Why Breaking Bad had to end the way it did (SPOILERS)

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I did not post this in the "How would you end breaking bad" thread because I wouldn't change how it ended, just a small detail that I explain down below.

Make sure you realize that there are some major story points being told in here. If you have not watched the whole series then it might be best to save this thread and revisit it later. This is MY take on Breaking Bad and I would like to have a healthy conversation about this show.

Alright, so Jesse lives. There are some people who are upset about the “predictability” of the show, but I think this is the only way Breaking Bad could have ended and here is why.

Jesse – Jesse was saved because he was the only one that could be “saved” he was the only character in the show who had any emotion left in him. Was he a flawed character? Yeah he was, but it’s also a shot by the writers to reward that humanity and that raw emotion Pinkman had. I hold him ultimately responsible for the way the last 4 episodes play out, but I think that was the point in it all. Jesse was not a robot for the money, the job, the lifestyle. He was a kid who didn’t know what he wanted to do with his life and in the finale they showed a glimpse of where he could see himself in the future if he ever got away from the Nazis.

The Nazis – Some people are wondering why the Nazis would not search Walt’s car upon entering the house. If anyone remembers “Ozymandias” Uncle Jack asked “What does that fancy phone of yours say” about the location when they were trying to find Walt’s money. Now granted, one might say that they went through the effort of searching Walt all over and even check for wires, but in their eyes a car sitting outside does not pose a threat to them? If Walt would have had a weapon on him it might have raised some suspicion, but he was clean. Is it a little messy? Yeah, but still a believable scenario IMO. Plus like @GoldenGlove pointed out, they didn't even check for Jesse under the car in the desert after that shootout they had with Hank and Gomie.

Hank – I know some won’t agree with this, but I think Hank was just as bad as Walt in terms of dedication to his job/craft. Family was an afterthought as long as the job gets done. The split in Walt’s family was an afterthought for him as he wanted to make sure he was able to catch “Heisenberg”. He was willing to sacrifice Jesse in Rabid Dog just to have it on “Video Tape” if Walt did decide to kill Jesse right in the meeting place they had set up. He was greedy and wanted the credit, why not let the DEA know that he has Walt "Dead to Rights" well I tell you why, because he probably wanted to prove everyone that was doubting him wrong and in the end it cost him his life.

Todd – Todd getting killed by Jesse was the only way this could have worked. It had to be a personal killing and glad it was done by hand. Todd was clueless and at the end when he looked out the window proved how out of touch the kid was with reality, his whole crew got killed and was absolutely amazed at what “Mr White” was able to pull off.

Lydia – Was a stone cold killer and ruthless business woman who is just about the numbers and time commitments. She did not buy Walt’s story about the new cooking method and did not care that Jesse was basically a slave to the Nazis cooking up batch after batch. She called Todd right after to see if the job was done. Mike was right about her all along.

Marie, Skyler, and Flynn – In the end I think Skyler is relieved that she doesn’t have that weight of Walt doing all of this for the family (even though he really did at first). Marie was just as lost as Hank IMO and even in the final conversation we hear, she takes great pleasure in thinking that she knows how the DEA would catch Walt over anything else. I let her slide a little more than Hank because she is legitimately concerned about Skyler, Flynn, and Holly, but the way she acted these final episodes was a bit much. It gives reasoning as to how Marie and Hank would be married...they are from the same mold.

About Flynn? All I have to say is :ufdup:, I hope you don’t get a single dollar of that money and have to work hard for every bowl of cheerios you eat after your 18th birthday.

There is one problem I have with the show and IMO Brock had to die for all of this to be justified, in the end Jesse is all upset about the possibility of Brock dying. Does he have a right to be upset about what Walt did? Sure, but it would have added much more weight if the kid died to give the ride to the finish more substance. At the end of the day the entire chain of events started because a kid got sick, if it would have been that the kid died? Man that would have been terrible, but I would be able to understand Jesse’s actions. It brings me back to the flawed character argument and that is probably why he had to live.

I think they played Declan in the show as well. This dude is supposed to be the competition to Gus/Walt and gets killed off just like that? It gives the Nazis more weight, but I still hold the belief that if this guy is able to string up the kind of cash for 1,000 gallons of methylamine that he would have a bit more power than THAT. Dude went out like a bum. Tuco was tougher to dispose.

What happened to Huell? Probably irrelevant, but it would have been nice to see one last shot of him either leaving the house or dead in there somehow. I know it would have been impossible for anyone else to get to him since Hank and Gomie are dead, but whatever.

Despite those 2 beefs I have with the final 8, this is probably my favorite show of all time. I can’t recall a “bad” episode in the entire 62 episode run.

I would love to hear some responses because I have never spent this much time watching a show. I must have watched every episode at least 5 times.
 

