Why Black Feminists and Liberals Don't Care When Black Men Die
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Damn yall some lost ass negros on this site smh.
Sindicated
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So after everything i posted thats all you took away maybe try harder. And you cant tell me anything ive said so far has been false just because im blunt and dont sugarcoat shyt dont mean im wrong
Black Haven
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I never said you where wrong fam, it's just that particular quote resonated with me that's all
Sindicated
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Im surprised, that being said im not saying all but the "minority" makes it hard to look at the majority without side eyeing even tho its obvious its far more then a minority but nobody really wants to talk about it which is why the problem will fester until it becomes the majorityI never said you where wrong fam, it's just that particular quote resonated with me that's all
Black Haven
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The only advice I can offer you is to try your best to ignore it. If you keep thinking about and, frequenting those anti black male pages by certain black women, you're only going to stress yourself out or worse, develop dark thoughts towards black women as a whole. Reading that b.s. rhetoric online constantly can corrupt your psych, especially if you're a person who respect and care for black women like me. Trust me bruh just let it go.
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There technically are higher reports of rape in the black community. Most rapists are people of the same race because rapists tend to rape people they know or have proximity to. However, disregard for the value of black women in relativity to other women contributes to this culture. You will just be criticized for being dismissive by pretending that the black community doesn't have a misogyny problem (ex: colorism), or that violence and rape isn't an issue. In fact, we minimize the issue of black male rape. In many cases it's even harder to discuss black male sexual abuse than female. So Black feminists aren't technically wrong in saying that rape and violence are problems.
However, the reason why black men seem more "violent" compared to White men, is because White male violence is usually expressed through professionalism. The black community, feminist or not, has been conditioned to not even consider white men's passive aggressive pathologies as "violent", because it's...well, passive.
We accept White people's strict usage of crime statistics to compare how violent certain races are to one another. But keep in mind, slavery itself was not considered a "violent crime" centuries ago. Legality is a language of power. It is NOT an objective measure of ethical integrity. White liberals and conservatives complain about gun violence in Chicago, but don't perceive Flint Michigan, DAPL, etc. as White male "violence". If our crime statistics included every victim of professionalized racist violence, trust me, white male crime statistics would be way bigger than black men's. So what we need to do is redefine violence in a way that doesn't strictly consider crime statistics.
Black feminists do talk about the suffering of straight black males, and are more than willing to give visibility to straight black male victims. BLM is actually an example of how they did it. So that's not what the problem is. The problem is that black feminists do not acknowledge that the black brute trope is conflated with black male heterosexuality. So even if you are a gay black male, cops and law enforcement usually don't see that. What they see is the heterosexual "default", and that default is associated with hyper aggression. So basically: they don't want to discuss attacks on black heterosexuality, and do not want to address that heterosexuality in certain (non-White) groups of people is perceived as threatening or disgraceful.
I don't think black feminists argue otherwise. However, I think what they're upset about is when people use these statistics to justify how black women are "undeserving" of sociopolitical support from the black community. Even within the civil rights and black power movement, women have been reduced to competing with black men for visibility when it really shouldn't be a competition between the two. However, let's go back to what I said about how we need to stop using crime statistics as a measure of violence.
Yes, black men suffer violence at the hands of law enforcement more. But if you add the non-criminalized "professionalized" violence that both sexes experience, I'd say their oppression would look a lot more even.However, it works to black men's benefit to focus on crime statistics, even to their own detriment in the big picture, because it's a viable excuse to make themselves the face of civil rights movements-- historically to the exclusion of black women. That said, both black men and women have a lot to work on.
BodeineBrazy
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Black feminist are the right hand of white supremacy
Marching for the dealths by cop but quiet as a mouse when single mothers produce violent neighborhoods that kill the majority of the black community. Police aint killing brothers like they kill each other. And who is raisng em. A bunch of woman who are on welfare and section 8 so they dont need a man. They got big daddy goverment as a man. No fathers in the home because thr is no need. the cycle continues, single mothers raise. Black family dies. And the black woman has tossed us men away for goverment cheese and snack packs.
Thr is more men in jail for childsupport or dead from violence then killed by a cop.
Thanks for fighting for thr small precentage of dealths by cop by putting up go fund me accounts and marching and posting online for attention while never making any kind of change.
Black woman were giving the option to be without men and raise childern and it has ruined the community
This the dumbest shyt I ever read. I thought he was joking at at first.
Concerning VLoLence
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You are a black feminist that doesn't admit to being one.
Your post was dedicated to discrediting statistical evidence that invalidates perceived black male oppression in areas of rape and domestic violence.
The argument boiled down to why do black men rely on statistics to invalidate feminism when white men use them against black men for homicide and robbery .
