better description. But if he ain't the most important person to the business side of wrestling, tell me who is and what currently-defunct organization they ran. Just give credit where it's due.

 

[Roman Brady]

if hes such a visionary why has wwe sunk into oblivion of irrelevance since the comp cease existence? being the least sucky promoter shouldnt grant him brownie points whatsoever

 

[DANJ!]

if hes such a visionary why has wwe sunk into oblivion of irrelevance since the comp cease existence? being the least sucky promoter shouldnt grant him brownie points whatsoever

I know it's like talking to a brick wall... it ain't like someone's ever gonna say something on a message board and the person they disagreed with is gonna say "oh yeah, you right"... but bruh...

Oblivion of irrelevance is where the other companies went. Last I checked, WrestleMania's packing stadiums every year. When they're back on some '95 type shyt, having Mania at some dead-ass 11,000 seat arena cause they wouldn't dare book it at a stadium, then you can say it's "sunk into oblivion". Just cause they're not in a boom period doesn't mean the company's dead or dying. A boom period is just that- it hits a ridiculous high and then it comes back down. shyt's still doing lots of business. Not 2000-level business, but you make it sound like employees there are in peril and Raw's close to cancellation. Doubt it.

 

[Reality Check]

It failed because Vince couldn't separate himself and the E from the XFL. Granted, The Rock played college ball at the U, but most people didn't know that. And he couldn't come out in full Mr. McMahon character and be like welcome to the XFL. It's funny that the NFL took some of Vince's ideas from the XFL and not give him credit(but then again, they don't have to because people took the XFL as a joke anyway).

This pretty much hit's the nail on the head. The XFL had the stigma of a gimmick, from being a WWF creation to having JR and King call football games. If McMahon had ceded Football Operations to someone else who had complete control over everything (announcers, training camps, marketing, etc), it might have had a chance to succeed in niche cities.