Why comparing Beyoncé to Michael Jackson is a fair comparison- Billboard Magazine

[Premeditated]

what sepereates MJ and Beyonce is Beyonce needs all the props, themes, gimmicks, back up dancers, just to put on a great performance(unless it's an acapella , while MJ can blow the roof off by himself.

 

[Premeditated]

In your mind, you are a clown.

you on some serious crack if you think Madonna is anywhere near Beyonce's talent

 

[itsyoung!!]

This part is definitely true


"The omnipresence of social media and reality TV and an endless barrage of media coverage have robbed the general public of the kind of innocence that made adults faint at the sight of Michael Jackson at the height of his pop mega-stardom"

but beyonce been in public eye for 15 years before social media was big , what stopped people from fainting then

Its like all rational thought goes out the window with these beyonce stans

 

[itsyoung!!]

Basically. Times are different. If Beyoncé’s prime was during the same era (pre-social media), she’d be way more respected than she is now.

Beyonces prime was 2003.. if anything social media is the whole reason her name is big in 2018

Cause it sure aint her album sales or singles, yall dont support those

 

[itsyoung!!]

What a crazy is Beyonce dont have a diamond album and Usher has one

Beyonce albums rarely sell well for someone of her supposed popularity.

Its free to leave a bee emoji under a comment in the shaderoom instagram

Actual spending $10 on her album — they aint doing that

 

[MasterOfAllHeSurveyz]

I'll say this. You can fake a lot of shyt in the industry but one thing you can't fake is touring and ticket sales.


I'll just say this

That's $5.22 grossed per show. Nobody named in this thread has came close to that.

Jackson would have earned an extra $100 million more than Bey's box office if he lived and completed the This Is It tour averaging $8 million a show.

 

[Taadow]

Like Jackson, she emerged from an uber-successful group in Destiny’s Child, had to establish her own voice and as an artist and had to assume control of her career from a controlling father. Both became standard-bearers for artists in the age of music video; Michael at the dawn of the artform and Bey as the medium was in desperate need of reinvigorating. Their collaborators run the gamut from chart-topping contemporaries to venerated legends; they’ve worked with the defining producers of their respective times. They both even have similarly gifted little sisters.

They got to be kidding me with this bullchit...what reaches...

Beyoncé has command of a generation’s gaze at a time when it seems like we don’t make these kinds of megastars anymore. And with the command of attention has come a clear commitment to showcasing the art and culture of Black people -- southern Black women, specifically -- in a way that forces the masses to see what was previously obscured or downplayed. Beyoncé is certainly not the first Black pop superstar to present Black culture on the mainstream stage, but for her to do so with such vigor at the height of her popularity and during a time of great cultural fission isn’t incidental.

Ah, so Beyonce gets this love because she's Harriet Tubman. Sheesh...

...but yeah, I agree it "isn't incidental" quite the opposite. It's "contrived".

At his commercial zenith, Michael Jackson gave platform to famed South African vocal group Ladysmith Black Mambazo and dropped an all-Black music video set in ancient Egypt on MTV. But by the time the King of Pop released the scathing “They Don’t Care About Us” in spring 1996, his image and popularity had taken a hit in the U.S., following 1993 child molestation allegations. But Beyoncé’s presentation of powerfully Black feminist imagery on Lemonade not only occurred as America was grappling with issues surrounding racism and misogyny; it occurred while she was still at the epicenter of popular culture.

America has always been "grappling with issues surrounding racism and misogyny", so this assertion holds no weight seeing as how anybody who was at "the epicenter of popular culture" and released music meets this claim - Michael Jackson included. The difference in this case is - WHENEVER Michael Jackson released music he became the epicenter of popular culture. A Michael Jackson release was an EVENT.

There hasn’t been a megastar who so deftly navigated -- and so creatively maximized -- this position before. We’re witnessing a Black woman wielding the kind of far-reaching cultural influence that Black women in music were previously denied in various ways. Despite a career of tremendous popularity, influence and longevity, Janet Jackson was never recognized in her own heyday as the upper echelon pop innovator she is -- often presented in a deferential light to her famous brother or Prince or Madonna.

This is the LeBron argument. Just because LeBron is dominant in his era doesn't mean he would dominate all eras.
Beyonce is LeBron.

Whitney Houston = Micheal Jordan

When Beyoncé took the stage at Coachella, armed with all-Black backup dancers and singers, an HBCU marching band and references to everything from Fela Kuti to Juvenile’s “Back That Azz Up” to Black step shows, she took yet another opportunity to put specifically Black culture front-and-center in a space that isn’t known for centering Blackness. “Coachella, thank you for allowing me to be the first black woman to headline,” Bey pointedly acknowledged mid-performance. “Ain’t that ‘bout a bytch?”