Dirty secret is that black feminists also use those same stats to link together all forms of violence when appealing to the white power structure.
So they do ally themselves with the white power structure when it benefits them, and exploit stereotypes against the men.
I'm tired of ALL black men being blamed for the actions of a few, especially without the prerequisite data to support your claim (The engineer in me).
Homicide ≠ Rape but whites don't care, and that's what black feminists rely on.
Just because feminists make a few valid points here and there doesn't mean I agree with the overall movement. Did I not just explain how black feminists can't bring themselves to admit that male heterosexuality among certain races is oppressed/deemed threatening? How would that NOT be one of many deal breakers?
Acknowledging the disproportionate rate of black male on black female violence =/= denying that black men are victims of rape and domestic violence. In fact I explicitly said black male rape is under reported. Expressions of misogyny or violence towards women in the black community does not mean men don't for example, get raped. It's a false dichotomy when suggesting that the presence of those problems among men eliminates the presence of the aforementioned problems faced by women.
I wasn't making a statement that said all black men do anything simply because some do. So.... why would I give you prerequisite data to support a statement I never made?
I don't have problems with people using statistics to invalidate feminism. I have problems when black men narrowly focus on crime statistics to exclude black women from receiving advocacy from activists, or barring them from leadership positions because they're "more privileged". Firstly it's a false dichotomy: that leadership and advocacy groups cannot be shared by the sexes.
Secondly, we'd realize that the White community has an even BIGGER disproportion of violence than the black community if we'd stop making the only method of quantifying violence through arrest and crime data. Whites have the power to decide what's legal. So since violence and aggression against Blacks is legalized, it won't BE accounted for in arrest data or crime statistics. So of course it's going to "look" like black men--- black people in general are much more "violent" than their Whites counterparts.
But what if we accounted for the thousands of victims affected by Flint as violence statistics? Harming the citizens of flint was LEGAL, so it will never be integrated into the crime/arrest stats whites use to denigrate blacks. But, if we expand how we understand violence, we'll grasp that the white community has disproportionately more violence than any disproportions that exist within the black community. Which makes it unfounded and racist to stigmatize black men for "violence" compared to White men.
Unfortunately, what SOME black men have a problem with, is that a more expansive interpretation of violence means to admit black women--- feminist or not, aren't all that privileged and undeserving of resources. Meaning black women would have every right to run movements about state sanctioned violence, because they're about as likely as men to receive it.
Lastly, suggesting that heterosexual black men should just.... "take over" BLM infantilizes and emasculates the heterosexual black men. Primarily because they never built BLM. Rather than expecting the heterosexual black male to be independent and build his own movement, this would just encourage him to be dependent/complacent with being "mommied" and "daddied" by other people who give him things he didn't build.
AlainLocke
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This is ridiculous...
Black and Latino feminists threw a fit and made a petition when Obama made that bullshyt My Brother's Keeper initiative while women and girls had the Council of Women and Girls in the White House since his coming into office.
The White House Council on Women and Girls
On March 11, 2009, President Obama signed an Executive Order creating the White House Council on Women and Girls. In his remarks at the signing, the President underscored that the purpose of the Council is to ensure that each of the agencies in which they're charged takes into account the needs of women and girls in the policies they draft, the programs they create, the legislation they support and that the true purpose of our government is to ensure that in America, all things are still possible for all people.
1,000 women of color want women and girls included in ‘My Brother’s Keeper’
More than 1,000 women of color have signed a letter calling for gender equality in President Obama’s “My Brother’s Keeper” program, putting the White House on the defensive about its initiative aimed at improving the lives of at-risk boys and young men.
The problem is, any effort by any men to assert a male identity is seen as sexism and misogyny...
And the worst part in Black men's case...majority Black civil rights action or movement or anger is based off of our deaths at the hands of White people because we are the most targeted...
For Black feminists and LGBT to take that and then make a movement out of it and exclude heterosexual Black males from being the center of it...when we are the poster child of BLM is exploitation.
If Black feminists and LGBT wanna make a feminist and LGBT movement...that's cool...but leave heterosexual Black males out of it...don't use our deaths...don't use our injustice to further your gain...
You can theorize about gender and sexuality all you want...but leave Black men out of it...
Don't talk out both sides of your mouth...
Don't come in our face..."But we care about you Black man...we march when you die out in them streets" and then go tell liberal White folks and the World through your books and academic journals about how violent and manchild like Black males are...and then act brand new about why legislation is made to trap Black men in the system. Why cops and vigilantes have no problem killing Black males with impunity.
This thread is about Black feminists limiting the avenues of Black men to get help and organize due to their silly gender theory and their exploitation of Black male death.