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They should have checked the trunk. I mean he scoped the rest of the car but not the trunk. :manny:
 

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They should have checked the trunk. I mean he scoped the rest of the car but not the trunk. :manny:
I guess you can hold on to that, but it could have been a point of "Where is he going after he gets in anyway" type of thing. Like I stated before, Uncle Jack and his crew weren't the most high tech bunch out there. The keychain could have easily been dismissed as a remote device to lock/start the car.

They really thought they had dude as long as he wasn't wired or had a bomb strapped to himself.
 

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Why did the Nazi that was in the car specifically tell him where to park and how to park his vehicle ....only to be completely disobeyed by Walt? Why would they be okay with him doing that?

Why would they let that slide?

They watched Jesse's confessions tape. They knew what he was capable of as far as his surprise attacks.

Why would the writers even feel the need to have the Nazi say anything to Walt in regards to parking in the first place if Walt was going to park it his way anyway for the set up and no one would question it.
 

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I agree with almost everything you said especially about Hank and Marie. Although I disliked Marie's character more than Hank. For one she was a hypocrite , she was willing to let Skylar go to jail over that gift she stole and wouldn't apologize at 1st. How are you a booster and going to judge Walt for cooking meth, :heh: what are you a more righteous criminal :rudy: plus don't forget she was willing to let Skylar take the fall with Walt at 1st before they blackmailed them with that tape. :pacspit: Marie

As for Hank he was just as bad as Walt, no if ands or buts about it. Walt didn't want Hank to get killed in “Ozymandias” and was willing to turn himself in rather than what went down. The same can't be said for Hank he wasn't willing to cut Walt any breaks or even hear his side of the events same as Marie. You also can't forget the case was closed by his superiors and 90% of the tactics he used to try and catch Heinsenberg were illegal, plus whooping Walt's ass in "Blood Money" and Jesse's in season 3 being over zealous.

And Skylar I think the last ep showed that even through all that went down she still cared for Walt and really loved him. She could have ratted him out when she was on the phone with Marie and not given him the 5mins he wanted for closure. Plus you could see how she still felt for him when he saw Holly for the last time. As much of a scumbag that Skylar seemed throughout the series she did actually care for Walt but protecting her kids was 1st priority.
 

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On point but I still disagree with this Jesse had emotion and he should have lived b.s

Jesse should have died just for being ungrateful he literally owed his life to Walt a couple of seasons ago and has been nothing but a crying whining baby who couldn't control his impulses

Or we going to forget this is the same dude who schemed up selling meth at a rehab meeting???

The passes he gets are crazy
 

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I did not post this in the "How would you end breaking bad" thread because I wouldn't change how it ended, just a small detail that I explain down below.

Make sure you realize that there are some major story points being told in here. If you have not watched the whole series then it might be best to save this thread and revisit it later. This is MY take on Breaking Bad and I would like to have a healthy conversation about this show.

Alright, so Jesse lives. There are some people who are upset about the “predictability” of the show, but I think this is the only way Breaking Bad could have ended and here is why.

Jesse – Jesse was saved because he was the only one that could be “saved” he was the only character in the show who had any emotion left in him. Was he a flawed character? Yeah he was, but it’s also a shot by the writers to reward that humanity and that raw emotion Pinkman had. I hold him ultimately responsible for the way the last 4 episodes play out, but I think that was the point in it all. Jesse was not a robot for the money, the job, the lifestyle. He was a kid who didn’t know what he wanted to do with his life and in the finale they showed a glimpse of where he could see himself in the future if he ever got away from the Nazis.

The Nazis – Some people are wondering why the Nazis would not search Walt’s car upon entering the house. If anyone remembers “Ozymandias” Uncle Jack asked “What does that fancy phone of yours say” about the location when they were trying to find Walt’s money. Now granted, one might say that they went through the effort of searching Walt all over and even check for wires, but in their eyes a car sitting outside does not pose a threat to them? If Walt would have had a weapon on him it might have raised some suspicion, but he was clean. Is it a little messy? Yeah, but still a believable scenario IMO.

Hank – I know some won’t agree with this, but I think Hank was just as bad as Walt in terms of dedication to his job/craft. Family was an afterthought as long as the job gets done. The split in Walt’s family was an afterthought for him as he wanted to make sure he was able to catch “Heisenberg”. He was willing to sacrifice Jesse in Rabid Dog just to have it on “Video Tape” if Walt did decide to kill Jesse right in the meeting place they had set up.

Todd – Todd getting killed by Jesse was the only way this could have worked. It had to be a personal killing and glad it was done by hand. Todd was clueless and at the end when he looked out the window proved how out of touch the kid was with reality, his whole crew got killed and was absolutely amazed at what “Mr White” was able to pull off.

Lydia – Was a stone cold killer and ruthless business woman who is just about the numbers and time commitments. She did not buy Walt’s story about the new cooking method and did not care that Jesse was basically a slave to the Nazis cooking up batch after batch. She called Todd right after to see if the job was done. Mike was right about her all along.

