Why cant black men work together?

[Tommy Knocks]

So the Mafia and the anicent Chinese warlords and statecrafters werent apex predators? You do know we are humans beings and not animals right?

human beings are animals fyi. mammals to be exact. and I was using an analogy btw.

chinese mafia are predators, but more like resident killer whales as opposed to transients, thats why I used that analogy.....

read the link carefully, dwell on it, I think the theory is actually a pretty good one...

 

[feelosofer]

Black wall st would like to have a word with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_(Tulsa)

So you're going to use a 94 year-old phenomenon in a small town to counter my point. By and large we have not shown that we can work together as a group to achieve anything that was the exception not the rule, and we have much more spending power now then back then. Fact of the matter is, we think the White man's grass is greener, has colder ice, and we believe our own stereotypes.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Because as African-Americans we have trouble playing the long game. We never figured out that we can maintain a long standing wealth and economy by pooling our resources. Could you imagine of a bunch of sistas put their minds together and took over the beauty game, (weaves, wigs, hair products). Could you imagine if all the Black media moguls rose up and started one super station. But instead we would rather be the one eyed man in the land of the blind. Crabs in a barrel brehs.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you

I can show you community after community of black people building wealth and economies by pooling their resources together

Then I can show you how through outright violence and public policy those communities were destroyed.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

So you're going to use a 94 year-old phenomenon in a small town to counter my point. By and large we have not shown that we can work together as a group to achieve anything that was the exception not the rule, and we have much more spending power now then back then. Fact of the matter is, we think the White man's grass is greener, has colder ice, and we believe our own stereotypes.

 

[feelosofer]

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you

I can show you community after community of black people building wealth and economies by pooling their resources together

Then I can show you how through outright violence and public policy those communities were destroyed.

I'm talking primarily about the post civil-rights era when no one is going to destroy our community, why not now, is my point. Quite frankly everyone talks about Black Wall Street, but once we had the ability to shop in the white man's stores (or other groups) we folded. They got attacked and killed multiple times and rebuilt but the story essentially ends with integration causing the well off middle class blacks to put their money elsewhere or leave the area. I'm not saying we have never worked together ever in history but I'm saying now, with none of these things holding us back, why haven't we come together to carve out our niche in the economy.

 

[Drones]

When I drive through South Central LA, looking at all the gang strikes on the walls I often wonder why this is as well. On the Eastside, you have a huge black gang called ECC that wars with a huge Mexican gang called F13.

Even though many of these F13 gang members are racist as all hell against blacks, some of the other black gangs on the Eastside would rather war with ECC than F13. It's like...don't you get it? After F13 is done with ECC, they're going to go after the other black gangs as well.

It seems like we are hypnotized by this strange sense of tribalism to where we would rather side with those that hate us than those that look like us. The self-hate we carry as a legacy of slavery has been instrumental in keeping us in a state of suspended animation, making everyone else rich while we fight each other over the scraps.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Italians tend to be more family oriented than Black people.

 

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When I drive through South Central LA, looking at all the gang strikes on the walls I often wonder why this is as well. On the Eastside, you have a huge black gang called ECC that wars with a huge Mexican gang called F13.

Even though many of these F13 gang members are racist as all hell against blacks, some of the other black gangs on the Eastside would rather war with ECC than F13. It's like...don't you get it? After F13 is done with ECC, they're going to go after the other black gangs as well.

It seems like we are hypnotized by this strange sense of tribalism to where we would rather side with those that hate us than those that look like us. The self-hate we carry as a legacy of slavery has been instrumental in keeping us in a state of suspended animation, making everyone else rich while we fight each other over the scraps.

Brothers not using there potential. What would open black peoples eyes to this?

 

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Italians, Asians Latinos infact ALL our rivals and enemies tend to be more family oriented than Black people.

FIXED.

 

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I'm talking primarily about the post civil-rights era when no one is going to destroy our community, why not now, is my point. Quite frankly everyone talks about Black Wall Street, but once we had the ability to shop in the white man's stores (or other groups) we folded. They got attacked and killed multiple times and rebuilt but the story essentially ends with integration causing the well off middle class blacks to put their money elsewhere or leave the area. I'm not saying we have never worked together ever in history but I'm saying now, with none of these things holding us back, why haven't we come together to carve out our niche in the economy.

The give you another senario:

Imma business man and your a business man. Rivals through and through. But we have an agenda; we want to wrestle control of a said industry from another ethnic group.
Wouldnt it be smart to put our differences aside recruit more some more blacks in our industry and related industries and plan a takeover?

 

[↓R↑LYB]

I'm talking primarily about the post civil-rights era when no one is going to destroy our community, why not now, is my point.