The sad shyt is...Black females are more violent than their females of other races...if anything...Black males should be abstracting and theorizing Black females and their violence towards Black men. The level of Black male victims of Black female violence is abnormal. Yet, we don't talk about that.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mf.pdf
Among black marital partners, wives were just about as likely to kill their husbands as husbands were to kill their wives: 47% of the victims of a spouse were husbands and 53% were wives. Among white victims murdered by their spouse, wives were much less likely to be the killers: 38% of the victims were husbands and 62% were wives.
- “The rates of psychological, sexual, and physical dating violence perpetrated against Black men are unacceptably high. In fact, Rouse (1988) noted that when compared to White and Latino male undergraduates, “among dating students in this sample, the highest percentages for partner’s use of physical force and consequences experienced as a result were for Black men” (p. 318). Although researchers did not survey both members of the couple, an examination of gender differences revealed that Black women reported using more violence against boyfriends than Black men reported using against their girlfriends (Clark et al., 1994; DeMaris, 1990).”
We talk about toxic masculinity and Black hypermasculinity and all that BS.
And how you gonna categorize unjust violence without arrest and crime data?
Violence shouldn't be broaden...if someone beats you, rapes, kills you...that's violence...if it goes reported and goes to trial...it is counted...if the event is included in a police report...it is counted.
All this other stuff is just made up stuff to make it sound more complicated than it really is...
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Because to many, men are expendable. Think about it, I've heard diehard feminists talk about equality up until the draft gets brought up. Or why is it funny that a man gets his penis cut off however, it's unthinkable the other way around?
Your father did you a disservice then. You don't need black feminism to be a strong black woman. You don't need black feminism to empower yourself as a black person. Black feminism is nothing but divide and conquer. It's not about individual black feminists either. Black feminism as an ideology is c00n shyt. Your analogy doesn't even make sense by the way. "Masculinity" isn't a movement that men voluntarily join or associate themselves with. Black feminism is an ideology that some black women voluntarily subscribe to and this threads exposes black feminism as an ideology for what it is which is a tool of white supremacy. There are no "good" black feminists the same way that there aren't any "good" white supremacists. If you believe in black feminism then you're automatically part of the problem.
(I took out the parts of your post that I pretty much agreed on.)
You just refuted your own argument. What you say in the bolded is why everything you say above the bolded is bullshyt. Yes, there are higher reports of rape and domestic violence in the black community, but that's true for both sexes. Black women are statistically more likely to be victims of rape and domestic violence than other races of women............but so are black men in comparison to other races of men. Black women are victimizers at rates much higher than other races of women. Rape and domestic violence shouldn't be painted as gender/sex issues because both genders/sexes are victims and victimizers. Black feminists make those issues about gender/sex where the focus is all on black women victims and black male victimizers because they have an agenda to paint black men as victimizers. It's the exact same agenda that white racists have.
Words like "misogyny" are used to shame, silence, and control black men. It's an empty white liberal term that doesn't mean a gotdamn thing at this point. It's used as a weapon against unapologetically straight black men. Any black man who isn't a black male feminist is painted as a misogynist. Misogyny is defined as the hatred of women, so what does that have to with colorism? Colorism is the inherent privilege for those who have lighter skin over those who have darker skin, which has nothing to do with hating women. You liberals are used to being in echo chambers cosigning each other's bullshyt for so long that you don't realize how silly it is.
This is an outright lie. BLM is an not an example of black feminists supporting straight black males, it's an example of how they have resentment/hate for straight black men and are not above exploiting straight black men for their own interests. BLM simply exploits the deaths of straight black men at the hands of police to push a feminist/gay agenda. BLM has actually done more harm than good to the black community. It's been propped up by black feminists and white liberals as some pro-black organization when it's actually a tool of white supremacy.
You set up a fake straw man argument here. Disagreeing with black feminism doesn't equate to saying that black women are underserving of sociopolitical support from the black community. Black feminism and black feminists are so dishonest that it's a shame. Black feminism is propagated on the low that black women are bigger victims than black men because black men oppress black women. The crime and other stats are used to expose this lie.
This doesn't even make sense. Explain how black women are bigger victims of this so called "professionalized violence" to the point that it would even out black men suffering more at the hands of police and in the judicial system as a whole?
No, it's to the black feminists benefit to ignore facts to focus on feelings and emotion because they have an agenda to push. The stats are used to expose the lie that black feminism is built on which is that black men have privilege over black women. See, black feminists play the oppression-Olympics game until they encounter someone who actually knows what the real score is. The truth is that black men are the biggest targets of white supremacy. Black men are public enemy #1, always have been and always will be in a white male supremacist society. It's just common sense. Black feminists can't acknowledge that tho because it refutes their entire bullshyt ideology. It's really as simple as that.