Why did the redpill and manosphere movement fail? Boys are falling further behind according to study.

[The Fade]

Duke Dennis-Myron Gaines dichotomy will show you something when it comes to the dating part of it

 

[Piff Perkins]

Alot of these men lack drive and ambition. That's the issue they're too stuck on trying to live that idealistic lifestyle that they see is a true version of a man. But what works for everyone is different. Everyone has a different purpose but most of these new guys don't know what their purpose is so they let society define it for them. That's why they're so depressed chasing a lifestyle that doesn't even fit who they are.

I think there's a correlation between the most lazy, unambitious boys/men and boys/men who are chronically online. The general refrain I hear from online men is that the game is rigged so why try. They don't want to be a "wage cuck" slaving at a retail job. They don't want to go to college because it's full of crazy feminist women. They don't want a lucrative office job because that's corporate slavery. They don't want a wife because who knows how many dikks she had before she married you. And they don't want children because the world is going to end soon. It's pure psychosis bullshyt from people sitting around consuming nonsense all day and night.

Flip side there are MORE men out here graduating college with lucrative degrees, or skipping college and getting lucrative trades jobs, or being construction workers, or doing something they love. Plenty of men are getting married, enjoying life, etc. But they probably aren't on IG all day watching an endless feed of bald rich dudes flexing cars/hoes while claiming the only way to survive is to hustle. That shyt is killing brains.

 

[ViShawn]

Scott Galloway and Richard Reeves have talked a lot about this and hopefully they get more of a platform.

 

[Gritsngravy]

It’s a whole lot of bullshyt ass opinions in this thread and not only that I see yall focus more on “manosphere” versus the actually content of the article

But whatever fact of the matter is boys have been abandoned for decades and this is the result, a lot of you old ass nikkas want to point fingers calling mfs lazy and telling em to trades and shyt like that

Where was yall at to train these boys, where was yall at explaining and training boys for trades, boys for decades haven’t been trained to be shyt except street nikkas or maybe athletes if they showed promise and that’s what we got this shyt ain’t hard to see

Now you got a bunch of lost mfs who don’t know where to go

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

These movements are about exploiting people to steal their money and diminish their worth. Folks are being robbed.

That's almost every streamer who takes donations imo

Even the ok ones

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

I mean Online Porn, Anime, Social Media and Video Games destroyed an entire generation of young men. Most are addicted to at least one of those things, sometimes all four.

Too many zombies out there roaming around with no real goals or aspirations in life and use that shyt as a form of escapism.

Niggss can’t watch Anime now?

 

[Diunx]

Because internet is not real life.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Ask yourself how is it that China manages to graduate millions of stem folks but yet America is on bullshyt with the homegrown talent with education

Why is majority of professors foreign

Why did they take trades out of highschools

Why is girls majority of the time valedictorians and salutatorians

 

[Jone2three45]

The Western World is going through a reset.

Social media has enabled women to leverage their sexual power more effectively. The manosphere lost its battle to an average chick with a cute picture. While dudes are watching hours of content every day on how to pick up women, the women are studying for jobs cause they dont need classes and bootcamps to figure out how to get men

It’s a whole lot of bullshyt ass opinions in this thread and not only that I see yall focus more on “manosphere” versus the actually content of the article

But whatever fact of the matter is boys have been abandoned for decades and this is the result, a lot of you old ass nikkas want to point fingers calling mfs lazy and telling em to trades and shyt like that

Where was yall at to train these boys, where was yall at explaining and training boys for trades, boys for decades haven’t been trained to be shyt except street nikkas or maybe athletes if they showed promise and that’s what we got this shyt ain’t hard to see

Now you got a bunch of lost mfs who don’t know where to go

Cold world.

 

[The Fade]

Right. The manosphere is just exploiting them.


One of the biggest things we can do to help young men out right now is to break the stigma around talking about mental health. There's still too much of a stigma around men asking for help or showing vulnerability. Changing that can be a start towards something better. People might think this is a joke, but therapy and group support really does help, especially with loneliness.

I know some people don't like this term, but 'toxic masculinity' is real and is harming a lot of young men. Too many men have a superficial understanding of what it means to be a man. It's not so simple as putting up a 'tough' front. Being open with how you feel and not hiding your emotions is an actual strength. It can help you to break free from isolation and promote mental well-being, and lead you to becoming more stable. A lot of people in those circles talk about stoicism, but don't really understand what it actually means.

As far as diverging career paths, a big part of it is that outdated gender roles just don't fit today. The role of a man has to change. Traditional jobs that used to be dominated by men, like manufacturing, are disappearing. Women have seemingly adapted better to the changing landscape, where young men have failed. It's not entirely their fault, either. They're still being sold the simple old idea of being *the* provider, getting a stable job, and taking care of their families. That still applies for some, but not in general. This is not an argument against 'traditional' families. It's about the single, lonely man who feel lost in this new world, and are removing themselves from it.

With education, we're going to have to start early. As Frederick Douglas said: "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."

That's not me advocating for writing people off as a lost cause. It's just saying we need to start early on in the formative years to nurture healthy, well-adjusted boys who become stable, productive men. We can start by making school and career paths more practical. The traditional college route is not for everyone, so why not offer more hands-on types of learning, like apprenticeships and trade programs? I know they helped me out a lot. There are also fields that were traditionally held by women, that are open to men, especially in healthcare. There's nothing effeminate about those jobs. That's another stigma that needs to be broken.

It's going to take a real effort to pull young men away from the redpill/manosphere mindsets, but I think it's possible. It's going to take people wanting to change too. We can focus on the well-being of men too w/o it harming women. Society just has to have the will to do it.

We have to teach them how to learn how to learn.(yes you read that right).

and create a system that works for them. You fall to the level of your systems, not rise to your goals. Looking at my sisters notes and levels of organization for school, it looks as if she was using metacognition. We do not teach boys this. Hands on learning should be required because active learning is real learning. Skimming a book before reading it for example. Using art and associative learning and marrying it with logic. Most youth think they learn when they go to class. That’s where the disconnect is when they do bad on a test. The learning takes place outside of the classroom, not in it. A supportive environment and supportive teachers also help

Also we let white racists brainwash everyone into thinking everything is innate and we’re stuck in castes. They big up Asians for being “innately smart” but there was a study in how asian moms do not believe in innate intellegence. They believe in effort. American parents give up on their kids when they make a bad grade and say “that’s okay schools just not for you”.

We’ve been taught how to learn wrong. Everything comes down to how much we participate in learning. I’ve had to relearn how to read book, and take notes and it’s lead me to being more creative. You cannot be passive, especially if you are a male. My brother is a good example of this. He learned how to use some math device as a child. He internalized the device to where when he does math he can use it in his head and he got A’s. Whereas I was a poor math student my whole life even when I showed my work. But had I practiced math like I practiced music, art, fighting game combos I would’ve been a better math student

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Cold world.

Thee coldest

 

[KidJSoul]

It comes down to two things:

Women being oppressed in the past has alwyss given girls a chip on their shoulder to prioritize education. As where boys became complacent, assuming jobs would always be there for them and that their wives would stay at home.


Men don't feel that they have any desirability - and online dating proved this more.

So telling men to focus on their improvement makes them feel bad because "why should I have to do ALL THIS just to be accepted"

 

[Wiseborn]

I listened to a podcast and it described what happened to me and why I decided to retire.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

It failed?

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Because it became overrun with grifters.All the people who genuinely gave a damn got lost in the wash.