This paragraph alludes to a thought I had: the highlights of Bey's Coachella performace everyone seems to love are the ones that AREN'T HER SONGS. Hmm.




So basically, naw.

 

[Big Boss]

Beyonce albums rarely sell well for someone of her supposed popularity.

Its free to leave a bee emoji under a comment in the shaderoom instagram

Actual spending $10 on her album — they aint doing that

That's a good point


With her fanbase she should at least have 1 diamond album

 

[Kerkum]

Her stans like to pretend that Lemonade is this generation’s Thriller.

Lemonade isn’t even this generation’s Control. Lol

Lemonade ain’t even juxtaposed to one of Janet’s albums executive produced by Jermaine Dupri. With little vocal talent Janet can do things with her voice that the average vocal powerhouse can’t.

 

[Ziggiy]

Its not a slight to Beyonce or any other performer to simply say that N O B O D Y is E V E R touching MJ when it comes to being a muiscal icon.


This muthafukka had more raw talent when he was ELEVEN YEARS OLD than people twice his age. Sammy Davis Jr and Jackie Wilson said that Michael was the GOAT when they saw him as a kid. And these are two WORLD CLASS performers. This kid had Motown song writers in tears when he sang Never Can Say Goodbye and he didnt even know the meaning of the word “Anguish”.


There is only one musician who ever lived who could even faintly hang with MJ and that was Prince.


Beyonce is a cold sista. And shes the BEST of our generation bar none.

But Michael Joseph Jackson is the GOAT. Past, present, and future

 

[Kerkum]

Just an attempt to put a woman over the King........we live in a feminine/gay world....and they will attempt to push that shyt however which way they can....the gays love Beyonce as well so I'm not surprised by any of these articles that come out....

Why do nikkas think that the weirdo public figure gays that whites prop up are somehow representative of the everyday gay dude.

 

[Kerkum]

Beyonce's solo career is trash. You have to be mentally ill to compare her catalog to Madonna or Janet much less Michael fukking Jackson. This bytch has like 6 good songs outside of Destiny's Child.

Exactly. Beyoncé, while a great entertainer, is not an albums artist. It wasn’t until Lemonade that she actually put together a cohesive effort that had a central (albeit weak) theme. It was a clumsy ripoff of Janet’s rn1814 album....You can’t play any of B’s albums front to back, too many filler tracks.

 

[J-Fire]

Beyonce had her chance 2003-2010. Before twitter had influence and before instagram existed.

She can't be getting out sold by her peers in Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Adele. You need the album sales crown.

Fresh out of rehab Emancipation of mimi went 6x (as a dude I coped it)....B'day went 3X! That can't happen!

 

[J-Fire]

Beyonce had her chance 2003-2010. Before twitter had influence and before instagram existed.

She can't be getting out sold by her peers in Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Adele. You need the album sales crown.

Fresh out of rehab Emancipation of mimi went 6x (as a dude I coped it)....B'day went 3X! That can't happen!

She also shouldn't have let Lady Gaga have her run. Lady Gaga came out of nowhere and caught the people's attention performance wise and topic wise.

Beyonce just can't dominate at any point in time. And I'm mostly comparing her to females. Usher and Timberlake where on another stratosphere 2002-2010 and that can't happen when you (beyonce) suppose to be #1 pop artist, lol.

 

[Standing on business]

She also shouldn't have let Lady Gaga have her run. Lady Gaga came out of nowhere and caught the people's attention performance wise and topic wise.

Beyonce just can't dominate at any point in time. And I'm mostly comparing her to females. Usher and Timberlake where on another stratosphere 2002-2010 and that can't happen when you suppose to be #1 pop artist, lol.

She's r&b, funny they all started around the same time but only one is still here, lol.

Beyonce had her chance 2003-2010. Before twitter had influence and before instagram existed.

She can't be getting out sold by her peers in Taylor Swift, Rihanna, and Adele. You need the album sales crown.

Fresh out of rehab Emancipation of mimi went 6x (as a dude I coped it)....B'day went 3X! That can't happen!

History remember greats at their peak not year by year, Beyoncé is now so you're trying to nit pick why she's not a great. It's funny though that sales by year is your whole argument. Outside of thriller mike got outsold by another artist each year he dropped an album



1979 (off the wall) Billy Joel was the highest seller
1987 (bad) Bon Jovi highest seller
1991 (dangerous) Mariah Carey was the highest seller
1995 (history) Hootie and the blowfish was the highest seller
2001 (invincible) Linkin Park was the highest seller


Do you look at each year and say man mike ain't the king cause before and after thriller he got outsold by artist that came and went? Look at you're example with Mariah and Beyoncé, Mariah also outsold dangerous, so using your own talking points you're also putting Michael down.