Like I keep saying, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

• Redlining (which literally created black ghettos) was a practice that lasted until the 1990's. It destroyed black communities and is the reason why so many schools in black neighborhoods are underfunded.
• The USDA discriminated against black farmers (a practice that lasted until the 1990's) causing them to lose millions of acres of land.
• Birmingham, AL literally had an interstate ran right through the center of a middle class black city.
• The CIA (during the Iran Contra conflict) flooded black neighborhoods with crack cocaine in the 80's
• In the late 80's the government passed sentencing laws that created a 100:1 disparity between crack and cocaine
• In the 90's Clinton signed a bill that created mandatory sentencing standards
• And most recently the DOJ released the Ferguson report that showed so much corruption and discrimination in Ferguson it's disgusting

I can go on and on breh. They don't have to destroy our communities by burning it down anymore. They can destroy our communities by rezoning and redistributing the resources. All happened way after the Civil Rights Movement ended and it's still going on today.

Quite frankly everyone talks about Black Wall Street, but once we had the ability to shop in the white man's stores (or other groups) we folded. They got attacked and killed multiple times and rebuilt but the story essentially ends with integration causing the well off middle class blacks to put their money elsewhere or leave the area. I'm not saying we have never worked together ever in history but I'm saying now, with none of these holding us back, why haven't we come together to carve out our niche in the economy.

But that's exactly what you said breh

Because as African-Americans we have trouble playing the long game. We never figured out that we can maintain a long standing wealth and economy by pooling our resources. Could you imagine of a bunch of sistas put their minds together and took over the beauty game, (weaves, wigs, hair products). Could you imagine if all the Black media moguls rose up and started one super station. But instead we would rather be the one eyed man in the land of the blind. Crabs in a barrel brehs.

You never mentioned integration or white aggression. Instead you said the problem is we're just all crabs in a bucket.

 

[Drones]

The give you another senario:

Imma business man and your a business man. Rivals through and through. But we have an agenda; we want to wrestle control of a said industry from another ethnic group.
Wouldnt it be smart to put our differences aside recruit more some more blacks in our industry and related industries and plan a takeover?

I think part of the problem is that we are of the mentality that there can be only be one of us in any given industry space. If you go into almost any corporate environment, there's one or two black people there and they are fiercely protective of their spot as the company Negro. We don't want any other blacks coming in because we think that another black will take our spot.

So to your question, yes, we should absolutely link up and take over in that situation. But we rarely have enough trust of each other to do these kinds of coordinated attacks; we think that this other black person is going to betray us or even worse, bring in new blacks that will take our spot. We're just as distrustful of each other as white supremacists are because that's they way they've programmed us to be.

Now I do think we can overcome this, don't get it twisted...just offering my perspective on the topic as to why it doesn't happen in the here and now.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

So you're going to use a 94 year-old phenomenon in a small town to counter my point. By and large we have not shown that we can work together as a group to achieve anything that was the exception not the rule, and we have much more spending power now then back then. Fact of the matter is, we think the White man's grass is greener, has colder ice, and we believe our own stereotypes.

thats one example, but there's loads, watts, lil sieonne in ny, the list goes on and on. the problem is at the time we had outside entities very very jealous of our situation (we were the most skilled after the civil war, their unemployment was extremely high), my only blame is that we didn't counter it properly. standing out like sore thumb also doesnt help (unlike the jews)

your last line about believing our own stereotype is very true tho.

 

[feelosofer]

thats one example, but there's loads, watts, lil sieonne in ny, the list goes on and on. the problem is at the time we had outside entities very very jealous of our situation (we were the most skilled after the civil war, their unemployment was extremely high), my only blame is that we didn't counter it properly. standing out like sore thumb also doesnt help (unlike the jews)

your last line about believing our own stereotype is very true tho.

I feel you, Watts was on the comeup but when those industrial/manufacturing jobs left, there was no real way to bring them back, and crack hit before they could adjust. I'm saying now we have 30 years space from when crack hit, and there are at least open windows in finance, engineering, technology and medicine. All of us aren't going to reach the top but all we need to do is raise the floor little by little. I try to do that in my business and my philanthropic pursuits. It's not easy at times and it has cost me lots of money over the years, but I try to teach my kids to hate no man but also realize that the world is a cold place and no one going to do you any favors. So move up as far as you can and elevate others when ever possible that's what builds a legacy.

 

[Kuro]

So Im thinking about the seen in the Godfather where Berzini and Vito came together to talk about pushing drugs in the black community EVEN AFTER Barzini killed Vito's son Sonny.

They were able to sit down and talk business even while being at war with each other.

Then Im thinking about the Wire when Avon couldnt see the wisdom of the CO-OP the that Prospect Joe and Stringer were trying to setup. He rather go to war and attract all types of bad attention.

Not to get into the camparison of fictional series but in real life why do you think black men tend to not be able organized and working things out in a civilized like men like Whites or Asians? Why do we have tendency to be so short sighted? Why do we lack the machiaviellian vision of East Asians and Europeans?


Thoughts?

not only did you refer to 2 white men as civilized because they agreed to push dope to black people after one killed the other one son..but suggested these are the type of people black people should be like...that is ass backward...black people mimicking the behaviors of their oppressors is one of the main sources of black problems...say black people should cooperate [if that is what you truly feel] and leave it at that...black people copying the mafia or whites and asians isnt likely to bring any positive change to black lives...