Marie, Skyler, and Flynn – In the end I think Skyler is relieved that she doesn’t have that weight of Walt doing all of this for the family (even though he really did at first). Marie was just as lost as Hank IMO and even in the final conversation we hear, she takes great pleasure in thinking that she knows how the DEA would catch Walt over anything else. I let her slide a little more than Hank because she is legitimately concerned about Skyler, Flynn, and Holly, but the way she acted these final episodes was a bit much. It gives reasoning as to how Marie and Hank would be married...they are from the same mold.

About Flynn? All I have to say is :ufdup:, I hope you don’t get a single dollar of that money and have to work hard for every bowl of cheerios you eat after your 18th birthday.

There is one problem I have with the show and IMO Brock had to die for all of this to be justified, in the end Jesse is all upset about the possibility of Brock dying. Does he have a right to be upset about what Walt did? Sure, but it would have added much more weight if the kid died to give the ride to the finish more substance. At the end of the day the entire chain of events started because a kid got sick, if it would have been that the kid died? Man that would have been terrible, but I would be able to understand Jesse’s actions. It brings me back to the flawed character argument and that is probably why he had to live.

I think they played Declan in the show as well. This dude is supposed to be the competition to Gus/Walt and gets killed off just like that? It gives the Nazis more weight, but I still hold the belief that if this guy is able to string up the kind of cash for 1,000 gallons of methylamine that he would have a bit more power than THAT. Dude went out like a bum. Tuco was tougher to dispose.

What happened to Huell? Probably irrelevant, but it would have been nice to see one last shot of him either leaving the house or dead in there somehow. I know it would have been impossible for anyone else to get to him since Hank and Gomie are dead, but whatever.

Despite those 2 beefs I have with the final 8, this is probably my favorite show of all time. I can’t recall a “bad” episode in the entire 62 episode run.

I would love to hear some responses because I have never spent this much time watching a show. I must have watched every episode at least 5 times.

Great synopsis and I agree with most of it, accept for some of your thoughts about Jesse and having the kid die and Flynn. Flynn was just a kid as well and while the whole angle of the show was to show Walt as a sympathetic bad guy, I don't hold Flynn's hatred towards him being at all unjust. Walt, while at many of times his actions were of somewhat sound reason, was still quite evil by that point in the show. To look at the the show from a realistic stand-point, I didn't put nearly as much stock as most of ya'll in the hate of his character or Skylar tbh.

Also, The Wire > BB. Both top 5 shows though.
 

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breh you'd be surprised at how so many people are mad about the "predictability" of how it ended.
It couldn't have gone many other ways. The story became a force unto its own momentum. Like Walt 's entire foray into meth, we were watching individuals all feeling the outcomes of a system bigger than any one of them - be it the 'meth' system or the aforementioned 'momentum' of quality story telling. Both the meth world - in terms of Walt's interactions with it - and the entire 62 episode narrative had an almost deus ex machina characteristic.
 

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On point but I still disagree with this Jesse had emotion and he should have lived b.s

Jesse should have died just for being ungrateful he literally owed his life to Walt a couple of seasons ago and has been nothing but a crying whining baby who couldn't control his impulses

Or we going to forget this is the same dude who schemed up selling meth at a rehab meeting???

The passes he gets are crazy

Yeah, I get what you saying there, but Jesse was one of the few characters that outright showed remorse for his actions and by the end, he definitely wasn't at all trying to be about that life anymore strictly for reasons of morality and guilt, unlike any other characters out there.
 

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Only complaint I have here is that it shoulda been 2 hrs, and jesse shoulda been in the finale more....other than that, most of the complaints seem to be nit picking.
 

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Yeah, I get what you saying there, but Jesse was one of the few characters that outright showed remorse for his actions and by the end, he definitely wasn't at all trying to be about that life anymore strictly for reasons of morality and guilt, unlike any other characters out there.


I see people keep saying that but there confusing being a punk with being remorseful, we also forget that in season one Jesse was the same dude who snitched to the young Mexicans and almost got Walter and himself killed in the van out in the dessert, not that has anything to do with my current point just wanted to bring it up

But Yea

Jesse couldn't live with HIS life choices that's very different than being remorseful, the only time I saw remorsefulness in his eyes was second to last episode when home girl got shot in the back of the head

I enjoyed his character, he represents what 99% of drug dealers really are
 

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I see people keep saying that but there confusing being a punk with being remorseful, we also forget that in season one Jesse was the same dude who snitched to the young Mexicans and almost got Walter and himself killed in the van out in the dessert, not that has anything to do with my current point just wanted to bring it up

But Yea

Jesse couldn't live with HIS life choices that's very different than being remorseful, the only time I saw remorsefulness in his eyes was second to last episode when home girl got shot in the back of the head

I enjoyed his character, he represents what 99% of drug dealers really are

Nah, he showed remorse ever since he saw the damage that the life was having on kids, let lone him killing Gail or his g/f OD-ing. Towards the end, you could see he wasn't even about greed or anything like everyone else was. He was just going thru the motions cuz he didn't know what else to do, but needed some reason to do whatever and was easily manipulated or used by those in actual power.
 
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