Why Black Feminists and Liberals Don't Care When Black Men Die

[Tribal Outkast]

"I think we need to understand the political economy of Black male death"
Yea we need to understand that people are really making a come up off this shyt and its disgusting.

This is so fukking true! So many stars have been born off the backs of Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, etc it's sickening! It's going to be interesting to see what these guys do when Trump gets in the house on Friday

 

[mastermind]

This the dumbest shyt I ever read. I thought he was joking at at first.

they hate women and are mentally ill

Either these cats are with down bottom women or conversing with down bottom women on line, or have limitd interactions with women.

Its disturbing. A lot of the guys saying these things are mentally ill.

 

[Noni]

You set up a fake straw man argument here. Disagreeing with black feminism doesn't equate to saying that black women are underserving of sociopolitical support from the black community.

Actually, you created a strawman that's implicitly changing my argument to agree with feminism. I never said "if you disagree with black feminism you disagree with black women getting sociopolitical support."

What I said was that some black men use crime statistics to justify not advocating black female victims.... at all. And it's a reasonable grievance that feminists and non-feminists have. Just because black men are victimized by the police more doesn't mean it's okay to ignore black female victims of police violence--- or any other form of racialized violence.

This is an outright lie. BLM is an not an example of black feminists supporting straight black males

I never said BLM ultimately supports straight black males, it's just that they THINK they do because they "talk" about the suffering of black men, and organize protests to keep their victimhood relevant in the news.

However, there's a big difference between simply giving black male suffering visibility, and "supporting" heterosexual black men in the bigger picture by identifying and attacking the cause of their suffering. Which of course, means attacking the black brute stereotype that's conflated with their heterosexuality. Which means acknowledging that black male heterosexuality ITSELF is pathologized.

They are not going to do this because of the cognitive dissonance it places on popular queer theory, which assumes heterosexuality is universally privileged. Because it THEN begs the question as to what race is the architect for mainstream queer theory, for such a lapse in cultural relativity to occur.

This doesn't even make sense. Explain how black women are bigger victims of this so called "professionalized violence" to the point that it would even out black men suffering more at the hands of police and in the judicial system as a whole?

I didn't say black female victimhood overshadows the suffering of black male police brutality victims. What I said is that the male to female victim ratio of racialized violence in general will look more equal when you account for professional violence. You have hundreds of thousands of victims living in areas like Flint, or living with toxic waste for example. Both men and women. So when you ADD those hundreds of thousands of victims to police brutality statistics, the victim ratio between the sexes will look a lot more even.

Police brutality is still a serious issue worth fighting against, but it puts a kink in the excuses people make to ignore black female victims due to black women being "privileged". So because people are too busy trying to justify their apathy towards black female victims, they miss an opportunity to help black men.

Combining White collar violence victims with police brutality victims does something very important for black men's benefit. It causes the disproportion of violent acts committed by White men to go up into the hundreds of thousands, which is a WAY bigger than the disproportion of violence amongst black males. This causes America to lose it's justification to stigmatize and overpolice Black men for being violent, when White males are way more violent than they are, yet convieniently ignored.

You just refuted your own argument. What you say in the bolded is why everything you say above the bolded is bullshyt. Yes, there are higher reports of rape and domestic violence in the black community, but that's true for both sexes.

I didn't "refute" my own argument, you simply created a false dichotomy. The presence of misandry doesn't illegitimize the presence misogyny that's expressed through sexual and domestic violence.

Rape and domestic violence shouldn't be painted as gender/sex issues because both genders/sexes are victims and victimizers.

No, it just means that rape and domestic violence is a sex and gender issue for both men and women. Perpetrators have attitudes towards gender/sex that often motivates how they select their victims. With sexual assault, women tend to think that men aren't emotionally damaged by women forcing themselves because men are "supposed" to be studs that sleeps with as many of them as possible. And if the victim is a child, the boy is often encouraged to look at it as a rite of passage. With girls, the sexual assault is about overpowering someone who is vulnerable because she is physically weaker and they know she can't fight back someone who is bigger and stronger.

Words like "misogyny" are used to shame, silence, and control black men. It's an empty white liberal term that doesn't mean a gotdamn thing at this point. It's used as a weapon against unapologetically straight black men. Any black man who isn't a black male feminist is painted as a misogynist. Misogyny is defined as the hatred of women, so what does that have to with colorism? Colorism is the inherent privilege for those who have lighter skin over those who have darker skin, which has nothing to do with hating women.

Yes it does. There is intersectionality between colorism and misogyny in the black community. That being that misogyny is the hatred of women, and colorism is the belief within the black community that darker skinned people are either inferior.

So when the two are combined, you get a hatred of darker skinned black women because of a belief that darker skinned people are inferior.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Interesting thread.